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Red Cross Drinking ACLU Kool-Aide?
vanity | 10.28.05 | Mad Dawg

Posted on 10/28/2005 7:29:37 AM PDT by Mad Dawg

Is the Red Cross Drinking the ACLU Kool-Aide?

The Red Cross forbids announcing or posting announcements about rides to religious services in the community!

Excuse the Vanity post, please.

I just got back from spending a week at a Red Cross shelter in Monroe, Louisiana. The first thing to say is that, while it certainly isn’t perfect, what the Red Cross did there was quite impressive. It was a huge operation and at its peak it provided shelter, food, clothing, medical care, and many other services to a ‘resident” population of over 2,900. When I got there the resident count was under 400 and when I left it was under 100 as people moved out to other long-term accommodations.

I worked Safety and Security – a rent-a-cop without a badge or a gun. From my position near the front resident and guest entrance two Sundays ago I observed the following more than once: Someone comes in and asks for an announcement to be made over the public address system that a bus is waiting to pick up passengers for such-and-such a church. The guy at the information desk apologizes and says that new National Red Cross policy prohibits announcements about any religious services.

I also observed that several signs with information about service times at various churches were no longer posted. Further, though I had been told that in previous weeks a Roman Catholic Priest had come to the shelter to celebrate a mass in one of the smaller rooms of the huge 7.5 acre building, the Sunday I was there no priest came.

I asked the higher-ups about the policy and was told – hold onto your hats for this dazzling display of nonsense – that the Red Cross couldn’t allow advertising any particular religious services because then it would have to allow advertising for all religious services.

My suggestion that the organization change its name to “The Red Indeterminate Shape of No Particular Meaning” was not well received.


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KEYWORDS: aclu; christophobia; redcross; religion; society
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To: Mad Dawg; thompsonsjkc; odoso; animoveritas; mercygrace; Laissez-faire capitalist; bellevuesbest; ..

Moral Absolutes Ping.

Here's another one coming down the chute - the ACLU is bad, bad news, and the Red Cross seems to be joinging the dark side. During the hurricane threads there were some not so nice first hand experiences posted concerning the Red Cross.

The First Amendment apparently now means that all religious expression can only take place in closets, catacombs and caves.

Freepmail me if you want on/off this pinglist.


21 posted on 10/28/2005 8:29:30 AM PDT by little jeremiah
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To: Mad Dawg
I worked Safety and Security – a rent-a-cop without a badge or a gun.

Very brave. Monroe is a dump even without the refugees.

22 posted on 10/28/2005 8:32:47 AM PDT by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: Stegall Tx
Thanks, Stegall. I didn't take it personally.

A problem is this: Despite many faults, I don't know of another organization that could or did to what the RC was doing in Monroe. Shelter for 2900 people is pretty good. Showers, three meals a day and snacks, medical services, and so on? It's pretty amazing that it's done at all, and not surprising that it's not done as well as it could be if, well, if a Freeper were running it .....

But there sure was a strong hierarchical ethos, and a very strong sense that we should just drink the kool-aide and shut up.

A part of me wants to say, "Okay, no more blood donations, no more financial donations, and no more donations of my time to them." On the other hand, who else ran an operation that could compare with the hundreds of thousands of people served and millions upon millions of meals, and so on?

As far as the Scientologists and so forth are concerned: this was presented as a new policy brought into effect on 10/15 or 10/16. The week before, I was told, announcements were made and Mass celebrated. On Saturday 10/15 a volunteer was asked to put up a poster about a bus to a church. On Sunday, the poster, and all like it, were taken down. It could even be that the policy arose out of objections to the Scientologists .....

23 posted on 10/28/2005 8:33:09 AM PDT by Mad Dawg (Allahu Fubar! (with apologies to Sheik Yerbouty))
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To: Mad Dawg

Bad experiences here too with the Red Cross, but not just me. Both my grandfather of WW1 and father of WW2 had experiences with the Red Cross that turned them against it for the rest of their lives. Then here in the Atlanta area, they provided shoddy service during the Katrina experience and sometimes didnt even show up.

SA got my money too.


24 posted on 10/28/2005 8:37:32 AM PDT by armydawg1 (" America must win this war..." PVT Martin Treptow, KIA, WW1)
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To: Rodney King
Very brave. Monroe is a dump even without the refugees.

Thank you, but it wasn't really brave. We had National Guard troops and local police and deputies doing the heavy lifting. In fact I kind of wondered why I was there.

25 posted on 10/28/2005 8:37:35 AM PDT by Mad Dawg (Allahu Fubar! (with apologies to Sheik Yerbouty))
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To: Mad Dawg
I can see prohibiting actual services on site. But announcements of bus rides? Anybody else see anything wrong with this or have I just lost all perspective?

No, you haven't lost perspective. The Red Cross has. I see no problem even holding services on site. It is all voluntary. I also see no problem in announcing that a bus is here for ***** services. (You insert the name of the denomination/religious affiliation). I would have a problem if listening to, attending, or even paying attention to any service was a condition of receiving help.

The whole country had gone loony in their efforts to eradicate any reference to Christianity.

GE
26 posted on 10/28/2005 8:39:23 AM PDT by GrandEagle
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To: armydawg1

Give me the Salvation Army any day.


27 posted on 10/28/2005 8:40:19 AM PDT by GrandEagle
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To: TommyDale

The Red Cross is following the United Way's leadership in driving everyone away.
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Well if there was ever a better example-setter than the corrupt United Way, the Red Cross is headed down fast, as so will their contributions...just like the UW...


28 posted on 10/28/2005 8:41:49 AM PDT by EagleUSA
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To: gathersnomoss
Screw the Red Cross. They used millions in 9/11 donations to update their network. They will not get my money again.

That's worth saying again.

Screw the Red Cross. They used millions in 9/11 donations to update their network. They will not get my money again.

And again...

Screw the Red Cross. They used millions in 9/11 donations to update their network. They will not get my money again.

And again.

29 posted on 10/28/2005 8:43:36 AM PDT by Eagle Eye (There ought to be a law against excess legislation.)
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To: TommyDale
You may be right. The Post has an article about the Red Cross borrowing $340M to cover disaster aid costs.

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30 posted on 10/28/2005 8:53:55 AM PDT by rabidralph
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To: Mad Dawg

Another reason why I won't give a dime to RC.


31 posted on 10/28/2005 9:06:26 AM PDT by JZelle
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To: rabidralph
Until you've seen the newsies report on something you know about, you can't appreciate how important it is to take what you read with a LARGE grain of salt. But still it's an important article.

While I was at the Monroe LA Shelter we had a meeting to deal with the coming closing of the shelter and a few issues (like underage drinking by volunteer staff ...) But the meeting began with what sure felt like a canned group re-education seminar aabout how fabulous we all were and how many people we'd helped. I would have felt a little better about the group self-congratulation session if it hadn't already been made clear that I was just an ignorant foot-soldier whose main job was to do and think what I was told to do and think.

I really am very con flicted about the whole thing. And I'm REALLY upset with spending since last Saturday with my bags packed waiting for deployment to Florida only to be told today that I'm not needed and not going.

32 posted on 10/28/2005 9:14:10 AM PDT by Mad Dawg (Allahu Fubar! (with apologies to Sheik Yerbouty))
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To: KarlInOhio

Notice the Red Plus Sign is offensive enough to Muslims that they have to name their organization the Red Cresent. I agree with another poster, the Red Cross should change their symbol if they don't want to be perceived as a Christian-based charity. The International Red Cross is pretty darn biased against Christianity as well as the U.S.A. and the National is heading that way.


33 posted on 10/28/2005 9:27:50 AM PDT by TennesseeGirl
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To: TommyDale

Drove me away from their 'blood services' after being primary/major donor for about ten years - 500 needle sticks. Local decided to prohibit legal guns - including armed cops and my CCW - and ignored my protests. SCROOOM.


34 posted on 10/28/2005 9:37:47 AM PDT by dhuffman@awod.com (The conspiracy of ignorance masquerades as common sense.)
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Keep politics out
[International Red Cross Still Refuses to Recognize Israel Red Magen David]
Jerusalem Post | Feb. 11, 2004
Posted on 02/12/2004 6:54:13 AM PST by Alouette
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1076679/posts

Red Cross Nations Seek Emblem Resolution [Israel's Red Star of David]
AP | Sept. 13, 2005 | Uta Harnischfeger
Posted on 09/13/2005 11:03:35 AM PDT by Alouette
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1483668/posts

International Red Cross / Red Crescent
myself
Posted on 01/04/2005 5:27:51 PM PST by FR_addict
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1314049/posts


35 posted on 10/28/2005 9:59:44 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Down with Dhimmicrats! I last updated my FR profile on Sunday, August 14, 2005.)
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To: ark_girl
How did they get to that point? Bad leadership or involvement with our government along the way?

Yes.

36 posted on 10/29/2005 12:48:54 PM PDT by arthurus (Better to fight them over THERE than over HERE.)
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To: F-117A

And where did Switzerland...?


37 posted on 10/29/2005 12:49:49 PM PDT by arthurus (Better to fight them over THERE than over HERE.)
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