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LAT: Americans won't let Democrats lose Iraq
Los Angeles Times ^ | October 28, 2005 | DAVID GELERNTER

Posted on 10/28/2005 8:59:04 AM PDT by West Coast Conservative

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To: in hoc signo vinces
I believe this author was partially blown up by the Unabomber.

I guess it doesn't have any bearing on what he's written, but it's interesting.

21 posted on 10/28/2005 9:34:21 AM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: Cicero

I'm a subscriber. I think the Times is going through a very slow, probably very painful (for them), transition to a offering a little more balance on the editorial and news side. Some sections, like the Book Review and Calendar, are still filled with left wing bias.


22 posted on 10/28/2005 9:34:39 AM PDT by Califelephant (Liberals: "We've always been soft on criminals, but now we're soft on terrorists too.")
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To: EagleUSA

"Great idea for ALL THE LIBS in Congress. They all need a serious ATTITUDE ADJUSTMENT when it comes to America, our freedoms, and what it is like to commit treason."

If they went to those countries, they should have to live with the people who are under the heels of the dictators the liberals love. They would have sleep in their shacks and share their rotten and meager food.


23 posted on 10/28/2005 9:35:07 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (MSM pseudo reporters use "could, may, and might" when they are lying and spinning.)
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To: Califelephant

I expect they have to do it slowly, or they would risk losing all their liberal subscribers, too. That's one reason they got into this fix--following the liberal trend right out to the end of the limb they were sitting on.


24 posted on 10/28/2005 9:41:33 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: ncountylee

"Treason is as treason does."


25 posted on 10/28/2005 9:45:29 AM PDT by talleyman (My quantum mechanic is waiting on parts...)
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To: Califelephant

30 (or so) years ago the LA Times was conservative.


26 posted on 10/28/2005 9:48:34 AM PDT by ncountylee (Dead terrorists smell like victory)
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To: West Coast Conservative

How did this end up in LA Times? Is Gelernter a hacker?
Spectacular reading!


27 posted on 10/28/2005 9:49:49 AM PDT by EyeSpyHi (Really Commissioner Selig, I thought it was a healing balm....)
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To: Cicero
I'm not sure whether this is meant to be a token conservative article in the LAT, or whether it's a sign that they finally understand that their ideological agenda has been committing them to slow suicide and are starting to change course.

I don't think the MSM will change, but it doesn't matter, thanks to the internet, Bush, and this . Later on ...???
28 posted on 10/28/2005 9:53:40 AM PDT by caveat emptor
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To: Mr. Mojo; West Coast Conservative

The Killing Fields followed by the installation of Mr. Peanut as Prez was the high water mark of the Liberal Golden Age. A few years later, it all came tumbling down on top of them.


29 posted on 10/28/2005 10:27:28 AM PDT by Chi-townChief
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To: West Coast Conservative

Not only are Leahy's comments sheer, arrogant treason and demagoguery, they are flat out lies. We could win the insurgency with no problem except for the conditions that the leftists impose. If they would stop demanding protection for the terrorists and would allow the US to conduct a "scorched earth" policy in selected areas, the "insurgency" wouldn't be a problem. Unfortunately, there's probably a "rare" bug, fly or vermin in Iraq (aside from terrorists) that the leftists want protected.


30 posted on 10/28/2005 10:40:23 AM PDT by DustyMoment (FloriDUH - proud inventors of pregnant/hanging chads and judicide!!)
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To: Kerretarded
can someone please explain how someone can claim to be a Democrat/Republican?

Yes. It's much like the Democrat voters who are dead/alive.
31 posted on 10/28/2005 10:42:15 AM PDT by DustyMoment (FloriDUH - proud inventors of pregnant/hanging chads and judicide!!)
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To: RedEyeJack

"Otherwise, Leahy said, he will urge the Senate to choke off the war by refusing to fund it."

It is unbelievable that a U.S. Senator with any education and sense of history would say such a thing. To make it sound like such a course of action is not only acceptable but something he would promote is traitorous to the men and women who have born the burden.

If such a thing were to happen it would lead to unbelievable consequences."

Actually, this is exactly the strategy that the Dem controlled Senate pulled in the latter months of Vietnam as their dispute with LBJ over various policies grew more bitter. The consequences for the troops then are the same as they are today - more men will die while the armchair quarterbacks in Washington play these deadly political games.


32 posted on 10/28/2005 10:47:54 AM PDT by DustyMoment (FloriDUH - proud inventors of pregnant/hanging chads and judicide!!)
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To: Howlin; eddie willers; cajungirl; wirestripper; Southflanknorthpawsis; Peach; prairiebreeze; ...

Great article ping...


33 posted on 10/28/2005 10:57:25 AM PDT by Interesting Times (ABCNNBCBS -- yesterday's news.)
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To: Interesting Times; West Coast Conservative

Thank you very much for pinging me to this article.

WCC -- Thanks for posting it.

Gelertner sure hits the nail on the head.




34 posted on 10/28/2005 11:00:47 AM PDT by FairOpinion (CA Props: Vote for Reform: YES on 73-78, NO on 79 & 80, NO on Y)
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To: Interesting Times

Thanks for the ping!


35 posted on 10/28/2005 11:01:04 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Calpernia; SunkenCiv

This is a "MUST READ" article for everyone.


Galernter dares to say the painful truth, most people would rather ignor.

"Leahy's words lighted up a deep, dark secret that this nation would rather forget. Defeat in Vietnam was a catastrophe for the U.S., a body-slam to the nation's self-confidence. It was far worse for Southeast Asians, who were exiled, imprisoned, tortured and murdered by their vicious communist conquerors. But for left-wing Democrats it was a triumph. Forcing the mighty U.S. military to run away was the greatest victory they have ever known. That triumph broke a levee that sent a flood of left-wing ideas pounding across the U.S. landscape. "


36 posted on 10/28/2005 11:02:25 AM PDT by FairOpinion (CA Props: Vote for Reform: YES on 73-78, NO on 79 & 80, NO on Y)
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To: Grampa Dave
Roger that Dave ~ your ideas have my vote!

We and the Iraqi's are winning ~ the bad guys are losing ~ millions of Iraqi's turned out and voted successfully for a Constitutional Referendum!

Iraqi voters have ratified a new constitution by a margin of nearly 4 to 1!

Trolls, terrorists, democrat moonbat's, suicide bombers, and the mainstream media are sad ~ very sad!

Let The Good Times Roll!

37 posted on 10/28/2005 11:06:30 AM PDT by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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To: ncountylee

There are about 25 senators for whom I would not shed a single tear if they all died in a firey plane crash.


38 posted on 10/28/2005 11:12:34 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: West Coast Conservative; Grampa Dave; wagglebee
MANY OBSERVERS have noticed that Democrats of the left speak of Iraq as another Vietnam. Few have explained why: Because Democrats of the left want Iraq to be another Vietnam. Not that they took pleasure in Vietnamese suffering, but they rejoiced in the left-wing power surge that transformed the United States in the aftermath. Naturally, they hope to repeat that experience: to humiliate Republicans, moderate Democrats and the military by pinning the label "bloody failure" on another foreign war.

Astounding coming from the Leftists mouthpiece on the Leftist Coast.....

The first major sign that the control of the Left has been weakened out here....The referendum vote on Nov 8th could deliver another blow to their control....

39 posted on 10/28/2005 11:17:15 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (History is soon Forgotten,)
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To: dead

I thought this was an excellent article and am sending it as encouragement (LA TIMES!) to an Army Platoon Sergeant in Iraq who is training Iraqi Security Forces. I hadn't heard of the author before, so I looked up his bio. Here it is: http://www.g4tv.com/techtvvault/features/31289/David_Gelernters_Age_of_Elegant_Machines.html
I wouldn't be surprised if "unabomber" experience has had some affect on his outlook on life.


40 posted on 10/28/2005 11:18:10 AM PDT by bethtopaz ("You may not be interested in war, but war is interested in you," Trotsky (so be prepared!))
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