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Seton Hall demotes dean critical of Church's homosexuality stance
Newsday ^ | October 28, 2005 | Newsday

Posted on 10/29/2005 7:16:46 PM PDT by DBeers

Seton Hall demotes dean critical of church's homosexuality stance


October 28, 2005, 4:12 PM EDT

SOUTH ORANGE, N.J. --

A gay associate dean at Seton Hall University, a Roman Catholic institution, has been demoted after criticizing the church's position on homosexuality, according to published reports.

A letter written by W. King Mott, 44, who has been an associate dean at the school for three years, was published Oct. 19 in The Star-Ledger of Newark.

Mott, who is openly gay and said he lives with his partner, wrote in the letter that that the Catholic church is unfairly attacking gay men and making them scapegoats for the church's pedophile scandal.

The following day, the school's dean, Molly Smith, asked Mott to step down, saying he had confused his position with the university's by writing in his letter that he is an associate dean at the school, Mott and a university spokesman told The Star-Ledger for Friday newspapers.

Mott, who has been working at Seton Hall for the last seven years, said a university should be a place for free expression of ideas but said he holds no ill will toward Smith.

"She works for a Roman Catholic institution," Mott said. "If the church didn't have this position (against homosexuality) no dean would have to be so guarded on this issue."

A university spokesman, Tom White, said it was "inappropriate" for Mott to speak against the Catholic Church or its policies while identifying himself as part of Seton Hall's administration.

(Excerpt) Read more at newsday.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events; US: New Jersey
KEYWORDS: catholic; catholiccolleges; catholicschools; catholicuniversities; homosexualagenda; setonhall; setonhallu

1 posted on 10/29/2005 7:16:46 PM PDT by DBeers
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To: little jeremiah; DirtyHarryY2K
poing!

The Natural Laws Can Not Be Denied
- Resistance Is Futile!

2 posted on 10/29/2005 7:17:50 PM PDT by DBeers ()
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To: DBeers

Bravo - but he should not be allowed to be at a Catholic institution without a pledge to NOT participate in homosexual conduct since it is against the tenets of The Church.


3 posted on 10/29/2005 7:20:45 PM PDT by soltice
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To: DBeers

A hopeful sign. This doesn't happen very often.


4 posted on 10/29/2005 7:21:35 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Coleus

A surprise from Seton Hall.


5 posted on 10/29/2005 7:21:57 PM PDT by Cagey (Conservatism is a movement, not a political party.)
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To: DBeers; Coleus

Man, how things have changed in South Orange. Seton Hall was infamous as the place that allowed Playboy access to its coeds in the late 1980s.


6 posted on 10/29/2005 7:22:27 PM PDT by Clemenza (Gentlemen, Behold!)
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To: Clemenza
Things have changed there since the Dorm fire, Clemenza. They are still repairing an image problem.
7 posted on 10/29/2005 7:25:15 PM PDT by Cagey (Conservatism is a movement, not a political party.)
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To: DBeers
"She works for a Roman Catholic institution," Mott said. "If the church didn't have this position (against homosexuality) no dean would have to be so guarded on this issue."

You think! She hired you, probably knowing all about you, and you abused your position to push your views and betrayed her trust! Mott, you arrogant jerk!

8 posted on 10/29/2005 7:26:38 PM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: DBeers

Seton Hall also does recognize or support TRUTH Trust Respect and Unity at the Hall a gay straight alliance


9 posted on 10/29/2005 7:27:29 PM PDT by antihannityguy
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To: DBeers

This guy needs a smack upside the head. The pedophile scandals currently besieging the church are ALL MALE HOMOSEXUAL in nature.

In actual fact, he should be dismissed and excommunicated for his open and blatant flauting of church doctrine.

I'd say more, but I value remaining a member here.


10 posted on 10/29/2005 7:27:43 PM PDT by Don W (Stress is when you wake up screaming, and then you realize you haven't fallen asleep yet.)
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To: Don W
I'd say more, but I value remaining a member here.

Yes -one must not be drawn in to the evil one opposes.

Truth will win out...

11 posted on 10/29/2005 7:32:26 PM PDT by DBeers ()
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To: soltice

He cannot be an official in an serious Christian organisation.

Christ did not say, "Go and send Some More," afterall.

Happy to see Anglican Catholic and Roman Catholic finally taking a stance.


12 posted on 10/29/2005 7:32:56 PM PDT by MeanWestTexan (Many at FR would respond to Christ "Darn right, I'll cast the first stone!")
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To: antihannityguy
Seton Hall also does recognize or support TRUTH Trust Respect and Unity at the Hall a gay straight alliance

The acronym is really quite humorous as the organization it identifies objectivly promotes the opposite of truth...

13 posted on 10/29/2005 7:36:07 PM PDT by DBeers ()
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To: DBeers
Mott, who is openly gay and said he lives with his partner, wrote in the letter that that the Catholic church is unfairly attacking gay men and making them scapegoats for the church's pedophile scandal.

When nuns start acting like Mary Kay Letourneau and assaulting young men, then the church can make heterosexual women scapegoats . But right now the only pedophile scandal that it has is owing to worst kind of homosexual perverts. That ain't scapegoating that is just the truth of the matter.

14 posted on 10/29/2005 7:42:34 PM PDT by Biblebelter
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To: DBeers; 2ndMostConservativeBrdMember; afraidfortherepublic; Alas; al_c; american colleen; ...


15 posted on 10/29/2005 7:44:42 PM PDT by Coleus (Roe v. Wade and Endangered Species Act both passed in 1973, Murder Babies/save trees, birds, algae)
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To: DBeers

I don't understand why he wasn't fired.


16 posted on 10/29/2005 7:47:42 PM PDT by USArmySpouse
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Seton Hall demotes administrator who criticized church
An associate dean of Seton Hall University's College of Arts and Sciences was demoted by the Catholic school's administration after he wrote a letter to The Star-Ledger critical of the Roman Catholic Church's stance against homosexuality. The school's dean, Molly Smith, called Mott, who is openly gay
17 posted on 10/29/2005 7:49:20 PM PDT by Coleus (Roe v. Wade and Endangered Species Act both passed in 1973, Murder Babies/save trees, birds, algae)
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To: Coleus

This happened at Seton Hall?

I wonder if the devil himself feels a chill coming on?


18 posted on 10/29/2005 7:49:28 PM PDT by Incorrigible (If I lead, follow me; If I pause, push me; If I retreat, kill me.)
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To: RepublicanMensan
I don't understand why he wasn't fired.

It is a subjective call guided by the fact that he is human and merits dignity and respect in addition to the fact that he suffers the homosexual disorder. As an individual suffering the homosexual disorder and apparently also choosing to participate in homosexual activity he potentially incites, confusion, scandal and he merits just discrimination in several regards e.g. he can not hold positions that would necessarily be proximate to temptation he may encounter suffering the homosexual disorder, he can not teach etcetera.... Apparently moving him was adequate? If he continues to proclaim homosexuality 'normal' publicly and or on campus and or work to contravene Church teaching -his position would probably be reevaluated...

19 posted on 10/29/2005 8:00:09 PM PDT by DBeers ()
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To: Don W

He should have been fired just for being stupid and irrational. Gay pedophiles doing the damage.


20 posted on 10/29/2005 8:07:27 PM PDT by Mr. Rational (God gave me a brain and expects me to use it)
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To: DBeers

...and don't let the door hit you on the ass as you leave...


21 posted on 10/29/2005 8:14:18 PM PDT by kstewskis ("I don't know what I know, but I know that it's big..." Jerry Fletcher)
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To: antihannityguy; DBeers

Seton Hall also does recognize or support TRUTH Trust Respect and Unity at the Hall a gay straight alliance>>



I think Seton Hall was "against" the Gay Straight alliance
http://www.americasfuture.net/courtmonitor/2005/2005-8-02.html


22 posted on 10/29/2005 8:25:59 PM PDT by Coleus (Roe v. Wade and Endangered Species Act both passed in 1973, Murder Babies/save trees, birds, algae)
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To: Coleus

Oops my bad forgot the Not my bad


23 posted on 10/29/2005 8:32:22 PM PDT by antihannityguy
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To: DBeers

At my daughter's orientation the students were told the University doesn't care if they're gay or straight, they're expected to lead chaste lives on campus. The school now take morals and religion seriously. Quite a change from when I went there in 1974-1978.


24 posted on 10/29/2005 8:32:23 PM PDT by Dilbert56
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To: soltice
Can those who OPENLY practice stealing, lying, adultery, killing, drinking blood, worshiping Satan, or any other form of sin or evil be allowed to stay in a Catholic Church leadership position or role? Just incredible that gays are allowed to stay in the church.
25 posted on 10/29/2005 8:37:21 PM PDT by AmericaUnited
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To: DBeers

Why just demoted?

Doesn't make sense. Mott holds high office in a religious institution that believes homosexuality is a sin against God. You can be homosexual all day long as far as I'm concerned, really don't care, not my business. However, inserting of yourself into the leadership of a community that does not believe your way of life honors their God in hopes of corrupting the institution seems a little aweful.

Furthermore, what purpose does it serve the Catholic chuch to accept such a corrupting influence in its mix. Does the church believe they are simply situated with a sinner that deserves compassion?, are they blind to the deliberate and calculated work of the Gay community to change their fundamental belief system?

Am I the only person on earth that realizes two men or two women together can not procreate and are therefore in direct violation of the Law's of Nature I presume as many other do are derived from the hand of God?

It's one thing to be inclusive, it is entirely another to spring open the gates of the castle so that your enemy can waltz in and slaughter everything you hold dear.


26 posted on 10/29/2005 8:41:44 PM PDT by Eddie01 (I'm coming to the conclusion I'm really not smart enough to post here.)
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To: DBeers
Only demoted?
27 posted on 10/29/2005 8:43:44 PM PDT by fella (Political Correctness = Stuck On Stupid)
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To: DBeers

..and then the Devil rose up and spaketh:

"She works for a Roman Catholic institution,"
"If the church didn't have this position (against homosexuality) no believer would have to be so guarded on this issue."


28 posted on 10/29/2005 8:46:50 PM PDT by Eddie01 (I'm coming to the conclusion I'm really not smart enough to post here.)
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To: WildTurkey

How does this grab your gobbler?


29 posted on 10/29/2005 8:47:52 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (No wonder the Southern Baptist Church threw Greer out: Only one god per church! [Ann Coulter])
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To: EdReform; backhoe; Yehuda; Clint N. Suhks; saradippity; stage left; Yakboy; I_Love_My_Husband; ...

Homosexual Agenda Ping.

Good - kind of - news. At least the "out" homosexual is demoted. May more of his kindred find themselves in a similar situation. People who want to openly sin and change religious tenets to suit their proclivities need to find their own venues for sin, not pollute religions which are the bulwark against sin.

Freepmail me and DirtyHarryY2K if you want on/off this pinglist.


30 posted on 10/29/2005 8:50:23 PM PDT by little jeremiah
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To: HiTech RedNeck
How does this grab your gobbler?

Like the dude, this guy was not too smart and let his ranting get in the way of good sense.

31 posted on 10/29/2005 8:51:12 PM PDT by WildTurkey (True Creationism makes intelligent design actually seem intelligent)
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To: WildTurkey

Hey gobbler, this guy thought the church was too harsh.


32 posted on 10/29/2005 9:00:26 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (No wonder the Southern Baptist Church threw Greer out: Only one god per church! [Ann Coulter])
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Hey gobbler, this guy thought the church was too harsh.

Seems he has a lot in common with the dude. Both spoke "outside the church", both were associated with a Church university, and both thought the penalties too harsh. However, this guy implied he was speaking for the Church (everyone knows you don't make an affiliation to an organization known unless you speak consistent to the policies of that organization) and he was canned. He has no valid complaint.

34 posted on 10/29/2005 9:12:29 PM PDT by WildTurkey (True Creationism makes intelligent design actually seem intelligent)
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To: AmericaUnited
Just incredible that gays are allowed to stay in the church.

Consider the Catholic church a support and discussion group for reforming, repentant sinners. What the sin is doesn't matter.

BTW, having an inclination towards homosexuality, but remaining chase is not a sin but rather a triumph over the effects of original sin we all struggle with.

35 posted on 10/29/2005 9:25:56 PM PDT by Last Dakotan
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To: little jeremiah

Good, some trash has been removed from church controlled property and placed on the curb for removal to the nearest liberal dumping ground.


36 posted on 10/30/2005 7:17:40 AM PST by Grampa Dave (MSM pseudo reporters use "could, may, and might" when they are lying and spinning.)
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To: Last Dakotan; Grampa Dave

I agree 100% about reformed, repentent homosexuals. Homosexuals can change and there are thousands who have left the "gay" life.

But an active "proud" homosexual has no place in church, unless s/he stays quietly to listen, leaving the rainbow sash at home.


37 posted on 10/30/2005 7:54:21 AM PST by little jeremiah
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To: little jeremiah
People who want to openly sin and change religious tenets to suit their proclivities need to find their own venues for sin, not pollute religions which are the bulwark against sin.

Bump

38 posted on 10/30/2005 11:17:22 AM PST by tuesday afternoon
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To: DBeers
the scary part is that Seton Hall University trains most of the priests in the state of NJ, mostly in the Newark and Paterson dioceses. Seton Hall has been noted for honoring pro-abortion politicians, playing heavy metal music on its radio station, refusing to run a bike for life commercial on their radio station, allowed Janet Reno to speak and they knew about this professor for a long time and yet he still teaches.
 

39 posted on 10/30/2005 2:17:52 PM PST by Coleus (Roe v. Wade and Endangered Species Act both passed in 1973, Murder Babies/save trees, birds, algae)
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