Posted on 10/29/2005 7:35:16 PM PDT by takbodan
PYONGYANG, North Korea -- In the center of the North Korean capital floats a commissioned vessel of the U.S. Navy. The USS Pueblo, a spy ship captured by the North in 1968, is moored on a bank of the Daedong River. Despite quiet U.S. moves in recent years to secure its return, the vessel still functions as tourist attraction, trophy and symbol of anti-American struggle.
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Cannot be much plainer, we as in I and others.
Hell, everyone smiled.
You are still not being plain. Were you part of an 11 person group or eleven years old?
Re read posts abv.
I spent 8 years in the USN (including a year in Vietnam) and never heard that one before. The Captain is responsibile for the lives and welfare of his crew. They are not on suicide missions nor do we subscribe to the Code of Bushido.
The aircraft commander did an outstanding job of gaining control of the damaged aircraft and landing it safely. Do you know why the commander is no longer in the Navy?
http://www.rb-29.net/...start here with this url and read many others avail on google.
He is no longer in the Navy because he would automatically be an outcast. By the way he has become a politician and I think is running for senator or rep somewhere.
"Their devotion to duty is cheapened by those that "saved" themselves and their aircraft or ship."
You are a hard line Patriot - we are blessed by your attitude and service ... I on the other hand have passed thru that stage - right or wrong - to value life above all else.
An Arab diplomat some years ago summed it up something like this - Wars may only be fought by warriors over 45 and then only with their mothers permission.
I understand what it is to have mission first - USN - '61-'63 VietNam '66-'70.
Maybe I have mellowed to much with age.
What's your point?
An outcast? A politician? How do you know that? You appear to be talking through your hat.
"He is no longer in the Navy because he would automatically be an outcast. By the way he has become a politician and I think is running for senator or rep somewhere."
Hot Damn - With his cool under extrodinary circumstances - I would vote for him.
I understand what you mean as to the crew and especially the Officer in Charge (pilot) would have a bad effeciency report for losing the aircraft as to enemy forcing him down.
The military does not give second chances.
The military does not give second chances.
i.e., the sub grounding and no sea mount on the charts.....
but back to the Pueblo ...
The aircraft collided with a Chinese fighter plane. It had to make an emergency landing. Translation: It wasn't the pilot's fault and he had to use all of his strenghth as a former University of Nebraska football lineman to get the aircraft under control and land safely saving the lives of himself and the other 23 in the crew.
I had friends that died doing their job, doing it as they were told to do it.
My last contact with such people was while Clinton was in office. I was a guest at NSA in Washington, Fort Meade, when it was publicly acknowledged by the AF and NSA that one B-29 that was shot down during Korean thing by the Russians, had indeed been caught over Russia. They managed to get out over the ocean before going down.
They did not "save" themselves. Clinton authorized purple hearts and other medals for all. There was not a dry eye in the packed auditorium that day.
Sadly three of the crew members had no relatives to receive the tribute for which they died.
I know I am old but I never forget comrades that did what had to be done.
OK - one Tomahawk - poof gone - what are the political and military ramifications?
What is really going on in this chess game?
Thots?
I submitted a plan many years ago for destroying the Pueblo as a response to the murder of two American officers in the DMZ in 1977. I was told to forget it. This was during the Carter administration.
Test out the new rail guns when they get them operational. Surely launching a lot of bullets from America territory across Korea and into American territory is kosher.
I agree it was not the pilots fault but when pilots and other officers undergo adverse situations they have a stigma attached to them. I was a pilot in Strategic Air Command in mid 50's and know several who were dismissed from service for less offense than losing an aircraft.
I am pushing 80, hard...
God Bless you Sir.
You and yours are why we are free and still speak english.
I am on my knees to you - thank you for your service to this great country.
While our opinions may differ - we strive for the same outcome.
God Bless you again ... and thank you - your input and attitude is priceless - please keep it up.
b
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