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Catholic colleges discuss making school a good place for gays
Dateline Alabama ^ | 10.29.05 | LISA LEFF

Posted on 11/01/2005 2:04:26 PM PST by Coleus

More than 40 Catholic colleges were represented on Saturday at a conference that was billed as the nation's first on how gays and lesbians fit in at universities guided by a faith that says their sexual orientation is wrong.

But rather than lamenting the Catholic Church's stand on homosexuality, the two-day "Out There" conference at Santa Clara University showed that plenty of gay-related scholarship and student affairs planning is going on in Catholic higher education, said co-organizer Linda Garber.

"It's important and interesting to know there are Catholic universities that have offices and staff people specifically geared toward LGBT concerns," said Garber, director of the women's and gender studies program at Santa Clara. "There are a lot of people out there who are teaching (LGBT) studies without a national professional organization, a newsletter or anything."

The conference drew about 150 people, most of them faculty and administrators who deal with gay subject matter or students. Topics included "Curriculum and Same-Sex Marriage in a Jesuit University" and "Can I Be Gay and Catholic?"

The continuing tension was demonstrated into the oft-repeated anecdote that Notre Dame University has had an active gay and lesbian student group for years, but the college does not recognize or provide financial support to the organization.

One sign of how far the universities have come in openly addressing gay issues is that the dean's office and campus ministry at Jesuit-run Santa Clara provided money for the event, while the school's president sent a welcome letter to participants, said Lisa Millora, assistant dean for student life.

"There are a lot of people who subscribe to Catholic values as they relate to academic work, but don't necessarily agree with how the Catholic Church carries out its work," Millora said.

Among the universities represented at the conference were Georgetown, Loyola Marymount, Gonzaga, Fordham, DePaul, Boston College, College of the Holy Cross, La Salle, Marquette and Emory.


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1 posted on 11/01/2005 2:04:26 PM PST by Coleus
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To: Campion

Well, the good news is that we couldn't afford most of these place anyway :-).


2 posted on 11/01/2005 2:10:37 PM PST by Tax-chick (I'm not being paid enough to worry about all this stuff ... so I don't.)
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To: Coleus

Homosexuals should be given support and encouragement to lead chaste lives, if these colleges truly cared about them. The Church and its colleges have no right to adopt the gay activist ideology which is inimical with the teachings of the Catholic faith. Shame on these colleges!


3 posted on 11/01/2005 2:12:42 PM PST by Unam Sanctam
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To: Coleus
One sign of how far the universities have come in openly addressing gay issues is that the dean's office and campus ministry at Jesuit-run Santa Clara provided money for the event, while the school's president sent a welcome letter to participants, said Lisa Millora, assistant dean for student life.

Isn't Jesuit pretty much a synonym for rabid queer activist these days?

4 posted on 11/01/2005 2:14:52 PM PST by Paleo Conservative (Hey hey ho ho Andy Heyward's got to go!)
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To: Coleus
Homosexuality is decreed in the Catholic Religion to be a Mortal sin. If you practice homosexuality and die without benefit of Absolution, you are condemned to eternity in hell. If you choose not to believe this, that's OK, you just can't be a Catholic. You can be a loyal American, a Patriot, anything that you want to be, just not a Catholic. It is the same thing as divorce. This will bring out a whole lot of flamers but if you are a true Catholic and are divorced, and you remarry, you are living in sin. Too bad, that's the rules. Both of my children {Baptized in the Catholic Faith} are divorced. What a dilemma. It's never easy.
5 posted on 11/01/2005 2:15:54 PM PST by USS Alaska (Nuke the terrorist savages - In Honor of Standing Wolf)
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To: Coleus
"There are a lot of people who subscribe to Catholic values as they relate to academic work, but don't necessarily agree with how the Catholic Church carries out its work," Millora said.

Then find another church, and stop wrecking this one.

6 posted on 11/01/2005 2:16:24 PM PST by SteveMcKing ("I was born a Democrat. I expect I'll be a Democrat the day I leave this earth." -Zell Miller '04)
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To: Tax-chick; Campion
Well, the good news is that we couldn't afford most of these place anyway :-).

The bad news is that these schools are using the money donated to them by previous generations of patrons to advance causes that are 180 degrees opposite of their intentions.

7 posted on 11/01/2005 2:17:22 PM PST by Paleo Conservative (Hey hey ho ho Andy Heyward's got to go!)
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To: Paleo Conservative

Yes, that is bad. It's bad that our state universities are using our tax dollars to do the same thing. Sometimes a person just has to make bad jokes to keep from screaming and throwing things :-).


8 posted on 11/01/2005 2:19:04 PM PST by Tax-chick (I'm not being paid enough to worry about all this stuff ... so I don't.)
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To: Coleus

what world did I wake up in?


9 posted on 11/01/2005 2:21:01 PM PST by soltice
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To: soltice

Next time Roman Catholics make fun of Anglican Catholics for our weak sisters, remember this, thank you.

In seriousness, the concentrated and repeated attack --- from within and without --- on all the catholic and large protestant denominations is obviously no coincidence.


10 posted on 11/01/2005 2:23:29 PM PST by MeanWestTexan (Many at FR would respond to Christ "Darn right, I'll cast the first stone!")
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To: Paleo Conservative
The bad news is that these schools are using the money donated to them by previous generations of patrons to advance causes that are 180 degrees opposite of their intentions.

Just compare the "good list" with the "bad list." On the latter are all the schools that have been supported over the years by tuition payments and special collections for which poor Catholic immigrants handed over their hard-earned dollars. It is EVIL that these institutions scorn the teachings of the Church--and not just the teachings on homosexuality. Wonder what the Mormons would do if Brigham Young came out against their church's teachings?

11 posted on 11/01/2005 2:27:06 PM PST by madprof98
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To: Coleus

Ya know, I keep forgetting which line it was in the Bible where God approved that life choice. Remind me and I'll be sure to mark it.


12 posted on 11/01/2005 2:32:17 PM PST by mtbopfuyn (Legality does not dictate morality... Lavin)
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To: USS Alaska

Boston College and Notre Dame do not have Gay Groups on campus. Please note which two Catholic colleges remain in the Top 25.


13 posted on 11/01/2005 2:35:09 PM PST by massgopguy (massgopguy)
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To: Paleo Conservative

Yep, you might also add - anti-free market, anti-American, and anti-Catholic.

They announced another priest in Boston was finally pulled out of his parish for his...ahem...extra-curricular activities with a minor in Las Vegas (I don't know the sex of the minor - I only heard part of the report) - apparently it took some 20 months to get him out. Of course, he denies doing anything wrong.


14 posted on 11/01/2005 2:36:22 PM PST by NHResident (i)
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To: Coleus
The University of Dayton, where I teach, has been trying to promote "gay friendly" policies for several years. This year, they had a homosexual activist speaking on campus. It's a sin and a shame---and I'm not even Catholic!

One of the (conservative) brothers in the Marianist order tells me it's rife with homosexuality. As in, "most."

15 posted on 11/01/2005 2:38:48 PM PST by LS
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To: USS Alaska

Thats why I'm not a Catholic.


16 posted on 11/01/2005 2:41:57 PM PST by conserv13
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To: mtbopfuyn
Ya know, I keep forgetting which line it was in the Bible where God approved that life choice.

You're right, God does not approve of that life choice. Do you work on the sabbath? Eat pork or shellfish? God has as much to say about that as he does homosexuality.

17 posted on 11/01/2005 2:44:57 PM PST by conserv13
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To: Coleus
(Somewhere, on campus at a Catholic university. We see a table set up in the middle of campus. There is banner over it that says "Campus Association for Humanity)

CHIP (A new freshman): Hi, this is my first day here!

Billy (behind the table): Oh! That's just great! Please take one of our brochures.

CHIP: OK. Hey, there are two guys kissing on this? What the heck?

Billy: We are here to give everyone the right to live the way they want. Gay people are just like anyone else! We have feelings and love each other. I could explain this to you later over a beer if you like? (smiling)

CHIP: Dude! I've never met a gay guy before but don't you let a guy stick his pecker up your butt then stick it in your mouth?

Billy and others behind the table: Oh my God! You can't say that! Oh no! You are insensitive and hateful!

CHIP: Yea, sure. I'm sensitive enough to know I don't want a pecker stuck up my rear.

Bill and others: What do we do? Call the police! This is hate!

CHIP (later, in Father Johnson's office): Hey, I just told them what they do. What's the big deal? It's true and it's gross!

Father Johnson: You cannot talk that way! You must show tolerance. We cannot point at others the way you did and be critical. You were hateful and wrong! Sinful! They love each other just the way everyone else does.

CHIP: Uh huh. Sure Father. If I recall correctly even Jesus got a bit miffed at the Pharisees and Jesus was not to fond of Satan. So even Jesus got a little hacked off sometimes. And what about the "go forth and multiply" in the Bible? What about Sodom? God wasn't too "tolerant" in that case?

Father Johnson (laughing): You have a lot to learn son. Maybe we could go somewhere and have a beer and talk about this? (puts hand on CHIP's thigh).

CHIP: Crap!

18 posted on 11/01/2005 2:45:40 PM PST by isthisnickcool (Eternity? Smoking or nonsmoking?)
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To: Coleus

Well, they effed up the priesthood by making it way too comfortable for homosexuals. So now they want to take down the colleges, too? Pope Benedict, HELP!


19 posted on 11/01/2005 2:51:13 PM PST by Right Wing Assault ("..this administration is planning a 'Right Wing Assault' on values and ideals.." - John Kerry)
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To: mtbopfuyn

"Ya know, I keep forgetting which line it was in the Bible where God approved that life choice. Remind me and I'll be sure to mark it."

Somewhere after He restored Sodom & Gomorrah, I think.


20 posted on 11/01/2005 2:55:12 PM PST by MeanWestTexan (Many at FR would respond to Christ "Darn right, I'll cast the first stone!")
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