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Duquesne Sophomore Challenges 'Sexual Orientation' Harassment Charge
Agape Press ^ | 11/1/05 | Jim Brown

Posted on 11/01/2005 4:21:43 PM PST by wagglebee

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To: little jeremiah
Here is a relevant passage from the National Holocaust Museum online exhibit about the Nazi persecution of homosexuals:

The Nazi campaign against homosexuality targeted the more than one million German men who, the state asserted, carried a "degeneracy" that threatened the "disciplined masculinity" of Germany. Denounced as "antisocial parasites" and as "enemies of the state," more than 100,000 men were arrested under a broadly interpreted law against homosexuality. Approximately 50,000 men served prison terms as convicted homosexuals, while an unknown number were institutionalized in mental hospitals. Others—perhaps hundreds—were castrated under court order or coercion. Analyses of fragmentary records suggest that between 5,000 and 15,000 homosexual men were imprisoned in concentration camps, where many died from starvation, disease, exhaustion, beatings, and murder.

Thus, my apologies; I misread another source as saying that 50,000 to 100,000 were sent to concentration camps. But it still appears that homosexuals were not treated nicely by the Nazis. And the top Nazi leadership wasn't particularly gay. Ernst Roehm was; but wasn't he one of the ones liquidated during the Night of the Long Knives, when the Nazis eliminated the leadership of the SA -- a purge justified by the Nazis in part due to the alleged homosexuality of the SA leadership?

81 posted on 11/02/2005 12:52:59 PM PST by megatherium (Hecho in China)
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To: megatherium

Heheh! The National Holocaust Museum was hijacked by homosexual activists, and a lot of Jews - many survivors of the camps - protested their equating the treatment of homosexuals with that of Jews. There were articles about this on FR.

Just because it's from the Museum doesn't mean it's true or not biased. Homosexual activists just try to ride on the coattails of those who were actually discriminated against unjustly. Similarly, many black people are outraged that homosexuals compare themselves to the suffering black people have undergone.

Don't buy it. Need an unbiased, non-pro "gay" source. Many of the "homosexuals" placed in camps were not homosexuals at all but political prisoners. And many of the homosexuals that were arrested were the "femme" supporters of Magnus Hirschfeld, who led the Human Rights organization that had a lot of secrets about the perverted sex lives of many Nazis. His records are what were burned at the notorious book burning, and his followers were despised by the Nazis are effeminates. Also, Hirschfeld was Jewish, so that didn't help.

Also, the reason for the Night of the Long Knives was not homosexuality - many homosexuals in the Nazi party and other positions of power were not murdered, and many non-homosexuals were murdered - but politics. Hitler was afraid that Ernst Roehm and his boys were planning a takeover that would limit Hitler's power. The charge of homosexuality was a cover up that would be acceptable to the public. Try reading the "Pink Swastika". It's highly referenced, or "Hidden Hitler" by Lothar Machtan. He's a noted German historian.


82 posted on 11/02/2005 1:04:57 PM PST by little jeremiah
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To: Paved Paradise

Yeah, how about the school lets the kids start an 'abortion club' or an 'adultery club' or a 'stealing club' or a 'pedophile club'? Those sound like "no" as well.


83 posted on 11/02/2005 1:18:27 PM PST by Right Wing Assault ("..this administration is planning a 'Right Wing Assault' on values and ideals.." - John Kerry)
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To: Aquinasfan
Also remember the context of this passage
Luke 17:2-4

"If your brother sins, rebuke him, and if he repents, forgive him.

It is intended for fellow Christians. It was not intended for practicing satanists, unrepentant homosexuals or Islamists, etc.
84 posted on 11/02/2005 1:21:10 PM PST by sasafras ("Licentiousness destroyes order, and when chaos ensues, the yearning for order will destroy freedom.)
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To: little jeremiah
Fr. Tim Hickey is leading the committee of students, faculty, staff and administrators

There's that word 'committee' again. You don't need a committee. You just need one adult to say, "No, but if you want to start you own organization that has no connection with the school and meets off campus, you go right ahead. Nice talking to you. See you later."

85 posted on 11/02/2005 1:25:00 PM PST by Right Wing Assault ("..this administration is planning a 'Right Wing Assault' on values and ideals.." - John Kerry)
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To: exDemocratbutnotRepubican
"Mr. Miner has the right to say whatever he wants off campus,"

Are you suggesting that Mr. Miner does not have the right to say "whatever he wants" on campus?

86 posted on 11/02/2005 1:26:11 PM PST by Michael Bluth
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To: smith288

This boy never claimed to Jesus. Do you disagree that Jesus woould call them sinners or evil doers? I dont. If you practice and encourage evil then you are evil - subhuman is to good of a word to use - animals should be offended by the term because even they dont revert homo sex. Putting your penis in the poopoo is unnatural - I assume his reference for the use of the term subhuman.


87 posted on 11/02/2005 1:26:47 PM PST by sasafras ("Licentiousness destroyes order, and when chaos ensues, the yearning for order will destroy freedom.)
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To: smith288
Jesus wouldnt call a homosexual a sub-human.

Actually you are correct. He would call them an abomination like his Father did. (That's not saying that he wouldn't give them a chnace to repent and be saved however)

88 posted on 11/02/2005 1:43:58 PM PST by John O (God Save America (Please))
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To: sasafras
animals should be offended by the term because even they dont revert homo sex

homosexuality exists in many species including chimpanzees (bonobos). my only point was that the kid was insulting in his use of words. He admits this. Writing an essay is no big punishment.

89 posted on 11/02/2005 1:45:06 PM PST by exDemocratbutnotRepubican
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To: exDemocratbutnotRepubican

Whatever happened to free speech? America is dead.


90 posted on 11/02/2005 1:53:31 PM PST by Ruth C
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To: Right Wing Assault

Exactly so.


91 posted on 11/02/2005 1:57:00 PM PST by little jeremiah
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To: Ruth C
Whatever happened to free speech? America is dead.

Duquesne is a private University. Students agree to the code of conduct and to the process for determining violations when they matriculate.

92 posted on 11/02/2005 2:01:10 PM PST by exDemocratbutnotRepubican
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To: Giant Conservative
This student's free speech was un-Constitutionally subverted to politically coercive ideological indoctrination.

It is not unconstitutional for a private actor to ban any form of speech whatsoever.

93 posted on 11/02/2005 2:04:09 PM PST by Jim Noble (In a time of universal deceit telling the truth is a revolutionary act - Orwell)
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To: exDemocratbutnotRepubican

Oh come on homosexuality exists in many species? Just because dogs and chimps hump anything that moves doesnt make them homos. This is about the relationship and public acceptance of a perverted act not just about the act itself. Its no different than a child molester wanting to be recognized for their perverted deed or drug dealers or satanists.

These things are unnatural, contrary to healthy socities and therefore that is why this kid used the term subhuman. The act is "subhuman" in healthy natural human societies.


94 posted on 11/02/2005 2:08:54 PM PST by sasafras ("Licentiousness destroyes order, and when chaos ensues, the yearning for order will destroy freedom.)
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To: sasafras
Oh come on homosexuality exists in many species? Just because dogs and chimps hump anything that moves doesnt make them homos. This is about the relationship and public acceptance of a perverted act not just about the act itself. Its no different than a child molester wanting to be recognized for their perverted deed or drug dealers or satanists.

please do your own research. Homosexuality, males pairing with males happens in other species. I'm not saying it's a good thing, but facts are facts. Your resistance to the facts is strange.

95 posted on 11/02/2005 3:20:47 PM PST by exDemocratbutnotRepubican
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To: exDemocratbutnotRepubican
There is a lot of ignorance posted aboput homosexuality on these threads and you are in the middle of the lions den.

I admire your ability to remain calm and on point. Anything said in disagreement to some, is automatically pro-homo-agenda and not open for discussion.

Good luck!

96 posted on 11/02/2005 3:27:18 PM PST by bigsigh
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To: John O
He would call them an abomination like his Father did

No, he called the act itself an abomination if I recall correctly.

97 posted on 11/02/2005 4:12:45 PM PST by smith288 (Peace at all cost makes for tyranny free of charge...)
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To: sasafras
This boy never claimed to Jesus.

Good Lord no, but I do expect a follower of Christ to emulate Christ as closely as possible.

98 posted on 11/02/2005 4:13:47 PM PST by smith288 (Peace at all cost makes for tyranny free of charge...)
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To: smith288
No, he called the act itself an abomination if I recall correctly.

Here's a couple relevant verses:

Leviticus 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

Deuteronomy 7:26 Neither shalt thou bring an abomination into thine house, lest thou be a cursed thing like it: but thou shalt utterly detest it, and thou shalt utterly abhor it; for it is a cursed thing.

So a case can be made that one who brings an abomination into their house becomes that abomination. Especially when they identify themselves as that abomination. But it would be a weak case.

I stand corrected. Jesus would have called them committers of abomination.

99 posted on 11/03/2005 5:19:35 AM PST by John O (God Save America (Please))
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To: exDemocratbutnotRepubican
Homosexuality, males pairing with males happens in other species

Subhuman species.

100 posted on 11/03/2005 5:20:51 AM PST by John O (God Save America (Please))
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