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Putin: Terror rooted in USSR breakup
The Washington Times ^ | Nov. 1, 2005

Posted on 11/01/2005 5:06:38 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe

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To: RightWhale

"He is correct. There was a power vacuum in the region. Russia is still not capable of reasserting hegemony over their former sphere,"

Are you serious? Russia never had control and the proof is that they had to kill 30 million to keep the Kremlin afloat.
Stalin said his war against the Ukes that fought collectivization was worse than the war against fascism.

Communism is politically bankrupt - the Chinese had to kill twice that many to survive.


51 posted on 11/02/2005 4:31:59 PM PST by spanalot
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To: spanalot

Communism is dead. Even China recognizes that. Russia's sphere still includes Iraq and Iran and once Russia gets its wealth on the taxrolls as private property so they have some collateral for private investments, then Russia can resume its proper place among nations. Russia has tremendous wealth, but most of it is unusable as capital because it is not recorded. Instead of capital they have mafia and neighborhoods. Putin could do this, or get the ball rolling while he finishes out his term.


52 posted on 11/02/2005 4:41:59 PM PST by RightWhale (Repeal the law of the excluded middle)
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To: stripes1776
"Hopefully Putin will put more resources into building a better economy than copying the former police state."
Hmmm... But pray tell me: what does he know better and have more experience in, "building a better economy" or "copying the former" and running the present (and one yet to come) "police state"? So which task would he be a natural at?
53 posted on 11/02/2005 4:59:06 PM PST by GSlob
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To: gondramB
Yes, a totalitarian socialist state with no freedom of speech, religion, association or movement probably does cut down on opportunities for terrorism... How odd that people have to be tricked into it with unfulfillable promises... /sarcasm

LMAO!!! My sentiments exactly. You could have simply ended it after the word "freedom." LOL

54 posted on 11/02/2005 5:01:05 PM PST by Fruitbat
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To: GSlob
Hmmm... But pray tell me: what does he know better and have more experience in, "building a better economy" or "copying the former" and running the present (and one yet to come) "police state"? So which task would he be a natural at?

A healthy economy will do more to keep Russian territory intact than reverting to a totalitarian government will. At the same time, I think he will try to consolidate power in the central government and strengthen the military to help suppress any rebellions in the south or east of the country

If he doesn't clamp down hard enough, Russia will break up like the Soviet Union did. If he clamps down too hard, he will alienate Russians in all walks of life and cause what he wants to prevent. He has a very difficult balancing act ahead of him.

55 posted on 11/02/2005 8:48:15 PM PST by stripes1776
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To: stripes1776

One is talking about hard-wired knee-jerk reflexes here, not of "balancing acts", which are not instinctive and "hard wired". The only things moderating knee-jerk reflexes are the available resources and other circumstances of the same nature.


56 posted on 11/03/2005 1:26:24 AM PST by GSlob
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To: stripes1776

I am afraid you are falling into "intelligent design" fallacy and attributing rationality and intelligence to largely instinctive actions, where no rationality or intelligence exist or are even needed.


57 posted on 11/03/2005 2:58:45 AM PST by GSlob
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To: Tailgunner Joe; jb6

When Putin claims that USSR breakup causes terror, he leaves out one simple fact--the Soviet regime itself practiced terror against its own citizens.

Certainly the power vacuum created by the breakup of USSR in some regions gave the opportunity to unsavory folks to pursue their own agenda by terror means, but it doesn't change the terror nature of the Soviet Regime under Stalin.
After Stalin, Soviet Regime softened, but it continued to pursue avanturistic policies abroad, including financing of Communist thugs and regimes around the world which was one of the key factors in the USSR breakup apart from the Arms Race.

So Putin has a selective memory which given his ex-KGB background and beliefs is not surprising.


58 posted on 11/03/2005 10:12:07 AM PST by sergey1973 (Russian American Political Blogger, Arm Chair Strategist)
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To: sergey1973

No its not selective memory, its selective interpretation of the statement. You should know that most people were against dissolving the national entity though they were more then happy to show the communists to the door.


59 posted on 11/03/2005 4:23:53 PM PST by jb6 (The Atheist/Pagan mind, a quandary wrapped in egoism and served with a side order of self importance)
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To: RightWhale
Russia never had control and the proof is that they had to kill 30 million to keep the Kremlin afloat.

Spanalot has a mental block on seperating Russia from the SU & communism.

60 posted on 11/03/2005 4:26:03 PM PST by jb6 (The Atheist/Pagan mind, a quandary wrapped in egoism and served with a side order of self importance)
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To: jb6

That's okay. We'll just say what needs to be said. There are usually no winners in these debates since there are no rules and no authorities to act as judges.


61 posted on 11/03/2005 4:31:29 PM PST by RightWhale (Repeal the law of the excluded middle)
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To: RightWhale
No, not quite. Under the Soviet Union, terrorism was state policy and happened in plush offices and urban basements across the land, as well as abroad in a hundred places, while terrorists flocked to Moscow to attend university classes on the construction of improvised bombs, hijacking, kidnapping, torture methods, etc.
62 posted on 11/03/2005 4:34:15 PM PST by JasonC
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To: JasonC

But, Russia is making some gains in recording clear title to real estate and legal businesses. Long ways to go; it is very complicated to do this fairly, especially coming out of a communist system.


63 posted on 11/03/2005 4:40:09 PM PST by RightWhale (Repeal the law of the excluded middle)
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo
"Russian President Vladimir Putin said Tuesday his country's problem with terrorism is rooted in the breakup of the Soviet Union."

He just NOW figured this out???

LOL. For sure. No, I think he really means NOW, in the recent past, it's getting out of HIS control, starting to affect things closer to home, Moscow and St. Pete, not just places in the US, Europe, and the outlying regions of the former USSR.

64 posted on 11/03/2005 5:06:13 PM PST by fortunecookie
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To: RightWhale

"Communism is dead. Even China recognizes that. Russia's sphere still includes Iraq and Iran and once Russia gets its wealth on the taxrolls as private property so they have some collateral for private investments, then Russia can resume its proper place among nations."

Have you checked oil prices - they are plummeting as will the Russian economy. Russia is morally bankrupt and still run by the same opportunistic thug mindset that has occupied the Kremlin for the past 200 years.

Record prices have propped up this system temporarily - but don't put any money into the ruble - it will soon be rubble.


65 posted on 11/04/2005 6:29:10 PM PST by spanalot
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