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Putin: Terror rooted in USSR breakup
The Washington Times ^ | Nov. 1, 2005

Posted on 11/01/2005 5:06:38 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe

Russian President Vladimir Putin said Tuesday his country's problem with terrorism is rooted in the breakup of the Soviet Union.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: alqaedarussia; communism; communist; kgb; lenin; leninlover; putin; russia; sovietunion; stalin; stalinismyfriend; ussr; vladimirputin
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To: gondramB

There won't be any stalinism in Russia but more then likely sooner or later there will be Tsarism and if you read up on history, Russia and America were allies form the start and up until 1917....of course this does not mean that men like Armnhammer or Ford or Rockefellers weren't trying (along with their leftist media allies....yup even back then) to get rid of the Tsar and help the "social" experiment in Russia.


41 posted on 11/02/2005 12:10:27 PM PST by jb6 (The Atheist/Pagan mind, a quandary wrapped in egoism and served with a side order of self importance)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
True to a degree, however, 200 years of Russian colonization and Russian culture had watered down that already watered down Islam (remember, most of those areas became Islamic within only the past 300-400 years and often enough by Suffis). Furthermore, starting from Tsarina Elizebeta, all Christian denominations were welcome to send missionaries into the "Mohammedan lands" to convert the locals at will.

The power vacueem that was created, especially with Taliban Afghanistan and Pakistan next door, not to mention Iran, and all those Arab Mujahadjin around....well we all know the results of this. Better a Christian Russia comes back and Christianizes that area then Wahhibies continue to set up shop. Islam in that area will get back to us, no matter what.

42 posted on 11/02/2005 12:14:15 PM PST by jb6 (The Atheist/Pagan mind, a quandary wrapped in egoism and served with a side order of self importance)
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To: GarySpFc; Thunder90

The simple fact that Russia has a dozen major and minor political parties and China ONE.


43 posted on 11/02/2005 12:15:12 PM PST by jb6 (The Atheist/Pagan mind, a quandary wrapped in egoism and served with a side order of self importance)
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To: jb6

how much blood is on his hands???? i take it you live there or going too? helping syria,iran china? seeya commie


44 posted on 11/02/2005 12:26:19 PM PST by fatteddy (teddy kennedy has one big ,large , head)
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To: GarySpFc

They have even been found in the Western provences of the PRC.


45 posted on 11/02/2005 2:34:43 PM PST by Thunder90
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To: Stellar Dendrite; GSlob; Lukasz; lizol; spanalot

p i n g.


46 posted on 11/02/2005 2:37:49 PM PST by Grzegorz 246
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To: Tailgunner Joe; Grzegorz 246
And didn't you know, that "fall of the Soviet Union was the greatest geo-political disaster of the century"?

According to Putin, of course
47 posted on 11/02/2005 2:43:11 PM PST by lizol
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To: Grzegorz 246
The World War started in the year. After that Ribbentrop-Molotov Pact was not the best solution but the necessary one in those conditions…” - Vladimir Putin

Putin is still Soviet in heart, that is why he is spreading communist propaganda, like some pseudo-conservatives in this thread.

48 posted on 11/02/2005 2:52:25 PM PST by Lukasz
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To: Grzegorz 246

Well, given the nature of USSR as a state, he might have a point - if you break a bottle, there will be come contents spillage.


49 posted on 11/02/2005 3:03:49 PM PST by GSlob
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To: Thunder90
More proof that Putin wants the USSR back!

Putin wants to keep Russia one country, rather than see it break up into several. If Muslim territories succeed in gaining independence, other areas will demand the same. So he will try to consolidate power in the central government.

Russia is too weak militarily and politically to defeat these Muslim rebels any time soon. The Russians will be tied down for many years just trying to maintain the current borders of the country. A revival of the former USSR in terms of expanding territory is not an option.

Does this mean that the Russian government will become as brutal as the former Soviet Union? That is certainly a possibility. Hopefully Putin will put more resources into building a better economy than copying the former police state.

50 posted on 11/02/2005 3:23:09 PM PST by stripes1776
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To: RightWhale

"He is correct. There was a power vacuum in the region. Russia is still not capable of reasserting hegemony over their former sphere,"

Are you serious? Russia never had control and the proof is that they had to kill 30 million to keep the Kremlin afloat.
Stalin said his war against the Ukes that fought collectivization was worse than the war against fascism.

Communism is politically bankrupt - the Chinese had to kill twice that many to survive.


51 posted on 11/02/2005 4:31:59 PM PST by spanalot
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To: spanalot

Communism is dead. Even China recognizes that. Russia's sphere still includes Iraq and Iran and once Russia gets its wealth on the taxrolls as private property so they have some collateral for private investments, then Russia can resume its proper place among nations. Russia has tremendous wealth, but most of it is unusable as capital because it is not recorded. Instead of capital they have mafia and neighborhoods. Putin could do this, or get the ball rolling while he finishes out his term.


52 posted on 11/02/2005 4:41:59 PM PST by RightWhale (Repeal the law of the excluded middle)
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To: stripes1776
"Hopefully Putin will put more resources into building a better economy than copying the former police state."
Hmmm... But pray tell me: what does he know better and have more experience in, "building a better economy" or "copying the former" and running the present (and one yet to come) "police state"? So which task would he be a natural at?
53 posted on 11/02/2005 4:59:06 PM PST by GSlob
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To: gondramB
Yes, a totalitarian socialist state with no freedom of speech, religion, association or movement probably does cut down on opportunities for terrorism... How odd that people have to be tricked into it with unfulfillable promises... /sarcasm

LMAO!!! My sentiments exactly. You could have simply ended it after the word "freedom." LOL

54 posted on 11/02/2005 5:01:05 PM PST by Fruitbat
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To: GSlob
Hmmm... But pray tell me: what does he know better and have more experience in, "building a better economy" or "copying the former" and running the present (and one yet to come) "police state"? So which task would he be a natural at?

A healthy economy will do more to keep Russian territory intact than reverting to a totalitarian government will. At the same time, I think he will try to consolidate power in the central government and strengthen the military to help suppress any rebellions in the south or east of the country

If he doesn't clamp down hard enough, Russia will break up like the Soviet Union did. If he clamps down too hard, he will alienate Russians in all walks of life and cause what he wants to prevent. He has a very difficult balancing act ahead of him.

55 posted on 11/02/2005 8:48:15 PM PST by stripes1776
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To: stripes1776

One is talking about hard-wired knee-jerk reflexes here, not of "balancing acts", which are not instinctive and "hard wired". The only things moderating knee-jerk reflexes are the available resources and other circumstances of the same nature.


56 posted on 11/03/2005 1:26:24 AM PST by GSlob
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To: stripes1776

I am afraid you are falling into "intelligent design" fallacy and attributing rationality and intelligence to largely instinctive actions, where no rationality or intelligence exist or are even needed.


57 posted on 11/03/2005 2:58:45 AM PST by GSlob
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To: Tailgunner Joe; jb6

When Putin claims that USSR breakup causes terror, he leaves out one simple fact--the Soviet regime itself practiced terror against its own citizens.

Certainly the power vacuum created by the breakup of USSR in some regions gave the opportunity to unsavory folks to pursue their own agenda by terror means, but it doesn't change the terror nature of the Soviet Regime under Stalin.
After Stalin, Soviet Regime softened, but it continued to pursue avanturistic policies abroad, including financing of Communist thugs and regimes around the world which was one of the key factors in the USSR breakup apart from the Arms Race.

So Putin has a selective memory which given his ex-KGB background and beliefs is not surprising.


58 posted on 11/03/2005 10:12:07 AM PST by sergey1973 (Russian American Political Blogger, Arm Chair Strategist)
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To: sergey1973

No its not selective memory, its selective interpretation of the statement. You should know that most people were against dissolving the national entity though they were more then happy to show the communists to the door.


59 posted on 11/03/2005 4:23:53 PM PST by jb6 (The Atheist/Pagan mind, a quandary wrapped in egoism and served with a side order of self importance)
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To: RightWhale
Russia never had control and the proof is that they had to kill 30 million to keep the Kremlin afloat.

Spanalot has a mental block on seperating Russia from the SU & communism.

60 posted on 11/03/2005 4:26:03 PM PST by jb6 (The Atheist/Pagan mind, a quandary wrapped in egoism and served with a side order of self importance)
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