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Oil profits, prices and politics
Townhall.com ^ | 3 Nov 2005 | Alan Reynolds

Posted on 11/03/2005 7:39:03 AM PST by Small-L

Bill O'Reilly of Fox TV concluded: "My contention is the oil companies don't have to double their profits. They can maybe make them two-fifths (40 percent). Take a little less for the good of the nation."

Exxon-Mobil's recent profit margin was up to nearly 9 percent of sales. Suppose they tried to cut that to a nickel out of every dollar by offering to sell crude oil for $3 a barrel less than the going price on the Chicago mercantile exchange. Refiners around the world would instantly commit to buying every drop. By the next day, the world price of crude would be same as before. ... Suppose the Big Five oil companies got together and agreed to cut retail gasoline prices at their company-owned stations by 20 cents a gallon. Motorists would soon drain those stations dry, leaving the much larger number of independent gas stations in a position to charge even more. Meanwhile, independent station owners would file a complaint with the antitrust division of the Department of Justice accusing the majors of collusive predatory pricing to drive them out of business.

If prices or crude oil and gasoline really rise and fall at the whim of U.S. petroleum companies, why would oil and gas prices ever fall? Texas crude fell to $12 in February 1999. Was that because U.S. oil companies suddenly became less greedy?

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TOPICS: Business/Economy
KEYWORDS: dhpl; grassley; oilcompanyprofits
Bill O'Reilly, Grassley, and most in Congress need to go take Economics 101 again and quit using the public's ignorance about free market economy to pander for votes.
1 posted on 11/03/2005 7:39:04 AM PST by Small-L
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To: Small-L

Microsoft's profit for the same quarter was about 25 percent of sales. Let's rip em !


2 posted on 11/03/2005 7:41:10 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: Small-L
O'Reilly is an idiot. He really shows that he either does not know anything about economics or he just lies to be popular with his listeners who do not know anything about economics. Either one makes him an idiot.
3 posted on 11/03/2005 7:45:25 AM PST by Hendrix
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To: Small-L
and quit using the public's ignorance about free market economy to pander for votes.

But this is EXACTLY WHAT THE SO-CALLED PUBLIC SCHOOL SYSTEM, BETTER KNOWN AS GOVERNMENT INDOCTRONATION CETERS IN MY OPINION WANT!!! To DUMB America down, to dumb Americans into voting for THEM. What else do you expect from a 30-second sound bite, reality TV, go to the movies, hang at the mall, talk on the cell phone while driving, whine at everything, blame Bush, conservatives, religion, for EVERY thing wrong in their lives. This is EXACTLY what the socialist and communist democrats want, AND SADLY, ARE GETTING!

4 posted on 11/03/2005 7:47:37 AM PST by RetiredArmy (Socialist Dems, the MSM and Islamic murderers, ALL threats to the Republic!)
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To: Small-L

The high oil prices are indicative of the large increase in commodity traders and the funds available to them. Many of these individuals and groups don't ever take possession of the oil they trade. They just drive up the prices. The oil companies are not setting the prices high, nor are they manipulating the market. The manipulation is occurring in the commodity futures, and it is being perpetrated by the same market forces that inflate prices of many of our stocks.

If there's anything to be done about oil prices, it might help to do something to chase the speculators out of the oil futures market. Punishing the oil companies for something outside of their control would be counter productive.


5 posted on 11/03/2005 7:47:40 AM PST by coconutt2000 (NO MORE PEACE FOR OIL!!! DOWN WITH TYRANTS, TERRORISTS, AND TIMIDCRATS!!!! (3-T's For World Peace))
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To: Small-L
What about all of those years that the price of crude was below 15.00 and it took 20.00 for the oil companies to make a profit at all???????? The petro companies are responsible to their stockholders to make money period.
6 posted on 11/03/2005 7:48:13 AM PST by Coldwater Creek ("Over there, Over there, we will be there until it is Over there.")
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
Microsoft's profit for the same quarter was about 25 percent of sales. Let's rip em !

But, but, but, we don't need Windows...even though it is on almost every computer sold... -sarcasm

7 posted on 11/03/2005 7:50:20 AM PST by frogjerk (LIBERALISM - Being miserable for no good reason)
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To: Small-L
Can someone explain why, when the price of crude oil goes up per barrel, the price at the pump goes up immediatly. But when the price of crude goes down, it takes weeks to see a price change at the pumps?
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8 posted on 11/03/2005 7:50:31 AM PST by Old Seadog (Inside every old person is a young person saying "WTF happened?".)
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To: Old Seadog

Cause they can get it.


9 posted on 11/03/2005 7:52:29 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: Hendrix

O'reilly makes higher pct. profit than Exxon. Let's go after him!!


10 posted on 11/03/2005 8:57:59 AM PST by hubbubhubbub
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To: Old Seadog

Do you have data to cite or are you just assuming that?

If true, on reason is could be that many states have laws that gas stations must charge a certain percent over what they paid for the gas. So if the price the stations pay goes down they cannot lower prices until they sell out the higher priced gas.

Competition makes the price go down. Anti-competition laws (basically anti Wal-Mart/Sams Club gas station laws) that keep prices higher would be to blame.


11 posted on 11/03/2005 9:13:37 AM PST by On the Road to Serfdom
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To: Hendrix

Exactly, anyone who complains that "Profits are X% higher than last year" is an idiot. If last year was a bad year with very little profit, then profits could be 1000% higher and it still could be another bad year.

For example if a major coporationg needs $100 million profit to make a 6% return on investment, then $1million total profit last year would be an failure. A $10million profit this year would still be a failure even thought it is 1000% higher than last year.


12 posted on 11/03/2005 9:22:27 AM PST by On the Road to Serfdom
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To: Small-L

If Oil is such a great investment, why not just invest in it? Why steal the profits? The fact is, oil has not been the greatest investment over the past years.


13 posted on 11/03/2005 9:24:53 AM PST by Always Right
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14 posted on 11/04/2005 7:49:58 AM PST by Born Conservative (Prince Charles is Camilla Parker Bowles' tampon - MadIvan)
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To: RetiredArmy

Even though he is a lib, I thought you might enjoy this quote from George Carlin. Some of it dovetails with your comments:

"If everything is really the fault of a politician, where are all the bright, honest, intelligent Americans who are ready to step in and replace them? Where are these people hiding? The truth is, we don't have people like that. Everyone's at the mall, scratching his ba!!s, and buying sneakers with lights in them. And complaining about the politicians." - George Carlin


15 posted on 11/04/2005 8:00:40 AM PST by Born Conservative (Prince Charles is Camilla Parker Bowles' tampon - MadIvan)
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