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Anger grips Paris riot suburb
BBC News, Clichy-sous-Bois, France ^ | 11/3/2005 | By Alasdair Sandford

Posted on 11/03/2005 10:50:46 AM PST by America's Resolve

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To: Sir Gawain

On the moon we spank nerds with moonrocks.


41 posted on 11/03/2005 11:36:15 AM PST by Constantine XIII
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To: karnage


Uh...yeah...okay, u r right man there's no difference between Arab Americans and their European brothers...just as there's no difference between Anglo Americans and their Anglo French Brothers.


It's powder keg of oppression ready for the right amount of hate speech to ignite it and explode in Michigan...mmm...the critical mass is pending...

C'mon, man, the better scenario is a horde of islmofacists from "outside" the country hijaking a freighter and putting into the port of Houston with a bunch of old, krappy, Soviet military equipment and trying to take Houston.


42 posted on 11/03/2005 11:37:35 AM PST by in hoc signo vinces ("Houston, TX...a waiting quagmire for jihadis.")
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To: karnage
If you don't think the exact same thing can happen here, you are a fool. The same hatred is being taught in mosques all across America. The same violence is coming here. And soon.

Unlikely. The Muslim population on the US is quite small, and includes several sizable groups (Iranians who fled the 1979 revolution, for example) who are quite fond of America. There are probably no more than 3 million muslims in the US. Generally, they're fairly spread out, too. Except for a few places, like Dearborn, MI, you don't have too many sizeable Muslim communities in this country.

Muslim urban unrest like we're seeing in France is not viable, given these facts.

43 posted on 11/03/2005 11:38:08 AM PST by Palisades (Cthulhu in 2008! Why settle for the lesser evil?)
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To: Aquinasfan


I am pretty sure...considering there's at least a century of this country being called a "metling pot" for a reason.

Yes...but look how France's 10% is alienated within France. Ask yourself, since 9/11, why hasn't there been more suicide bombings by Arab Americans?


44 posted on 11/03/2005 11:43:12 AM PST by in hoc signo vinces ("Houston, TX...a waiting quagmire for jihadis.")
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To: in hoc signo vinces
Ask yourself, since 9/11, why hasn't there been more suicide bombings by Arab Americans?

Well, one of the reasons is that the majority of Arab Americans aren't in fact Muslim, but Christian or Jewish (like the Syrian woman sitting three offices down from me)

45 posted on 11/03/2005 11:45:35 AM PST by Palisades (Cthulhu in 2008! Why settle for the lesser evil?)
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To: IVC1974
The French should take their cue from Frank Rizzo or Richard Daily and announce that: "Rioters will be shot."

Don't announce. Just shoot. And keep shooting unitl nothing on the field moves. This is war and islam is the enemy

46 posted on 11/03/2005 11:50:58 AM PST by John O (God Save America (Please))
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To: Palisades


Agreed, but isn't it also true that those that are "muslim" have assimilated into life in America with decent jobs..etc...things they didnt have where they were from...thus if such riots occurred they would have much to lose?

There's a huge back story in regard to the American Arab Muslim that's out there...I am not talking about the guy that just stepped of the plane from Yemen...I speaking about the communities that have been here for decades.

There truly is a difference between the American Mulsim..and the militant Euro/Middle East Militand Muslim.

The French problem is unique to France because it's more endemic to French society as a whole...the country (France) is a sess pool. It was only a matter of time before it exploded.


47 posted on 11/03/2005 11:52:08 AM PST by in hoc signo vinces ("Houston, TX...a waiting quagmire for jihadis.")
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To: America's Resolve

Why is the media refusing to say that this is a Muslim uprising????


48 posted on 11/03/2005 11:53:08 AM PST by Blogger
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To: in hoc signo vinces
The good ole USA Assimilates like the Borg...whereas France, for all its haughty noble preaching, keeps ethnic populations seperated and alienated within its culture

Agree. I don't think the riot problem is due to the rioters being Islamic, but rather marginalized and unemployed young men.

49 posted on 11/03/2005 11:54:20 AM PST by A Ruckus of Dogs
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To: in hoc signo vinces
Agreed, but isn't it also true that those that are "muslim" have assimilated into life in America with decent jobs..etc...things they didnt have where they were from...thus if such riots occurred they would have much to lose?

I don't see such riots as being likely for the simple reason that there is simply not enough of a critical mass of disaffected, radicalized Muslims in this country.

Are there sleeper cells and/or small groups of potential terrorists? Absolutely. But nothing on the scale that would allow for large battles with the police.

50 posted on 11/03/2005 11:54:40 AM PST by Palisades (Cthulhu in 2008! Why settle for the lesser evil?)
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To: Blogger
Why is the media refusing to say that this is a Muslim uprising????

To maintain their untarnished reputation as lying deceptive left-wing wacko apologists?

51 posted on 11/03/2005 11:56:51 AM PST by LikeLight
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To: Palisades


Exactly.


52 posted on 11/03/2005 11:58:43 AM PST by in hoc signo vinces ("Houston, TX...a waiting quagmire for jihadis.")
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To: Blogger

Because they figure their readers are intelligent and have noticed that the people being quoted are named Mohammed and the politicians are talking about building mosques,.


53 posted on 11/03/2005 11:58:58 AM PST by RonF
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To: karnage

Um.... sorry, trying to give you the benefit of the doubt, but it doesn't wash. The numbers alone do mot compute.

Hows that bunker digging in you back yard coming along?


54 posted on 11/03/2005 12:02:03 PM PST by Texas WOP
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To: A Ruckus of Dogs

"Agree. I don't think the riot problem is due to the rioters being Islamic, but rather marginalized and unemployed young men."

And you are correct.
Also, the CRS are often on a power trip. This is provocative.



55 posted on 11/03/2005 12:36:42 PM PST by Vicomte13 (Et alors?)
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To: Vicomte13

The CRS are being held back and it has everything to do with Islam.


56 posted on 11/03/2005 12:50:21 PM PST by crazycat
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To: crazycat

"The CRS are being held back and it has everything to do with Islam."

It has very little to do with Islam.
It is much more akin to what happened in race relations in America in the 1960s and 1970s, an explosive time in the USA.

Idle hands are the Devil's workshop.
And you cannot simply have the police roughing up boys all the time because they don't like their looks.

If this were Islamist, there would be dead people everywhere.
This is a French issue, between French people, being fought out and engaged using French cultural rules.
There is property damage, but nobody is killing anybody.
That's not the way Islam operates, anywhere that there is an Islamiste insurgency.
That is the way angry French mass movements operate, be they farmers or trade unions.

This will not become a General Strike, because it is isolated to the ethnic enclaves about Paris.

But it will be settled the way the American racial tensions were settled: by creating massive government jobs programs to employ the idle hands, and by retraining the police to be less abusive of minorities.

The ravings about Islamic revolution are pure fantasy.
Once people start getting killed, then it will have turned the corner into something more dire. So long as the police don't kill and the crowds don't kill, we are dealing with France and not Araby.


57 posted on 11/03/2005 12:58:21 PM PST by Vicomte13 (Et alors?)
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To: ncountylee
Sounding more and more like Pali pukes.

Should we go to the UN and demand that France end their bitter, illegal and xenophobic occupation? France has no right to act unilaterally and must first seek approval from the EU, the UN and all international non-governmental organizations.

However before these issues can even be discussed, the root causes must be identified and an independent evaluation conducted, first through onsite inspections teams, followed by a complete review of all relevant data. Most importantly, the review should look at the historical claims that Muslims have to French land and the inherent racism of European and specifically French society.

If they fail to do this, French leaders will answer for their arrogance to the International World Court followed by robust sanctions on France by the UN.

To avoid a further quagmire, France must withdraw from these occupied territories in the interests of international justice.

58 posted on 11/03/2005 12:58:31 PM PST by usurper (Spelling or grammatical errors in this post can be attributed to the LA City School System)
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To: in hoc signo vinces

I was involved with a police investigation of a Muslim group attempting to acquire surface-to-air and surface-to-surface missiles. They were not going to try to overthrow the U.S. government singlehandedly. Just planning to shoot down an airliner or two.


59 posted on 11/03/2005 1:06:48 PM PST by karnage
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To: karnage

The same violence is already in our inner cities, and it's not Muslims. The "them" and "us" mentality is alive and well among the gang-bangers and welfare- lifers.


60 posted on 11/03/2005 6:00:10 PM PST by Americanchild
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