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Mark Steyn: Wake up, Europe, you've a war on your hands
Chicago Sun-Times ^ | November 6, 2005 | Mark Steyn

Posted on 11/06/2005 3:14:50 AM PST by Puzzleman

Ever since 9/11, I've been gloomily predicting the European powder keg's about to go up. ''By 2010 we'll be watching burning buildings, street riots and assassinations on the news every night,'' I wrote in Canada's Western Standard back in February.

Silly me. The Eurabian civil war appears to have started some years ahead of my optimistic schedule.

(Excerpt) Read more at suntimes.com ...


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: europe; france; french; frenchmuslims; insurgency; markonthemark; marksteyn; muslim; parisriots; steyn; uprising
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Hooray!
1 posted on 11/06/2005 3:14:51 AM PST by Puzzleman
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To: Tolik; neverdem; Alice au Wonderland

Mark Steyn ping


2 posted on 11/06/2005 3:22:16 AM PST by King Prout (many accuse me of being overly literal... this would not be a problem if many were not under-precise)
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To: All

the summation:

"If Chirac isn't exactly Charles Martel, the rioters aren't doing a bad impression of the Muslim armies of 13 centuries ago: They're seizing their opportunities, testing their foe, probing his weak spots. If burning the 'burbs gets you more ''respect'' from Chirac, they'll burn 'em again, and again. In the current issue of City Journal, Theodore Dalrymple concludes a piece on British suicide bombers with this grim summation of the new Europe: ''The sweet dream of universal cultural compatibility has been replaced by the nightmare of permanent conflict.'' Which sounds an awful lot like a new Dark Ages."

the man is bang on the mark.


3 posted on 11/06/2005 3:27:57 AM PST by King Prout (many accuse me of being overly literal... this would not be a problem if many were not under-precise)
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To: Alamo-Girl; MikeinIraq; Squantos; Travis McGee; mhking; rdb3; MEG33

you'll want to see this


4 posted on 11/06/2005 3:29:40 AM PST by King Prout (many accuse me of being overly literal... this would not be a problem if many were not under-precise)
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Great article.
Just think the 'liberals' insisted that we must look to France for guidance on the Iraq War. Will they approve of a 'France War' that might come for America to save them?

France made their bed -- now they must lie in it.


5 posted on 11/06/2005 3:29:56 AM PST by MrsTn
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To: Puzzleman

As usual..........Steyn just nails it.


6 posted on 11/06/2005 3:32:33 AM PST by RightOnline
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To: Puzzleman

Great column, just great. Will reread as an antidote to the Sunday shows where Bush and Cheney will be fried, fricasseed, grilled, broiled, and done to a turn while real news is made in Paris.


7 posted on 11/06/2005 3:38:19 AM PST by hershey
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To: Puzzleman; All
Crosslinked:

Is Paris Burning? ( Religion of Peace® Alert )
Click the picture:


8 posted on 11/06/2005 3:38:46 AM PST by backhoe (The Silence of the Tom's ( Tired Old Media... ))
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To: Puzzleman
" ... As is the way with the political class, they seem to see the riots as an excellent opportunity to scuttle Sarkozy's presidential ambitions rather than as a call to save the Republic ..."


If I didn't know better, I would begin to believe that Mr. Steyn was referring to America's Democrats.

In fact, should one change a few simple words, you have exactly what the enemy Democrats are all about.



9 posted on 11/06/2005 3:40:24 AM PST by G.Mason (The greatest enemy of these United States is the Democrat Party)
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To: King Prout
Anyone that doesn't realize this is a world war with Islamic fanaticism is a fools fool soon to be a victim IMO.
10 posted on 11/06/2005 3:40:35 AM PST by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. )
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To: Squantos
Jihad!



The picture below is from a mosque in Pakistan:

Don't worry...
France is willing to fight right down to the last American, as usual.

11 posted on 11/06/2005 3:43:18 AM PST by Bon mots
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To: Puzzleman

World War III has already started and nobody noticed!


12 posted on 11/06/2005 3:45:52 AM PST by Cricket24 ("We have met the enemy and it's the U.S. press (and the democrats and some Republicans)!")
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To: Cricket24
More similar information here.
13 posted on 11/06/2005 3:48:28 AM PST by Pusterfuss (Proud member: Minnesotans for Global Warming)
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To: Puzzleman

We demand to know what John Kerry thinks.


14 posted on 11/06/2005 3:48:29 AM PST by hershey
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To: Puzzleman

ping


15 posted on 11/06/2005 3:52:59 AM PST by Robert357 (D.Rather "Hoist with his own petard!" www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1223916/posts)
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To: Victoria Delsoul; kstewskis; Raquel; Kelly_2000; kassie; kayak; Carolinamom; Peach; Miss Marple; ...

Mark Steyn is on the money!


16 posted on 11/06/2005 3:54:08 AM PST by Northern Yankee (Freedom Needs A Soldier)
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To: Squantos
Anyone that doesn't realize this is a world war with Islamic fanaticism is a fools fool soon to be a victim IMO.

I've been beating that drum for years- sometimes, I wonder if anyone is listening...

Islam, The Alleged Religion of Peace® ( TARP™ )? Click this picture:


17 posted on 11/06/2005 3:54:30 AM PST by backhoe (The Silence of the Tom's ( Tired Old Media... ))
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To: MrsTn
"France made their bed -- now they must lie in it."


Don't look now, but we are making the same bed.

We have all the elements of degeneracy right here. Combined that with the aid and succor they will undoubtably recieve from the Democrat Party and you have exactly the same situation.

Perhaps the spark will be another Republican Presidency in 2008?



18 posted on 11/06/2005 3:55:45 AM PST by G.Mason (The greatest enemy of these United States is the Democrat Party)
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To: Puzzleman

Mark Steyn says that Chirac is no Charles Martel. He is, however, very close to Jerry Lewis.


19 posted on 11/06/2005 3:57:40 AM PST by WestVirginiaRebel (The Democratic Party-Jackass symbol, jackass leaders, jackass supporters.)
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To: hershey

You mean he can think?


20 posted on 11/06/2005 3:57:43 AM PST by gulfcoast6
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To: MrsTn

Sure, but they won't have SHEETS to sleep on, they tear them up to surrender by.


21 posted on 11/06/2005 3:59:25 AM PST by gulfcoast6
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To: hershey

...maybe you inadvertently left out BBQ'd, steamed, roasted, and in Biblical terms, torn asunder.


22 posted on 11/06/2005 4:05:20 AM PST by wita (truthspeaks@freerepublic.com)
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To: Puzzleman
Where is a fiesty, sawed-off Corsican when you really need him?
23 posted on 11/06/2005 4:05:36 AM PST by edpc
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To: hershey
"We demand to know what John Kerry thinks"

Now, more than ever, we need to see JF'nK's "plan".

24 posted on 11/06/2005 4:08:06 AM PST by Paladin2 (If the political indictment's from Fitz, the jury always acquits.)
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To: Puzzleman

THIS is your wake up call. Act NOW or forever burn in hell.


25 posted on 11/06/2005 4:11:34 AM PST by Lancer_N3502A
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To: Puzzleman

From article: "this grim summation of the new Europe: ''The sweet dream of universal cultural compatibility has been replaced by the nightmare of permanent conflict.''

Very sad, for we will be standing with the French at the big one.
Not by choice but because we must!

If you will not fight for right when you can easily win without blood shed; if you will not fight when your victory is sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves.

Winston Churchill


26 posted on 11/06/2005 4:17:36 AM PST by DUMBGRUNT (Sane, and have the papers to prove it!)
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To: Pusterfuss

Great site, thanks for the link.


27 posted on 11/06/2005 4:18:30 AM PST by ThreePuttinDude (Liberal Hopes Daschled Again)
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To: ThreePuttinDude
Great site, thanks for the link.

Thanks, it's one of my daily "must read" sites.

28 posted on 11/06/2005 4:23:52 AM PST by Pusterfuss (Proud member: Minnesotans for Global Warming)
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To: Puzzleman
Before you guys start talking about France's only military victory referenced in the article.....

The Pastry war.

Military history of France
Military history of Mexico
Conflict The Pastry War
Date 1838
Place Mexico
Result French victory
Combatants
France Mexico
Strength
30,000 3,000
Casualties
Unknown Unknown

29 posted on 11/06/2005 4:29:10 AM PST by raybbr
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To: G.Mason
It's not just the Democrats:

What are we to make, then, of the astonishing silence, the utter lack of accountability and the absence of any apparent shift in electoral strategy that has accompanied the meltdown of the one of Bush political team’s major initiatives: Its effort to recruit Muslim- and Arab-American voters (and donors) by pandering to foreign-funded organizations led by radical leftists and even pro-“Islamists” -- despite the fact that most members of those communities neither are radical nor subscribe to the virulently intolerant, and often violently anti-American, tenets of those who promote Islamism.

This courting formally got underway back in 2000, when senior advisors to then-Governor Bush invited representatives of highly problematic groups like the Islamic Society of North America (ISNA), the American Muslim Council (AMC) and the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) to Austin. On the presidential campaign trail that year, he met with and received support from an Islamist activist named Sami Al-Arian and embraced Mr. Al-Arian’s personal pet project – the prohibition of the use of “secret evidence” by federal law enforcement.

From here.

And here.

Both parties are courting Ohio Muslims

30 posted on 11/06/2005 4:37:00 AM PST by raybbr
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To: hershey
I hope the french people are not to pacified to wait for the government to fix the problem. I hope the french people have the cajones to take on these animals themselves. I worry they are like sheep (shades of N.O.) from being on the dole to long. Are there any french heroes left?
31 posted on 11/06/2005 4:43:19 AM PST by bronxboy
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To: Puzzleman
For half a decade, French Arabs have been carrying on a low-level intifada against synagogues, kosher butchers, Jewish schools, etc. The concern of the political class has been to prevent the spread of these attacks to targets of more, ah, general interest. They seem to have lost that battle.
Just an aside here, a point off-the-main-subject, but a point I've written here in FR several times:

Any Jewish citizen of France who remains in that country deserves what he or she gets (though the same doesn't apply to minor children forced to remain with their blinkered parents).

In the 1930s, Jews living in Europe could be excused for not taking Nazis at their word. This is not 1930. If you don't take Nazis at their word, and continue to live in a country where Nazis are gaining power daily, then I'm sorry, you deserve your obvious coming execution. You are, simply put, too stupid to live.

32 posted on 11/06/2005 4:45:12 AM PST by samtheman
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To: Puzzleman

Les sanglots longs des violons de l'automne
Blessent mon coeur d'une languer monotone


33 posted on 11/06/2005 4:49:00 AM PST by Ben Chad
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To: Squantos

"Anyone that doesn't realize this is a world war with Islamic fanaticism is a fools fool soon to be a victim IMO."

cough cough... oil.


35 posted on 11/06/2005 4:51:44 AM PST by EQAndyBuzz (Liberal Talking Point - Bush = Hitler ... Republican Talking Point - Let the Liberals Talk)
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To: G.Mason
It's just that I have limited amounts of ammo and have determined that the "targets of interest" begin with the Democrat Party. Once that scourge is eradicated I will be able to focus on the rest. ;)

I can agree with that. :)

36 posted on 11/06/2005 4:55:25 AM PST by raybbr
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To: EQAndyBuzz

What I find so funny and sad about this is everyone in this world is waiting on the same thing to stop radical Islam.

They want Israel to take out their dirty laundry. I honestly believe that Jews are God's chosen children and God created the Jews to keep his buddy Mohammeds kids in check.

As for France, I hope it continues to burn. I will never forgive them for stabbing the US in the back.


37 posted on 11/06/2005 4:55:37 AM PST by EQAndyBuzz (Liberal Talking Point - Bush = Hitler ... Republican Talking Point - Let the Liberals Talk)
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To: Northern Yankee
They're in Brussels, where Belgian police officers are advised not to be seen drinking coffee in public during Ramadan...

I had no idea such concessions were being made for the Islamofascists.

38 posted on 11/06/2005 4:56:58 AM PST by Peach (The Dems enabled Able Danger. 3,000 Americans died.)
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To: edpc

Yeah! He did a pretty good job when he went down south the last time.

Just have to work on the Navy a bit first.


39 posted on 11/06/2005 5:05:08 AM PST by PeteB570 (Guns, what real men want for Christmas)
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To: Puzzleman

MArk is on the money! What a read!


40 posted on 11/06/2005 5:07:34 AM PST by Shery (S. H. in APOland)
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To: Puzzleman
If burning the 'burbs gets you more ''respect'' from Chirac, they'll burn 'em again, and again.

The sentence would be just as accurate if we substitute "Carter", "Clinton", and "Kerry".

41 posted on 11/06/2005 5:15:42 AM PST by libertylover (Abortion is a crime against humanity.)
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To: Puzzleman
If Chirac isn't exactly Charles Martel, the rioters aren't doing a bad impression of the Muslim armies of 13 centuries ago

Steyn's strategic sense is amazing!

42 posted on 11/06/2005 5:18:36 AM PST by Gritty ("Today, the Muslim advance has penetrated deeper into Europe than Abd al-Rahman at Poitiers-Mk Steyn)
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To: raybbr

"It's just that I have limited amounts of ammo and have determined that the "targets of interest" begin with the Democrat Party. Once that scourge is eradicated I will be able to focus on the rest. ;)"

Note to self ... order 5 more cases of .308 ... DO NOT get cought low on inventory like G.Mason


43 posted on 11/06/2005 5:24:16 AM PST by MaDeuce
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To: Puzzleman
Someone should paste column over there. (Wake up, Europe, you've a war on your hands).
44 posted on 11/06/2005 5:25:28 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: Puzzleman
Someone should paste this column over there. (Wake up, Europe, you've a war on your hands).

[oops]

45 posted on 11/06/2005 5:26:23 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: DUMBGRUNT

quote:

If you will not fight for right when you can easily win without blood shed; if you will not fight when your victory is sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves.

Winston Churchill


wow!

Does anyone not believe that Winston Churchill was one of the greatest men of the 20th century.


46 posted on 11/06/2005 5:27:41 AM PST by conservative physics
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To: Puzzleman

Steyn is one of my few fellow countrymen who actually sees and calls things for what they are. Which is exactly why he is a pariah here.


47 posted on 11/06/2005 5:30:30 AM PST by Ashamed Canadian (America - please invade us now!!)
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To: MaDuce; G.Mason
Note to self ... order 5 more cases of .308 ... DO NOT get cought low on inventory like G.Mason.

LOL!!!!!

48 posted on 11/06/2005 5:33:41 AM PST by raybbr
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To: Puzzleman


"Hooray!"

There may be more inappropriate responses in desparate circumstances,but yours will do to portray insanity and functional disconnectedness.

We now pronounce you a sociopath.

How do you NOT feel?


49 posted on 11/06/2005 5:33:53 AM PST by CBart95
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To: Squantos
"Anyone that doesn't realize this is a world war with Islamic fanaticism is a fools fool soon to be a victim IMO."

I agree, but I think it's worse than that. I don't want to be cynical but this is a world war against ISLAM. Period.

50 posted on 11/06/2005 5:36:27 AM PST by manwiththehands (Big Lie #1: "Islam is a peaceful religion"; Big Lie #2: Bush "lied")
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