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SURPRISE THREAT TO PIRRO BID (conservatives to back tough-talking ex-Marine against Hillary)
NY POST ^ | 11/7/05 | FREDRIC U. DICKER

Posted on 11/07/2005 5:10:04 AM PST by Liz


JEANINE PIRRO Conservatives eye rival.

Jeanine Pirro's little-known opponent for the GOP nomination for U.S. Senate is close to winning crucial backing from the small but influential Conservative Party, insiders say.

Such a success by former Yonkers Mayor John Spencer would deny Pirro a vital endorsement in what would already be — if she is the GOP nominee — an uphill battle against incumbent Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton. And it would be the latest blow for Pirro, the outgoing Westchester County district attorney whose campaign has been marred by stumbles and fund-raising shortfalls.

Tactically, Spencer, a tough-talking ex-Marine who is far more conservative than Pirro on a range of issues, plans to use Conservative Party backing as leverage to convince many still-uncommitted GOP leaders to back him as the only candidate with a chance to defeat Clinton.

"Spencer clearly has the edge on Jeanine," Conservative Party Chairman Michael Long told The Post. "If our party's convention was held next week, I think Spencer would be the choice." Spencer said, "I feel, at this point, the Conservative endorsement is in the bag."

No Republican since 1974 has won statewide election without Conservative Party support.

(Excerpt) Read more at nypost.com ...


TOPICS: Politics/Elections; US: New York
KEYWORDS: 2006; corrupt; facelift; gopprimary; gospencer; hillary; johnspencer; mafiaprincess; mayor; pirro; rino; votejonspencer; yonkers
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1 posted on 11/07/2005 5:10:05 AM PST by Liz
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To: Liz

Unfortunately, what we are all interested in is defeating Hillary, not Pirro. A strong conservative in a state that is, on balance, quite liberal, would be a huge underdog against her heinous.


2 posted on 11/07/2005 5:13:05 AM PST by TruthShallSetYouFree (Abortion is to family planning what bankruptcy is to financial planning.)
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To: TruthShallSetYouFree

The reality is that Pirro is going to lose. The lesson of Dole in '96 vs. Goldwater '64 is that if you are going to lose, you might was well lose advancing a positive agenda and strong leadership that helps to build the movement for the long haul.


3 posted on 11/07/2005 5:15:19 AM PST by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: Liz

This is classic. Hillary will now win in a landslide. We conservatives can now whimper in the dark about our principles and refusal to compromise. Fine, it's easier to be a minority party and not have the burden of actually winning and getting things done. Now Hillary can pat Conservatives on our thick heads and laugh all the way to the Capitol... shades of 'read my lips' and the deformed party all over again.


4 posted on 11/07/2005 5:20:15 AM PST by rhombus
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To: Liz
Very interesting, and by all means, send in the Marine(s).:)

Looks like New York has some very intriguing potential GOP gubernatorial candidates for 2006; "Rochester billionaire and newly turned Republican Thomas Golisano", and NYC Mayor Bloomberg.

5 posted on 11/07/2005 5:21:09 AM PST by xJones
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To: Liz

We need a last minute dark horse campaign from Rudy.
If he wants to ever be president, he must first defeat Hillary in 2006.
Only then will he be a true hero to the Republican base and be able to win the GOP nomination.


6 posted on 11/07/2005 5:24:39 AM PST by counterpunch (~ Let O'Connor Go Home! ~)
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To: Rodney King

Agreed. Pirro is no threat to Hillary. It is better to run a strong conservative and make a statement. It will flush out Hillary's views and provide a stark contrast between the GOP and Hillary. She will be the Dem nominee in 2008. Now is the time to get her on the record on a variety of issues.


7 posted on 11/07/2005 5:27:43 AM PST by kabar
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To: Liz

You can't defeat Hillary by cloning her and slapping on a GOP label. Pirro's essentially a Democrat by her politics, no wonder she can't find contributors.


8 posted on 11/07/2005 5:46:18 AM PST by thoughtomator (Alito Akbar)
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To: Liz
If you're gonna post an article from a site that requires registration, the least you could do is post login info.

This works (courtesy of bugmenot.com):
Email: 111111@mailinator.com
Password: 111111

9 posted on 11/07/2005 5:49:06 AM PST by upchuck (John Robinson abhors my avatar: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1510594/posts?page=30#30 :)
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To: Rodney King

Well said.


10 posted on 11/07/2005 6:20:16 AM PST by WOSG (http://freedomstruth.blogspot.com/)
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To: rhombus

Pirro would lose anyway. "We conservatives can now whimper in the dark about our principles and refusal to compromise."

... no, stand up and state our beliefs proudly. We've run away from them for too long in the Northeast elections, that's why we keep losing.

The only one who has a chance to beat Hillary is Rudy.
Either recruit him or get a good conservative in there to mess with Hillary.


11 posted on 11/07/2005 6:24:21 AM PST by WOSG (http://freedomstruth.blogspot.com/)
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To: Rodney King

"The reality is that Pirro is going to lose. "

No one is going to beat Hillary. The goal isn't to beat her. The goal is to bankrupt her for her 2008 run. Force her to spend 100 mil and make the race close.

The only way to beat the left is to take away their funds.


12 posted on 11/07/2005 6:40:35 AM PST by EQAndyBuzz (Liberal Talking Point - Bush = Hitler ... Republican Talking Point - Let the Liberals Talk)
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To: EQAndyBuzz

Right, which Pirro won't do either. It is going to be a blow-out.


13 posted on 11/07/2005 6:46:14 AM PST by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: WOSG

Who was the last Republican senator from NY? Was it Jacob Javits? I expect the NY Conservative party didn't support him either.


14 posted on 11/07/2005 6:58:38 AM PST by rhombus
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To: rhombus

Upstate needs its own state. Then RINOs need not apply.


15 posted on 11/07/2005 6:59:31 AM PST by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: kabar
It is better to run a strong conservative and make a statement. It will flush out Hillary's views and provide a stark contrast between the GOP and Hillary.

Agreed

16 posted on 11/07/2005 7:01:03 AM PST by 1Old Pro (Confirm Alito before year end!)
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To: mewzilla
Upstate needs its own state. Then RINOs need not apply.

Massachusetts has the same problem.

17 posted on 11/07/2005 7:07:49 AM PST by rhombus
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To: rhombus

NY, PA, MA, yup, we all have the same problem. I've been thinking that the reds bits of PA and NYS could combine to make a pretty good state.


18 posted on 11/07/2005 7:10:50 AM PST by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: rhombus

Alphonse D'Amato.


19 posted on 11/07/2005 7:14:45 AM PST by Doohickey (If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice...I will choose freewill.)
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To: mewzilla
NY, PA, MA, yup, we all have the same problem. I've been thinking that the reds bits of PA and NYS could combine to make a pretty good state.

The real red vs blue disctions, I think, are city mouse vs country mouse issues.

20 posted on 11/07/2005 7:15:42 AM PST by rhombus
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To: Doohickey
Alphonse D'Amato

That's right, apologies to Al, how could I forget? Would he be considered a RINO today or a "real" conservative? Either way, he WAS defeated.

21 posted on 11/07/2005 7:17:18 AM PST by rhombus
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To: counterpunch
I agree. Rudy kicking her out of the senate would cripple her bid for 2008.
22 posted on 11/07/2005 7:20:10 AM PST by Freedom Blitz
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To: kabar
It is better to run a strong conservative and make a statement.

Like your strategy. If I were in NY, I would get behind the Marine instead of Hillary lite that is running -- less than impressed with Pirro. This would be the one time I would support someone that is not Republican but from the Conservative Party if I lived there.

23 posted on 11/07/2005 7:48:43 AM PST by PhiKapMom (AOII MOM -- Istook for OK Governor in 2006! Allen in 2008!)
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To: Liz; All

I am totally for John Spencer. Pirro is running an idiotic campaign against Hillary! John Spencer is a strong conservative who given a chance can smack the hell out of Hillary - I'm nost saying he will definately win- but he's gonna give her one HELL of a fight!


24 posted on 11/07/2005 7:51:24 AM PST by areafiftyone (Politicians Are Like Diapers, Both Need To Be Changed Often And For The Same Reason!)
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To: rhombus

Probably a RINO, but in a Rudy Guiliani kind of way.


25 posted on 11/07/2005 7:52:13 AM PST by Doohickey (If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice...I will choose freewill.)
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To: rhombus
This is classic. Hillary will now win in a landslide.

She's going to win anyway...might as well run a strong conservative against her. Pirro's a joke.

26 posted on 11/07/2005 7:54:15 AM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Harmful or Fatal if Swallowed)
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To: rhombus

Alfonse D'Amato.


27 posted on 11/07/2005 7:55:26 AM PST by WOSG (http://freedomstruth.blogspot.com/)
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To: PhiKapMom

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It is better to run a strong conservative and make a statement.

Like your strategy. If I were in NY, I would get behind the Marine instead of Hillary lite that is running -- less than impressed with Pirro. This would be the one time I would support someone that is not Republican but from the Conservative Party if I lived there.
>

For God's sake, people, think. Think.

If you run a candidate way over to the right of Hillary, it exposes NOTHING about her. In fact, what it allows her to do is move to the center and posture as a totally reasonable Centrist candidate.

Can you imagine the nationwide MSM orgasm declaring her to be a Centrist?

The center wins because the center is less offensive to the majority. The way to defeat Hillary is to force her to move leftward, abdicating the center. Pirro is to the right of Hillary. She is not a conservative, but she is more conservative than Hillary. She forces Hillary to the left. In fact, Pirro would be able to declare herself a Centrist.

Can she win? Probably not. Probably only Rudi can beat Hillary in NY. But this is not about NY. This is about 2008. You CANNOT allow Hillary to be labeled CENTRIST or we have Hillary as president in 2008.

Pirro is the optimal GOP strategy to stop Hillary and the Conservative party should support her.


28 posted on 11/07/2005 7:58:50 AM PST by Owen
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
She's going to win anyway...might as well run a strong conservative against her. Pirro's a joke.

Sounds like you are defeated before you even start.

29 posted on 11/07/2005 8:22:07 AM PST by rhombus
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To: areafiftyone; NYer; The Mayor
I am totally for John Spencer. Pirro is running an idiotic campaign against Hillary! John Spencer is a strong conservative who given a chance can smack the hell out of Hillary - I'm nost saying he will definately win- but he's gonna give her one HELL of a fight!

Maybe we've even segued as a culture so that if Spencer hands a paper to Hillary in a debate, he won't be accused of "invading her speace," like Lazio was.

30 posted on 11/07/2005 8:49:21 AM PST by Liz (You may not be interested in politics; doesn't mean politics isn't interested in you. Pericles)
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To: counterpunch

Rudy has his inaugural ball gown picked out already, too. (Actual pic, not photoshopped.)

31 posted on 11/07/2005 8:52:34 AM PST by Liz (You may not be interested in politics; doesn't mean politics isn't interested in you. Pericles)
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To: Liz; eastsider
"Spencer clearly has the edge on Jeanine,"

The average New Yorker has the edge on Jeanine. Go Spencer!

32 posted on 11/07/2005 8:56:26 AM PST by NYer (ôSocialism is the religion people get when they lose their religion")
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To: rhombus

Can you say, "Pyrrhic victory?"

If this is a dry run for '08, all the conservative machinations will be meaningless, anyway. We won't have anything left to defend....

Keep it up, guys....


33 posted on 11/07/2005 8:59:24 AM PST by Mia T (Stop Clintons' Undermining Machinations (The acronym is the message.))
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To: rhombus

meant to include a bump. I obviously agree with you. ;)


34 posted on 11/07/2005 9:01:35 AM PST by Mia T (Stop Clintons' Undermining Machinations (The acronym is the message.))
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To: Owen
If you run a candidate way over to the right of Hillary, it exposes NOTHING about her. In fact, what it allows her to do is move to the center and posture as a totally reasonable Centrist candidate.

Way over to the right? You mean a real conservative. I don't share your view that Spencer is an extremist on the political spectrum, even in NY. He is closer to the mainstream than Hillary.

Hillary has been running as a Centrist. In many ways, so has Pirro, who has similar views on major social issues. Running a candidate who is a little more to the right than Hillary is a distinction without a difference. As a result, many "Conservative" issues won't come up because both Hillary and Pirro agree on them.

The way to defeat Hillary is to force her to move leftward, abdicating the center. Pirro is to the right of Hillary. She is not a conservative, but she is more conservative than Hillary. She forces Hillary to the left. In fact, Pirro would be able to declare herself a Centrist.

How do you force Hillary leftward, if Pirro is in agreement with her on most social issues. Hillary does not have to secure her base. They already know who she is and what she stands for. Hillary already has the election wrapped up in NY. What we need from the election is someone to challenge her on some basic issues, including security. We need Hillary on the record about these issues and the only way to do that is to get someone who doesn't hold similar views.

"A breath of fresh air to politics, in 1996, Spencer shocked the “experts” became the Republican mayor of overwhelmingly Democrat Yonkers, New York’s fourth-largest city. As mayor, he stood up for conservative principles and what was right for the people he represented."

"What others thought of as impossible, he saw as challenges to overcome. He took a stagnant city in decline and changed its image to a city of progress. He revitalized the waterfront, cut taxes that others said couldn't be cut and improved services. John Spencer is proud to run on his life record and on his record as a big-city mayor who pulled a city out from under a state Financial Control Board and federal oversight of its court-ordered desegregation."

"At the height of the Vietnam War, when others were avoiding the draft, John Spencer chose to enlist in the United States Army to serve his country. The awesome responsibility of leading men whose very survival depended on him as a young Infantry Lt., shaped and molded him into the leader he is today."

"A principled conservative who can win."

"As a candidate and public servant, Spencer has been proud to run and win with the Conservative Party of New York’s endorsement. John Spencer has always clearly and unashamedly taken a principled stand for his pro-life, pro-marriage, pro-growth, pro-2nd amendment, and anti-illegal immigration positions. As our candidate for the U.S. Senate, Spencer will provide a clear contrast to Senator Clinton’s views. If we nominate a Republican who agrees with Senator Clinton on these issues, we are destined to lose."

"As a self-made man, John Spencer worked his way up from construction worker to real estate management and knows firsthand the challenges that working class families face to make ends meet. He found his purpose in fatherhood and was not afraid to roll up his sleeves and work hard to provide for his family. His devotion to every aspect of his older children's lives, Jennifer and John, led to his active participation in the community. This was the beginning of his involvement in politics as a vehicle for social change. Since remarried, John and his wife Kathy are the proud parents of three young children, Kaitlyn, Patrick and James."

John Spencer for US Senate

35 posted on 11/07/2005 9:04:17 AM PST by kabar
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To: Mia T
Can you say, "Pyrrhic victory?"

Exactly, what has to be considered is the control of the Senate by maintaining the majority status. The so-called "real Conservative" agenda will go no where if the Senate is handed back to the Democrats. Let the other party go down with the purity of their principles: Greenies, Nadarites and MoveOn.org.

36 posted on 11/07/2005 9:04:36 AM PST by rhombus
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To: rhombus
Sounds like you are defeated before you even start.

Nobody's going to vote for Pirro. Spencer will at least rally the faithful and obtain crucial backing from the Conservative Party as well as voters disaffected with Clinton.

37 posted on 11/07/2005 9:06:37 AM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Harmful or Fatal if Swallowed)
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To: rhombus
This is classic. Hillary will now win in a landslide. We conservatives can now whimper in the dark about our principles and refusal to compromise. Fine, it's easier to be a minority party and not have the burden of actually winning and getting things done. Now Hillary can pat Conservatives on our thick heads and laugh all the way to the Capitol... shades of 'read my lips' and the deformed party all over again.

This isn't like, say, not voting for Doug Forrester in New Jersey, where the race is so close. Pirro has no chance in winning. And she's got a husband who's a cheat and a crook, so she can't even use Hillary's husband against her. I frankly resent how Pirro's been pushed upon us by party leaders, so I will be happy to vote for an alternative.

38 posted on 11/07/2005 9:07:55 AM PST by NYCVirago
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To: Owen
What is "the center" anyway?

Do you know that a "centrist" is a term concocted and defined by the Left?

39 posted on 11/07/2005 9:08:44 AM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Harmful or Fatal if Swallowed)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Who is the last candidate the Conservative party supported who won? Did they support your current Governor?


40 posted on 11/07/2005 9:10:12 AM PST by rhombus
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To: rhombus

No Republican since 1974 has won statewide election without Conservative Party support.


41 posted on 11/07/2005 9:11:40 AM PST by kabar
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To: kabar

That is the point, isn't it? What Conservative party candidate has won withiout Republican party support?


42 posted on 11/07/2005 9:13:10 AM PST by rhombus
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To: kabar

Thanks for the link. This Spencer guy sounds like a winner. IMO he should run for NY Governor.


43 posted on 11/07/2005 9:14:16 AM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Harmful or Fatal if Swallowed)
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To: Liz

Thanks, this is the first I have seen of him I think...

I have been so busy fighting the corruption here in Erie county I may have missed it.


44 posted on 11/07/2005 9:14:31 AM PST by The Mayor ( As a child of God, prayer is kind of like calling home everyday.)
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To: rhombus
That is the point, isn't it? What Conservative party candidate has won withiout Republican party support?

Obviously. you need both. Are you saying that Spencer cannot garner GOP support? That is why we have primaries.

45 posted on 11/07/2005 9:15:41 AM PST by kabar
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To: kabar
Obviously. you need both. Are you saying that Spencer cannot garner GOP support? That is why we have primaries.

I don't know. Show me.

46 posted on 11/07/2005 9:16:49 AM PST by rhombus
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To: Liz

47 posted on 11/07/2005 9:17:39 AM PST by The Mayor ( As a child of God, prayer is kind of like calling home everyday.)
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To: rhombus

There is no Republican zone in Massachusetts. There are a few clusters of suburbs that vote red, but they're few and far between. The rural areas are Democrat, too.


48 posted on 11/07/2005 9:18:07 AM PST by HostileTerritory
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To: rhombus

Show you? I don't understand your point. If Spencer successfully challenges Pirro in the GOP primary, he will be the nominee of both the Conservative and GOP parties. If Pirro wins, she will be the GOP nominee. I can't show you anything. It is up to the voters to decide.


49 posted on 11/07/2005 9:20:56 AM PST by kabar
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To: HostileTerritory

I believe Bush won one out of thirteen counties and came real close in two other rural counties. That's really not bad considering they had a home boy running. You also need to consider the fact that that voting districts in Massachusetts have been gerymandered for years and years.


50 posted on 11/07/2005 9:27:21 AM PST by rhombus
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