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Poverty, Racism Blamed for French Riots
Islam Online ^ | 07 November 2005

Posted on 11/07/2005 2:06:15 PM PST by Lorianne

PARIS, November 7, 2005 (IslamOnline.net & News Agencies) – With French riots witnessing the first fatality Monday, November 7, people and European officials started putting down theories on the possible root causes of the violent nightly unrest that entered its twelfth night and showed no signs of abating.

European officials voiced concern, with some of them giving "diplomatic" explanations as to why, as a battle over the blame broke out on the Internet, with people trying to fathom the causes of the escalating violence, according to Agence France-Presse (AFP).

Many of the North Africans in France were second and third generation Frenchmen, a writer identifying himself as Jeff from Boston in the United States said on a BBC discussion forum.

"France is their only home, yet they face neglect, discrimination, and racism. The French government has concerned itself with relatively superficial issues such as the veil (hijab) when the biggest problems such as decent housing and unemployment have been ignored. The rioters in France are not violent Muslims, but disenfranchised citizens," he said.

Europe needed immigrants for cheap labor, said another contributor to the BBC forum, Housam of Swindon, who was offended by French interior minister Nicolas Sarkozy's description of the rioters as "rabble."

"The indigenous Europeans always want it all: they want the immigrants to do the menial jobs they hate but they are not ready to deal with them on equal grounds as human beings. Indigenous Europeans still live with the colonial mentality of superiority. When the French revolution started against inequality, rioters were also accused of being "scum".

Lack of Integration

The problem facing Paris is one of integration, reception and the ability to respond," said Veltroni.

On the official level, Rome's Mayor Walter Veltroni blamed the ongoing riots in the Paris suburbs on a "problem of integration" and urged policies aimed at preventing exclusion.

"Rome and Paris are in different situations: the French capital has a problem of integration. The problem facing Paris is one of integration, reception and the ability to respond," said the mayor, a member of Italy's main opposition Democrats of the Left party, according to AFP.

"Local Italian governments overall, whether on the right or the left, have done a lot of work for social cohesion in the suburbs. We do it on a daily basis," he said.

Veltroni recommended "putting in place integration policies that respect people's identity and at the same time help prevent exclusion and rejection."

Other officials voiced concern.

"Everybody is concerned at what is happening, and I send every support to the French government and to the French people in dealing with the situation," British Prime Minister Tony Blair said at a monthly press conference.

Politicians and observers said the violence in France, which saw 1,400 cars set on fire overnight Sunday in the worst night of rioting so far, was due to a unique set of factors there and unlikely to spread.

"We should never be complacent about these things, although I think our situation, in some ways, is different," Blair said.

"I suspect it is part of the French authorities gripping (coming to grips with) a law-and-order situation, which has to be done."

Copycat Attacks

The riots showed no sign of abating for the 11th day running. (Reuters)

On the other hand, France's European neighbors kept a wary eye for any sign the violence may cross borders.

With police across Europe saying they would remain vigilant against copycat attacks, a handful of cars were torched in Berlin and incidents were reported also in Brussels.

Five cars were torched in a working-class area of the German capital Berlin overnight, which police said may have been an attempt to copy the violence in France, according to AFP.

There was also a second straight night of incidents in the northern German port city of Bremen where seven metal containers were set alight 24 hours after several cars and a disused building were burned.

Germany's incoming interior minister, the veteran conservative Wolfgang Schaeuble, said however he did not believe his country would suffer the sort of rioting which has caused widespread damage on the outskirts of Paris and in other French cities.

"We do not have these enormous high-rise developments that you see on the edge of French cities," he told Monday's Bild newspaper.

"But in Germany too there are areas with a high percentage of foreigners who increasingly feel separated from the rest of society."

But Italy's opposition leader Romano Prodi has said that an explosion of urban violence in Italy is "only a matter of time".

"We have the worst suburbs in Europe," the former EU Commission president said in a debate in the northern city of Bologna, AFP reported.

"We must not think we are so different to Paris. Our suburbs are a human tragedy, and if we don't take serious action on social and housing issues we will have many scenes like Paris."

Prodi, who leads the Union, a coalition of disparate left-wing parties including the Democrats of the Left, is expected to mount a stiff challenge to incumbent Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi in a general election next April.

There were also incidents in Belgium, where five cars were set alight in central Brussels overnight Sunday, but officials downplayed any link with the violence in France.

The vehicles were destroyed near the Gare du Midi, a district with a large immigrant population just south of the Belgian capital's historic heart.

A spokesman for the government's crisis center said it was monitoring the violence in France but there had so far been "no similar events" in Belgium.

The riots in France saw Monday the fall of the first human fatality. Jean-Jacques Le Chenadec, 61, died in hospital after being knocked into a coma by a hooded young man last week, as he was discussing the riots with a neighbor in the northern Paris suburb of Stains, according to AFP.

On October 27, the electrocution of two teenagers, believed to be traced by the police in the slump Seine-Saint-Denis, sparkled the trouble, the worst since students' riots in 1968.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: france
And I was thinking poverty and racism only occurs in the USA. Who knew?
1 posted on 11/07/2005 2:06:15 PM PST by Lorianne
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To: Lorianne

if you listen to the french criticize us, you'd think it was a utopia over there..


2 posted on 11/07/2005 2:07:59 PM PST by GeorgiaDawg32 (Islam is a religion of peace and they'll behead 13 year old girls to prove it...)
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To: Lorianne
If I may paraphrase Mr. Limbaugh (I think)...

Riots are not caused by intangible objects like poverty and racism. Riots are caused BY RIOTERS!

3 posted on 11/07/2005 2:08:05 PM PST by safeasthebanks ("The most rewarding part, was when he gave me my money!" - Dr. Nick)
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To: GeorgiaDawg32

>> you'd think it was a utopia over there

There are no cars in utopia.

They are getting there.


4 posted on 11/07/2005 2:12:41 PM PST by mmercier
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To: safeasthebanks

best french news site
www.fuckfrance.com

sounds funny, but good site


5 posted on 11/07/2005 2:12:55 PM PST by genghis
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To: Lorianne

Sounds like the NAACP, JJ, Sharpton set up shop in France. Thats it keep blaming others for your situation, its never your fault - no self responsibility. I wonder if the French will buy into this crap like we have here - always screaming about being oppressed regardless of the truth and watch the emotional lilly white liberal zombies like Celone Dion scream "let them touch that stuff for once in their lives."


6 posted on 11/07/2005 2:14:25 PM PST by sasafras ("Licentiousness destroyes order, and when chaos ensues, the yearning for order will destroy freedom.)
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To: Lorianne

Poverty and racism caused these French riots in the same way that poverty and rascism "caused" the Night of Broken Glass.


7 posted on 11/07/2005 2:15:20 PM PST by Thrusher ("...there is no peace without victory.")
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To: Lorianne

The sad thing is that we will end up rescuing France again.


8 posted on 11/07/2005 2:16:27 PM PST by babydoll22 (If you stop growing as a person you live in your own private hell.)
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To: sasafras

Maybe they'll start rioting in Quebec!
it's france!


9 posted on 11/07/2005 2:18:11 PM PST by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ("Don't touch that thing")
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To: Lorianne
Why don't "they" talk to the immigrants who are successful? I'm pretty sure you'll get the answer.."We integrated..."
10 posted on 11/07/2005 2:18:53 PM PST by Dallas59 (“You love life, while we love death.” - Al-Qaeda / Democratic Party)
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To: sasafras


No, this isn't a Muslim thing - it's a drug dealing gang thing (cause we all know that tan/dark skinned North Africans are all drug dealers.)

HELLO? UN? AL SHARPTON? JESSE JACKSON? When you going to declare France a racist state? You do that when we say it in America.


11 posted on 11/07/2005 2:19:56 PM PST by Tzimisce
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To: babydoll22
The sad thing is that we will end up rescuing France again - I have been wondering what we (Bolton) will do when Jacque goes to Kofi for help (and I believe he will, sooner than later).
12 posted on 11/07/2005 2:20:53 PM PST by SF Republican
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To: Lorianne

Hey france, it's the muslims, you morons. Wake the hell up!


13 posted on 11/07/2005 2:21:03 PM PST by Spruce (Keep your mitts off my wallet)
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To: Lorianne

I originally read the title as "Poetry, Racism....." -- makes about as much sense.


14 posted on 11/07/2005 2:22:59 PM PST by FourPeas
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To: Lorianne

I think we've all just about had enough of this crap.


15 posted on 11/07/2005 2:23:30 PM PST by milford421
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To: babydoll22
The sad thing is that we will end up rescuing France again. Ugh.
16 posted on 11/07/2005 2:23:48 PM PST by FourPeas
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To: Spruce

17 posted on 11/07/2005 2:23:53 PM PST by Robe (Rome did not create a great empire by talking, they did it by killing all those who opposed them)
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To: Lorianne
..as reported by Islam on line...
the fact that the rioters had no entry zones where police were not allowed...the fact that they (muslims)don't want western law and order...the fact they will not assimilate..
...the fact that France has the third largest Jewish population in the world...the fact that the french are weak and not very comfortable enforcing the law in muslim neighborhoods has nothing to do with it..????

Doogle
18 posted on 11/07/2005 2:23:57 PM PST by Doogle (USAF...7thAF ..4077th TFW...408th MMS..Ubon Thailand.."69",,Night Line Delivery..AMMO)
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To: Doogle

Yes, Islam is Racist and where ever it goes it breeds poverty.


19 posted on 11/07/2005 2:26:02 PM PST by massgopguy (massgopguy)
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To: Lorianne
theories on the possible root causes



There are not enough eye-drops in this universe to soothe my eyes.
20 posted on 11/07/2005 2:26:14 PM PST by fanfan (" The liberal party is not corrupt " Prime Minister Paul Martin)
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To: SF Republican

If Bolton has any nads, he will make Chirac admit he was wrong about Iraq, make him commit troops to Iraq,arrest all french citizens involved in the oil for food scam, bend over and kiss his own ass and then resign. Then we will consider bailing them out.


21 posted on 11/07/2005 2:27:29 PM PST by babydoll22 (If you stop growing as a person you live in your own private hell.)
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To: Lorianne
This is a no win situation for the Left. The will have to admit that either French Socialism is systemically racist or that George Bush was right about Islamic terrorism. Ah, life is good!!
22 posted on 11/07/2005 2:28:40 PM PST by Reaganesque
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To: Thrusher

Isn't it strange that the impoverished yutes with first names like Jacques, Francoise, Pierre, etc. don't show up on
the police blotters.

Instead they are all Mahmoud, Talif, Mohammad, etc.


23 posted on 11/07/2005 2:30:02 PM PST by plangent
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To: babydoll22

France - Always there for us when she needs us.


24 posted on 11/07/2005 2:30:09 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: Lorianne

Muslims are burning Churches and Synagogues in Paris:

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3165579,00.html


25 posted on 11/07/2005 2:31:03 PM PST by milford421
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To: GeorgiaDawg32

Its a utopia alright, a liberal version of utopia.


26 posted on 11/07/2005 2:31:15 PM PST by Proud_USA_Republican (We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good. - Hillary Clinton)
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To: Lorianne
Tolerence = Blindness

I wonder how long before the Louvre burns?

This sad scene sure gives a whole new meaning to "French" Fries.

27 posted on 11/07/2005 2:32:12 PM PST by thingumbob (Now showing........W 2 ..........for 4 more years)
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To: plangent

I would love to have them try this in my cousin Vinny's neighborhood.


28 posted on 11/07/2005 2:32:25 PM PST by babydoll22 (If you stop growing as a person you live in your own private hell.)
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To: Lorianne

The ONLY poverty that lead to Rioting and Crime, is the poverty of morals and character...

Both of which seem in short supply among Islamanazi Muslims.

Semper Fi


29 posted on 11/07/2005 2:34:53 PM PST by river rat (You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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To: Lorianne
Yep, the solution is for the French to throw billions of francs at the muslims through social programs and make M. Chirac, Vilepain and Sarkozy go to sensitivity training. That'll solve the problem. Sure it will.
30 posted on 11/07/2005 2:36:51 PM PST by colorado tanker (I can't comment on things that might come before the Court, but I can tell you my Pinochle strategy)
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To: Lorianne

Racism is the problem. No doubt. The Racism of the African blacks who are rioting. But its a lot more fun to blame the victims. The story says these are 3rd generation immigrants, actually French citizens doing this, I got news for him over here we have 7th and 8th generation Americans of color doing the same thing, and they still blame it on the victims too.

Stop the BS of allowing some liberal idiot with a guilt complex of passing the blame off to people who work hard to earn a decent living just to have it destroyed by some lazy racist bastard with a hard on against the world because he isnt given as much as he thinks he deserves for sitting on his Azz.


31 posted on 11/07/2005 2:39:47 PM PST by sgtbono2002
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To: Lorianne
Europe needed immigrants for cheap labor, said another contributor to the BBC forum, Housam of Swindon, who was offended by French interior minister Nicolas Sarkozy's description of the rioters as "rabble."

[Response is to the "BBC contributor, not Lorianne":

"The indigenous Europeans always want it all: they want the immigrants to do the menial jobs they hate but they are not ready to deal with them on equal grounds as human beings.

Well, OK, he may have a point here, but these ARE the French. If the "BBC contributor" thought they REALLY wanted these north Africans because French culture wasn't rich enough already, well, that's just naive. They just wanted cheap black-market labor. (Reminds me of California liberals.)

Indigenous Europeans still live with the colonial mentality of superiority.

Well, let's be honest about something here. They ARE superior to this mob of illiterate street rabble. Yes, even the French.

Which says a lot about the quality of the immigrants...

32 posted on 11/07/2005 2:42:13 PM PST by Kenton (Muslims want to play by their own version of "girls' rules")
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To: Lorianne
"The indigenous Europeans always want it all: they want the immigrants to do the menial jobs they hate but they are not ready to deal with them on equal grounds as human beings.

Well, of course they want it all. Why else import a menial-job-doing underclass?

And why, pray tell, if one goes to the trouble of importing menials, with all that this entails, would one entertain the notion of having a social relationship with the menials one went to the trouble of importing to muck out the commodes in the first place?

Heh. (/sarc)

33 posted on 11/07/2005 2:44:23 PM PST by surely_you_jest
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To: Lorianne
I'm shocked to see that islamonline is not blaming TROP™ for the French riots.
34 posted on 11/07/2005 3:02:43 PM PST by Let's Roll ( "Congressmen who ... undermine the military ... should be arrested, exiled or hanged" - A. Lincoln)
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To: Lorianne

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,174745,00.html

Here's an article from that needs a barf alert attached to it. More appeasement. They just don't get it.


35 posted on 11/07/2005 3:03:43 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Lorianne

You would think the Mooslems would be more grateful to France for not supporting the war and all. </sarc


36 posted on 11/07/2005 3:04:50 PM PST by manwiththehands ("They wanted a Harley, they got a Scooter Libby." -Don Surber)
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To: Lorianne

Poverty is a classification. The shantytown residents are not in fact in poverty; they are cut out from the benefits of capitalism. Racism is a secondary issue having more political overtones than economic. The solution is integration, not of the people, but of their property rights into the national registration system. There is a lot of potential capital in shantytown if they would do this.


37 posted on 11/07/2005 3:07:35 PM PST by RightWhale (Repeal the law of the excluded middle)
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To: Lorianne
This sort of thing is going on in dozens of places around the world. What’s funny is that this time it’s caused by poverty, but in other places it’s caused by rebels, or a break-away state, or insurgences, or by being occupied, and the news media has several other reasons I’ve missed.

The bottom-line is that Muslims routinely take-over an area and then insist that Muslim laws be the law of the land – even though the land might eventually be North America (USA).

The basic reason for these riots is that the French police dared to come into “their” community to enforce French law. Where the Muslim now live belongs to Islam, not the French. Annandale, Northern VA could be next.

Every hostile conflict occurring on the face of the earth today is being initiated by Islam and its followers. Am I wrong? In this country our only shortfalls are being caused by unions, Democrats, Hollywood, and the so-called Main Stream Media. But my point is that Islam is a world problem and needs a fix.
38 posted on 11/07/2005 3:18:58 PM PST by Dale 1
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To: GeorgiaDawg32

No UTOPIA??? Who woulda thunk the bleeding edge socialist society fails!!!


39 posted on 11/07/2005 3:21:48 PM PST by Toidylop
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To: Reaganesque
This is a no win situation for the Left. The will have to admit that either French Socialism is systemically racist or that George Bush was right about Islamic terrorism. Ah, life is good!!
You forgot the third option, which is to ignore it completely.
40 posted on 11/07/2005 3:28:34 PM PST by fmonkey
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To: Lorianne

They blame this on everything BUT the Islamic culture, which prevents them from integrating into French society.


41 posted on 11/07/2005 3:30:49 PM PST by Godzilla ( How do I set a laser printer to stun?)
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To: Lorianne

They're all wrong. Since the media has forced themselves to avoid reporting the real cause then they need another one. Even though they'll try blaming President Bush, it won't work.

May I suggest it's all a conspiracy led by French car dealers to increase sales.


42 posted on 11/07/2005 3:35:48 PM PST by Hillarys Gate Cult
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To: Lorianne

"Poverty, Racism Blamed for French Riots"

Hah, if true, all of Islam would have been up in flames 24/7 from day one.


43 posted on 11/07/2005 3:51:34 PM PST by Ursus arctos horribilis ("It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees!" Emiliano Zapata 1879-1919)
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