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New Orleans Levee Failure Assessment - Part V
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Posted on 11/07/2005 8:54:03 PM PST by jeffers

New Orleans Levee Failure Analysis - Part V

Contents

Introduction and Basic Levee Construction, Section and Elevation Details
Section 1. Pre-Landfall Flooding in Kenner and Western Metairie of East Jefferson Parish
Section 2. Analysis of the 17th Street and London Canal Breaches and Post Katrina Flood Sequence in Downtown New Orleans
Section 3. Surge Sequence for the Industrial Canal Basin, Analysis of the Five Major Breaches and east Orleans Parish Flooding
Section 4. Flood Sequence for St. Bernard Parish and the Lower Ninth Ward, MRGO Reach Failure Analysis
Section 5. Contributory Causality, Political and Funding Issues Leading to Levee Failures




Introduction:

This is part five of a five part series analyzing and assessing the New Orleans flood resulting from landfall of Hurricane Katrina. Parts 1 through 4 can be found at the links below.

Part 1 is a timeline sequence of who reported what flood events and when it was reported. It can be found here:

Part I: Hurricane Katrina Flood Report Sequence


Part 2 is a discussion of the levee system's subsidence prior to Hurricane Katrina. It can be found here:

Part II: Pre-Katrina Levee Assessment


Part 3 is a discussion of the overall storm surge sequence and levee failure mechanisms relating to the 17th Street Canal and London Canal seawall breaches. It can be found here:

Part III: Downtown New Orleans Levee Failures


Part 4 is a discussion of breaching and topping in St. Bernards and east Orleans Parish. it can be found here:

Part IV: New Orleans Levee Failure Assessment


Some elements of this discussion will occur out of the sequence in which they occurred, to facilitate understanding of the processes involved, and to minimize the bandwidth required to download similar images more than once. The correct sequence would be

1. Pre-Katrina Flooding in Kenner
2. MRGO Topping and Breaching
3. Industrial Canal Breaching
4. St. Bernard Parish Flooding
5. Flooding from the 17th and London Canal Breaches

In this discussion, issues involving the 17th Street Canal and London Canal Breaches are instead discussed immediately following the PreKatrina Kenner Flooding, since both sets of events affected overlapping areas and use similar graphics.

Analysis and conclusions for levee failures and flooding in Plaquemines Parish is largely omitted in this effort. The Plaquemines levees were designed for a maximum Categtory 3 storm, were instead subject to Category 4 winds and Category 5 storm surge, and simply failed under loads that exceeded anything they were designed to withstand.



Basic Levee Construction

Two main types of levee protection systems were in general use prior to Katrina's landfall, one being older earthen levees, modernized and raised with the addition of concrete capwalls, commonly referred to as an I-wall, and typically in service around downtown New Orleans and the Industrial Canal area, and the other being earthen levees in use around the remaining three sides of east Orleans and St. Bernard Parish.

The following images detail typical examples of the concrete capwall (I-wall) type levees in use around downtown New Orleans and the Industrial Canal, and were obtained from Army Corps of Engineers Field Engineering Manuals, specifically "Design and Construction of Levees", "Retaining and Flood Walls", and "Design of Sheet Pile Walls", all available at:

CoE Engineering Manuals http://www.usace.army.mil/inet/usace-docs/eng-manuals/em.htm

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In the case of the 17th Street and London Canal levees, the sheet piles were driven to depths of 17.5 and 16 feet respectively.


The image below is a typical cross section of an earthen levee, similar to the type in service along the northern, eastern, and southern reaches of east Orleans and St. Bernards Parishes.

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Generally, the failed sections of earthen levee around St. Bernard and east Orleans Parishes do not appear to have included sheetpiling or other core construction. In a very few instances, evidence of a sheetpile core is now exposed and in general, these occurrences tend to be present where older pre-existing canals and natural waterways cut across the levee's intended location, probably due to recognition that otherwise seepage and percolation would be more of a problem at these locations.


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To: mom4kittys

That's good to know, I'll keep it in the "possible" drawer for future reference.

I'm not sure I got this across in the main text, and it leads to something I left out, so...

Here's a pile of dirt, 700 feet long, 30 to 50 feet thick, the old levee embankment. On top of it is a concrete wall, eyeball says 10 feet tall, and the specs say 2 feet thick at the base, 1 foot thick at the top, each lineal foot of capwall weighing about, oh, twelve lineal feet of concrete sidewalk, a LOT of weight.

We know it failed, which means that the water pressure at some point exceeded the I-Wall's resistance to lateral displacement, which further means that at some earlier point the opposing forces exactly balanced.

Ever drive around a curve on ice and feel your car go "up on her toes" on the edge of a skid?

Seven hundred feet of heavy earthen embankment and concrete was balanced like that, essentially resting on ball bearings, before it failed. Because we know the weak layer was extensive, probably orders of magnitude more levee was in that perfectly balanced condition or very close to it at some point during the storm's passage.

Not to scare you, because any breach wider than the width of the canal where it connects to the Lake will not speed the flooding of the city up by much, whether it's a foot wider than the canal outlet, or a mile wider than the canal outlet. A wider breach will drain the canal faster, but then the limiting factor becomes the narrowest point in the canal between Lake and breach.

Anyway, the point here is, while large sections of levee were in such a precarious position, just about anything coud have caused a breach. A disruption from a felled tree's root ball thirty years ago in the embankment, one nutria tunnel, one shingle blown off a neighboring house and hitting the levee at 85 mph might have done it. A non-compliant swimming pool excavation could be akin to a speeding locomotive broadsiding your car on the icy curve by comparison. Yes, that would certainly do the trick.

While the 17th Street Canal breach is under discussion, the subject of the old court case involving the contractor who claimed weak soil needs to be addressed. MSNBC linked to an online version of the judge's decision in that case, but plastered their logo all over it so you couldn't read it.

That wasn't an accident. They didn't want you to read it because it blew their whole story line out of the water. The best laid plans, however...

If you really want to read it, you need to download the PDF file, open it, and open an image browser. Flip to page 2, hold your finger over the "Prtscrn" (Print screen) key on your keyboard, flip back to page 1, and hit Printscreen before the NBC logo loads, it is the last layer to be rendered. Then just go to your image browser, open a New image, paste the clipboard contents to the image, zoom to 100% and read what they never wanted you to read.

The judge's decision clearly demonstrates that this case involved a less than competent contractor trying to scam his way out of a jam.

Basically, he failed to brace his concrete forms properly, and the wet concrete pushed them around, and the wall sections set-up ("dried" to most people) crooked.

When the Corps of Engineers called him on it, he said the CoE had misrepresented conditions at the worksite. The CoE said to state their case in writing, make an official report describing what the contractor was claiming the CoE said about the worksite that turned out not to be true.

The contractor took a very long time responding to that request, basically giving the CoE the report shortly before the case went to court.

The contractor claimed that the CoE misrepresented the strength of the soil.

The CoE replied, "How would you know? You never bothered to request our soil testing data before submitting a bid. All the OTHER companies did. In fact, you never requested the data at all until your concrete went crooked due to sloppy form bracing and we called you on it."

At that point the contractor claimed that weak soil allowed the form brace anchors to wobble.

The CoE's response was that it was poor construction practice to try and brace forms to support heavy wet concrete on anchors driven only six feet in the ground, and that further, the CoE had no say in bracing techniques, that responsibility for bracing was explicitly assigned to the contractor in the standard contract that he had signed, and that finally, another contractor nearby had performed flawless work under the same conditions.

The judge was not amused, the contractor did NOT win the case, the contractor later went bankrupt, and NBC plastered their logo all over the "supporting documents" for their story because they didn't want you to read those documents, because then you would know that their whole "CoE Warned About Weak Soil Long Before Katrina" storyline was a pile of nutria squat.

An unproven....no....actually a disproven claim of "weak soil" at six feet below grade, has exactly zero bearing on a demonstrated weak layer at 15 to 20 feet below grade.

All it accomplishes is to demonstrate how far NBC is willing to go to pin the blame anywhere besides where it actually belongs.


21 posted on 11/08/2005 8:29:15 AM PST by jeffers
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To: jeffers

Bump


22 posted on 11/08/2005 8:39:41 AM PST by TYVets (God so loved the world he didn't send a committee)
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To: Arizona Carolyn

The media might make use of some of this information, there is a demonstrated market for levee failure information considering how many other stories they've printed. Then again, they might not be interested, this early, anyway.

No matter. I want this to gel for a while, and I've got some catching up to do around the homestead, which will allow the engineer and construction types here to poke holes in the analysis if possible so problems can be addressed and cleaned up if they surface.

Then I plan to point Al Naomi and a few other CoE types here, so they will know which way the wind is set to blow and make sure they don't step into a pile of weak soil.

If they don't poke any substantiated, logical holes in it, the next step is the Senate Investigative Committee.

By the time their report is completed or before, I expect the media might have to mention it, on page 29D if nothing else.

No matter.

The Senate Investigation Report is what will decide...oh....about 250 billion dollars worth of wrongful death and damage resulting from malicious negligence lawsuits.

Those suits in turn have significant impact on Louisiana's financial viability over the long term, and most importantly, the re-election hopes of certain politicians.

Reporters will be reporters.

And lawyers will be lawyers.

Obtaining justice, like many other projects, is often a matter of selecting the proper tools and techniques. In this case, certain people simply cannot allow the truth to surface and survive. They seem to think the matter will be settled in the court of public opinion, and that since they hold good cards there, they will get off scott free.

They may have miscalculated.


23 posted on 11/08/2005 8:45:14 AM PST by jeffers
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To: Ellesu

No.

Thank you.

For those of you not familiar with Ellesu's work, she has put in countless hours researching and posting information from Louisiana and other sources that help the rest of us understand how things work down there.

Without that data, much of the content of these levee assessments would not have been possible.

If anyone deserves a National Medal it is you.


24 posted on 11/08/2005 8:49:37 AM PST by jeffers
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To: syriacus
That is a great idea, I hope Jeffers follows through with your suggestion (if he hadn't already thought of it himself).

This information deserves attention. I was at my massage therapist last night and she was telling me what one of her demoncrat clients was telling her as gospel about NOLA.... couldn't be farther from reality... for instance... did you know they couldn't use the buses because the buses were defective because the state is/was so poor that they couldn't afford to get them fixed? or... the old levees broke because they didn't have the money to fix them...

So, yes, this information needs to be out and get some play.

25 posted on 11/08/2005 3:03:00 PM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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To: jeffers

I've been in awe of your diligence on this since the very beginning of this whole debacle. Thank you!


26 posted on 11/08/2005 3:09:31 PM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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To: jeffers; Ellesu

Ellesu my hat is off to you as well... thank you and Jeffers.


27 posted on 11/08/2005 3:10:28 PM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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To: jeffers

You are too kind. Thanks.


28 posted on 11/08/2005 3:37:51 PM PST by Ellesu (www.thedeadpelican.com)
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To: Arizona Carolyn

Thank You.


29 posted on 11/08/2005 3:38:48 PM PST by Ellesu (www.thedeadpelican.com)
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To: jeffers

This is supposes to zoom in the house with the pool by the break--I can't make it work but you may have to piece this link together to find it. Let me know if you get it to work.

http://maps.google.com/maps?
q=17th+street+canal+New+Orleans,+LA+70124&ll=30.018041,-
90.120367&spn=0.003698,0.006951&t=k&hl=en


30 posted on 11/08/2005 3:45:54 PM PST by mom4kittys
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To: Brilliant; Gumdrop; nuconvert; visitor; Barnyard; carola; 1903A3; babble-on; Conspiracy Guy; ...
Levee Assessment Update 1

1. ASCE Preliminary Report, Conclusion Similarities and Dissimilarities

2. Non-Compliant Swimming Pool at 17th Street Canal Breach?

3. New Orleans Soil and Levee Viability

4. Feds Open Criminal Probe into Levee Failures



1. American Society of Civil Engineers Preliminary Report

The ASCE has issued a preliminary report including their preliminary findings and data resulting from their investigations. It can be found here.

ACSE Preliminary Report

One of the primary authors also testified before the Senate Katrina Investigation Committee, his testimony is available here.

Seed Testimony

I find it interesting that several news articles reference this report and testimony along with claims that the levees were not built to design specifications, and that construction "malfeasance" was a factor in the levee failures, when neither the testimony , nor the report contain substantiating evidence supporting either claim. It is too early to tell if such evidence exists, or if these reports are based in political maneuver on the part of either authors, the reporting agency, or both.

The ASCE Preliminary Report agrees with many of the conclusions reached in the Levee Failure Analysis heading this thread, including:

1. Direct failure mechanism in the 17th Street and London Canal breaches.

2. Minimal funneling effect at the MRGO Intercoastal Waterway junction.

3. Minimal topping and breaching along the Intercoastal Waterway.

4. Significant breaching and resultant flooding near the Lakeview Airport in northwest east Orleans Parish.

The two reports begin to diverge on the subject of breaching which occurred at levee transitions. Although the ASCE report does bring to light a few additional legitimate cases of breaching at transitions, such as the breach at the southwest corner of the main Industrial Canal Basin, and the breach near the Lakeview Airport, they discuss nowhere enough of them to substantiate media claims that "most" or even "many" of the tens or hundreds of breaches occurred in this manner.

Additionally, they include at least three breaches in this category which is not supported by the empirical evidence presented. In one instance they include a photo of a sundered sheetpile curtain along the north boundary of the Intercoastal Waterway which does represent transitions, in that the sheet pile curtain blocks an opening in the typical levee along that section, but the failure as shown is entirely limited to the sheetpile failure itself, not the different construction design on either side of it.

In another instance, they present a breach immediately south of the Bienvenue Floodgate as being a transitional breach, which it is, but the US Army Corps of Engineers has claimed that this was a deliberate breach made to allow floodwaters to flow out of the habitated areas.

In a third discussion, the ASCE report labels evidence of topping south and west of the I-10 bridge over the Industrial Canal a breach, and claims it to be transition related, when in fact, this area was more likely subject to a massive standing wave spilling sideways, and the "transition" is where additional protection from a roadway and rail embankment most likely prevented a full breach.

While the Preliminary Report does make a good case for closer inspection at, and probable design improvements at levee transitions, it falls significantly short of earlier media claims that breaching at transitions was the primary cause for the flooding of the city.

Finally, the ASCE report addresses neither of the two most important conclusions or possibilities raised and discussed in the Failure Assessment:
1. Convincing correlation between full and partial breaches on the MRGO and known incidents of pre-storm subsidence, raising significant concerns regarding past, present and future levee maintenence responsibilities.
2. The possibility that bridge related hydrodynamic laminar or turbulent stormsurge flow was responsible for the locations of the Canal levee failures. In fact, the ASCE Preliminary Report unknowingly further substantiates this possibility, in providing evidence of a near breach in the distressed section of the levee directly across the canal from the northern London Canal breach. Out of now four known breaches or near breaches in New Orleans Canal Levee system, all four are in close proximity to bridge structures. Without processor intensive modelling of the flows around these bridges, it is impossible to know the effects, if any, that piers, abutments or foundation structures may have on adjoining levee sections.



2. Non-compliant Swimming Pool at 17th Street Canal Breach

An FR member raised an interesting theory in an earlier post, that a non-compliant swimming pool may have contributed to the I-wall failure on the 17th Canal protective system.

The following image indicates potential substantiation of this theory:

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The above image is a mosaic of two photographs, the left pane being a pre-storm overhead image obtained from Terraserver, and the right pane being a post-Katrina overhead image obtained from NOAA.

The violet arrows in the left pane indicate the extent of the levee breach, the red arrow in both panes indicates a structure which may be a screened swimming pool enclosure, and the blue arrow in both panes indicates what appears to be a free-form swimming pool in the pre-storm image.

The coincidence between the location of these two possible structures and the northern end of the 17th Street Canal breach mandates further investigation into this claim. As discussed earlier, with much of the Canal levee system resting on known weak soil, and with storm surge related forces in equilibrium with the levee system's ability to resist lateral displacement, very little would be required to tip the scales and result in breaching. The following image raises questions regarding this possibility, however:

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This image was obtained from the ASCE Preliminary Report, and show the results of LIDAR (Light Detection and Ranging, similar to radar except using coherent light from a laser as the probe) mapping of the area near the 17th Street Canal Breach. Note that this image is inverted, in relation to the previous mosaic, in this image, north is "down".

The approximate location of the possible pool enclosure and the possible free-form in ground pool are noted here using the same conventions noted above. The LIDAR map does not show topgraphic depressions in the area of either possible swimming pool. The LIDAR map does show, however, a deep scour near the southern end of the breach, what I would normally expect to find where the surge flow current was strongest and most prolonged. There is no visible evidence in the pre-storm imagery that corresponds with this scour at the southern extent of the Canal breach.

This is not conclusive, however, as the flow regime may well have been dynamic with respect to time, and may have resulted in scour deposits over and in both possible pool structures, filling and covering them.

Clearly, the interests of all concerned would be served by further research into this theory. Thanks to FReeper mom4kittys for the initial heads-up.



3. New Orleans Soil and Levee Viability

Numerous media reports, Legislators and Free Reopublic members have raised questions as to the long term viability of a levee system protecting New Orleans or any other city from flooding in a location lower than mean sea level.

There is absolutely no doubt that we can protect New Orleans, or any other similarly located city. The Dutch have protected their land, and more significantly, we have and continue to place men into earth orbit and on the surface of the moon in spite of conditions much more severe than anything a few feet or water can be expected to produce.

The technology exists, we can protect the city, but we can do a lot of things, solely because we can is not a compelling reason why we should. This issue comes to the very heart of my disquiet with ongoing processes involving the rebuilding of New Orleans. Were my opinion law, this entire effort would proceed as follows:

1. Preserve options. If we decide to rebuild New Orleans, there's no sense in saving a few millions of dollars now if it requires us to spend billions or more later on. Right now the focus should be on efficiently and economically saving and salvaging what we can, to prevent any further deterioration and loss, while the decision making process continues.

2. A cost/benefit/risk analysis should already be underway. We have a good idea how often similar hurricanes strike this area, we know generally what it will cost to protect against them at different levels of storm protection, we have a long history to study regarding the benefits of the city of New Orlean's size and location, the fact of this study should be a no-brainer, but as far as I'm aware, it hasn't even been suggested yet. To me, this is the fundamental first step in the rebuilding process. Without this study and conclusions derived there-from, we cannot begin to approach the rebuilding process with anything at all approaching foresight. With the results in hand, however, we would be in a position to evolve a global plan to approach the enormous task at hand, phase by phase and step by step capable of re-creating and improving what we have lost.

3. When I hire someone to manage a construction site for me, I expect them to manage certain issues on their own. I also expect them to consult with me if larger issues crop up, and I expect a competent manager to know when to decide for himself and when to consult with me. The same principle applies to government officials. Once the cost/benefit/risk data is obtained, I believe that the American people deserve a referendum to decide the best way to proceed from here. I do not believe that our elected government is empowered to decide questions of this magnitude without our input. The potential consequences are enormous, either way.

New Orleans represents significant National Infrastructure, one of our busiest ports, a nexus for scarce energy transit, several Universities, many of which have active and productive research programs, an unflooded nuclear plant, several airports, bridges, highways, water and snaitary systems, electrical grid, numerous high rise and commercial structures, a great historical wealth, and overall, an enormous integrated physical plant, once fully functional, requiring two hundred years to design, construct and improve, and you just do not walk away from the economic treasure an entire city represents without a depth of consideration.

On the other hand, there are numerous obstacles in trying to preseve the city as it once was. Its location is both exposed and subject to additional storms, and also the soils there are not ideal for constructing a safe haven. Even applying our best and brightest solutions, and all the funding we can afford, there is no guarantee of a return on the investment. In constructing protection against a category 5 storm, a stronger storm could occur, and mistakes now or later, not to mention malfeasance at any time, we could potentially lose our investment yet again.

Given that the American people will fund whatever decision is made, we should have the majority voice in the decision making process. One of the deciding issues for me is that I believe it is mathematically impossible to rebuild the city is such a way as to preserve our investment, with the current state and local leadership in place. By no process of interpolation or extrapolation can I find the variables requisite for success. Long term past history and current events up to date mandate a change in the governing powers there for any reconstruction process to enjoy even a chance of success.

4. It is a fundamental right in America to choose one's future for one's self. If the American general population turns out to be unconvinced that rebuilding the city is our best course, there should be no obstacles to others who believe differently striking out on their own. Even if we believe this isn't the best choice, if they wish to take and shoulder their own risks, and we try to stop them, then a vital part of the American spirit has been lost. I haven't decided what is best yet, because I believe that to do so without the cost/benefit/risk analysis results, would be irresponsible, regardless of which way the decision turned. But if the national consensus, based on the best data and analysis possible is "No", and former residents or anyone else chooses to go it alone, then not only do they deserve that chance, they also deserve any and all benefits and consequences resulting from their decision.

4. Federal Officials Open Criminal Probe into Levee Failures

"NEW ORLEANS

Federal prosecutors are conducting a criminal investigation into the levee failures that swamped New Orleans, looking into the possibility of corruption in the design, construction and maintenance of the flood barriers.

U.S. Attorney Jim Letten said Wednesday that his office began the investigation the week after Hurricane Katrina.

"The scope of our interest is very broad," he said. He said some officials were found to have undisclosed conflicts of interest, and "we're extremely concerned about those." He would not give details.

James Bernazzani, FBI agent in charge in New Orleans, said agents have received numerous tips about possible malfeasance."


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31 posted on 11/10/2005 5:11:57 PM PST by jeffers
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To: jeffers; JimWforBush; The SISU kid; lump in the melting pot; Wilhelm Tell; sauropod; ...

Ping to the FR Civil Engineerrs ping list.

Nice work Jeffers & Ellesu!

BTW, I kno walmost all of my CE pings have been on the NOLA levee failures. If you have something you thing the CE list may like, let me know, please.


32 posted on 11/10/2005 6:53:08 PM PST by Fierce Allegiance (Want to be on my Civil Engineers ping list? Just say so!)
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To: jeffers
RE: 3. New Orleans Soil and Levee Viability

I find myself in complete agreement on all points.

33 posted on 11/10/2005 7:57:27 PM PST by Bigun (IRS sucks @getridof it.com)
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To: jeffers
We know it failed, which means that the water pressure at some point exceeded the I-Wall's resistance to lateral displacement, which further means that at some earlier point the opposing forces exactly balanced.

A gallon of water weighs 8.2 lbs. Considering there were/are millions of gallons pushing against those levees all the time, any weak spot quickly becomes magnified.

34 posted on 11/10/2005 8:24:48 PM PST by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done needs to be done by the government.)
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To: jeffers
Awesome, intelligent, comprehensive, well-documented analysis and assessment.

People get M.S. and Ph.D. degrees for detailed, meticulous, correlated stuff like this.

Thanks -

35 posted on 11/10/2005 11:33:22 PM PST by SFConservative
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To: ftriggerf

bkmk sealevel of 17th street break?


36 posted on 11/11/2005 1:34:27 AM PST by ftriggerf
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To: jeffers
The above image clearly indicates topping of the Lake Pontchartrain levee immediately west of the London Canal outlet

This is not a photograph of the area immediately west of the London Avenue Canal. This is Lakeshore Drive at Lake Vista, which is west of Bayou St. John.

37 posted on 11/30/2005 12:29:21 PM PST by Mudbug
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To: Mudbug

While most people familiar with the area will agree with you, the statement is technically correct as written.

In the image, east is down, and from the lower edge of the photograph to the closest point of the London Canal is roughly 4800 feet.

The image used comes from NOAA, available here:

http://ngs.woc.noaa.gov/katrina/090E30A_KATRINA.HTM

The sequence of aerial images was captured such that each image overlapped the previous one by approximately 50%. In other words, moving from one photograph to an entirely new area immediately adjacent to the original view requires jumping over the next image in sequence.

In downloading these images for analysis, I used image 24425546 as baseline for the entrance for the London Canal. This is ambiguous as several images cover that area, but for clarity I designated that one as a reference point.

The next image west of there, 24425551 includes most of the area shown in the above image, but it is not the one I used. I jumped over the redundant area and used the second image west of 24425546 for this report, number 24425556.

To allow the display of greater detail, only part of image 24425556 was used. These are large, high resolution aerial images, measuring 4096 by 4096 pixels, while the referenced image in this report is no more than 1200 x 800 pixels. In looking at the small section of the image as displayed here, it would be difficult to believe that the next image fully displaced to the east would include the London Canal, but it does.

Regardless of technical accuracy, your point has merit. As displayed, the description of the image could raise confusion, and should have been worded better.

Thanks for pointing this out.


38 posted on 11/30/2005 2:07:22 PM PST by jeffers
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To: jeffers

That part of Lake Vista wasn't flooded. The lakefront levee didn't fail and the damage was on the exposed lake side of the levee. I don't see what this has to say about the breaks along either the 17th St. or London Ave. canals.


39 posted on 11/30/2005 7:08:03 PM PST by Mudbug
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To: jeffers

The highest levee elevation in this photo is situated where all the arrows point, not at the lower seawall that lies between the road (Lakeshore Dr) and the lake. The seawall is outside the floodgates.


40 posted on 11/30/2005 7:17:21 PM PST by Mudbug
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