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Dover results disputed: School board candidate says machine was faulty
The York Dispatch ^ | 11/10/2005 | Christina Kauffman

Posted on 11/11/2005 12:22:17 AM PST by jennyp

Residents have said they just want this election to be over, similar to the sentiment of many Americans after the 2000 presidential election.

But in the Dover Area School District, Tuesday's election is a bit more complicated.

There are no "hanging chads," but York County election officials are inspecting a faulty voting machine at Friendship Community Church on Fox Run Road that counted only one vote for incumbent school board candidate James Cashman.

John Scott, York County director of elections, said this morning that officials are looking into it, but declined further comment. "There's obviously something wrong," Cashman said yesterday.

The machine registered "001" votes for Cashman, who said other candidates running on the same platform received about 100 votes at the machine.

Tuesday, Cashman and seven other board
incumbents were narrowly defeated by eight members of Dover CARES (Citizens Actively Reviewing Educational Strategies).

Came in fifth: Cashman was running for a four-year seat on the board. Winning four-year seats were Dover CARES candidates Bernadette Reinking, Terry Emig, Herbert McIlvaine Jr. and Bryan Rehm. Dover CARES candidates oppose a statement in biology class about intelligent design.

Cashman and incumbent board members Sherrie Leber, Edward Rowand and Alan Bonsell were also seeking four-year seats.

Cashman finished 99 votes behind Bryan Rehm, the Dover CARES candidate receiving the fewest votes for one of four four-year seats, according to unofficial election night vote totals.

Rehm took 2,625 votes, compared to Cashman's 2,526 votes.

"Voters got cheated," Cashman said. "I'm not trying to make a mountain out of a molehill, but this is what happened."

Cashman said he has spoken to election officials, who are inspecting the machine to determine how it malfunctioned and whether an accurate count can be salvaged.

"Election officials are trying to determine what to do," he said. "It's obvious the voters are being cheated if they don't correct it, so they have to come up with something."

Cashman suggested calling former presidential candidate Al Gore for advice.

"It's not like I got 70 votes and I'm contesting it. I," Cashman said. "I got one vote on a machine that was obviously screwed up."

Judy McIlvaine was in the church as a poll watcher for Dover CARES when votes were counted. She said as election workers were reading vote counts, most of which were in the high 90s, "They read 001 and there was this sort of collective gasp and we said, 'Can't you just hit retrieve? No,'" McIlvaine said.

She said no one knows what the options are and added, "It's as though it's a soap opera that will never end."

Says motivation is fairness: Adding 100 votes to Cashman's total would place him one vote ahead of Rehm, but he said his motivation is fairness, not politics.

"This is not a plan by me to oust Bryan Rehm," he said. "I think I could have very well done it yesterday if (the machine had counted correctly)."

Rehm could not be reached for comment. The Rehm family's answering machine said its "memory is full" and wasn't accepting messages.

"We've been inundated with calls," said newly elected CARES candidate Larry Gurreri, who won a two-year term along with CARES candidates Judy McIlvaine and Patricia Dapp.

Incumbent board members seeking those seats were Eric Riddle, Ronald Short and Sheila Harkins. Seventy-eight votes separated Gurreri, who finished third, and Riddle, who finished fourth.

In the closest race -- for the two-year seat of former board member Bill Buckingham's unfulfilled term -- Dover CARES candidate Phil Herman edged school board member David Napierskie by 26 votes; 2,542 to 2,516.

With the exception of Cashman's machine complaint, no other protests have been lodged with the election office in the Dover Area School Board race.

And Gurreri said he doubts the result of the four-year seat election will change.

"We're watching and waiting," he said. "If there's something wrong with the machine, there's something wrong with the machine. How are they gonna prove that there was something wrong with the machine?"

"Of all the things to happen..." Gurreri said in a tired voice.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Pennsylvania
KEYWORDS: crevolist; dover; schoolboard; voterfraud
It's a conspiracy! The VASC has struck again!
1 posted on 11/11/2005 12:22:19 AM PST by jennyp
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To: <1/1,000,000th%; Aric2000; balrog666; BMCDA; CobaltBlue; Condorman; Dimensio; Doctor Stochastic; ...

Message to Darwin Central: The minion you hired turned the counter back WAY, WAY too far! Didn't you tell him that the preferred method is to turn the counter back by 10% or so over 10 machines? I demand that whichever minion was assigned this task be fired & made to turn in his jumpsuit. Geez, you can't get any good help anymore.


2 posted on 11/11/2005 12:27:17 AM PST by jennyp (WHAT I'M READING NOW: Art of Unix Programming by Raymond)
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To: jennyp
Cashman said he has spoken to election officials, who are inspecting the machine to determine how it malfunctioned

Note the assumption that it DID malfunction. Unless he can come up with sworn testimony of two voters he hasn't got much of a case.

3 posted on 11/11/2005 12:41:38 AM PST by adamsjas
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To: jennyp

If the minion is fired King County Washington would gladly employ whoever it is. They are always looking for new voting "tricks".


4 posted on 11/11/2005 12:42:04 AM PST by taxesareforever (Government is running amuck)
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To: adamsjas

OK, so he finds two voters who swear they voted for him. Now what. Do they get to run a re-vote in that area?


5 posted on 11/11/2005 12:45:50 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck
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To: taxesareforever
My thoughts is that the whole DNC took note of how Gregwhore stole the governor's seat and are using it nation wide. On a level playing field the little commie rats loose every time.
6 posted on 11/11/2005 12:52:57 AM PST by Lancer_N3502A
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To: jennyp
What happened in our town, was that the machine set itself back to zero when the count went over the capacity of that particular machine.

There was a larger than expected turnout and the entire election had to be done over.

7 posted on 11/11/2005 3:14:20 AM PST by OldFriend (The Dems enABLEd DANGER and 3,000 Americans died.)
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To: jennyp
I'm grateful for the ping, and of course I pray that electoral justice will be done in this case -- after long and costly litigation which further tears that woeful community apart -- but I can't deploy the ping list for this issue. Most of our 320 people probably don't care about the political career of one idiot creationist.
8 posted on 11/11/2005 3:55:40 AM PST by PatrickHenry (Expect no response if you're a troll, lunatic, retard, or incurable ignoramus.)
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To: PatrickHenry

But would you talk this way if one of the ape-men candidates had been screwed out of his votes? I think not.


9 posted on 11/11/2005 4:02:25 AM PST by kittymyrib
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To: b_sharp; Ichneumon; longshadow; CarolinaGuitarman; Thatcherite; MineralMan; Coyoteman; js1138; ...
Here's something to warm your heart -- an eBay auction for a plush toy in the image of our mighty Flying Spaghetti Monster.
10 posted on 11/11/2005 4:19:07 AM PST by PatrickHenry (Expect no response if you're a troll, lunatic, retard, or incurable ignoramus.)
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To: jennyp

This is something I didn't expect to happen in Dover..in
the City of York yes. A common tactic there is double voting I've heard. For York County, PA this is something.
Stay tuned..P.S. Maybe that's why they're bringing up Pat
Robertson. I didn't know the mainstream media watches "The
700 Club." The libs at the highest level (National Education Association H.Q.) want us to think about Pat
Robertson instead.


11 posted on 11/11/2005 4:41:38 AM PST by Nextrush (The Soviet Union died, but the National Education Association is alive and well)
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To: PatrickHenry

coolie!


12 posted on 11/11/2005 4:47:38 AM PST by King Prout (many accuse me of being overly literal... this would not be a problem if many were not under-precise)
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To: Nextrush

It doesn't matter. Pat Robertson has pronounced:

“I’d like to say to the good citizens of Dover. If there is a disaster in your area, don’t turn to God, you just rejected Him from your city. And don’t wonder why He hasn’t helped you when problems begin, if they begin. I’m not saying they will, but if they do, just remember, you just voted God out of your city. And if that’s the case, don’t ask for His help because he might not be there.”

Whatever happens to the good people of Dover is now... exactly what? Noah's Flood killed lots of innocent unborn and toddlers, didn't it?

Probably the rain comes to the just and unjust about equally. Same as before.


13 posted on 11/11/2005 4:51:38 AM PST by thomaswest
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To: PatrickHenry

It's at almost $250; too rich for my blood. If they could mass produce them and sell them at say $15 each.... :)


14 posted on 11/11/2005 5:34:04 AM PST by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is a grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: jennyp
Oh, this is rich! If a fossil is missing in a sequence, the creationists insist that it must never have existed. Now we are supposed to believe that a given number of votes existed to fill some perceived gap, just because it seems reasonable that they should have been there?
15 posted on 11/11/2005 5:55:57 AM PST by Physicist
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To: Physicist

Inference is a harsh mistress.


16 posted on 11/11/2005 5:56:56 AM PST by js1138 (Great is the power of steady misrepresentation.)
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17 posted on 11/11/2005 5:57:08 AM PST by Junior (From now on, I'll stick to science, and leave the hunting alien mutants to the experts!)
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To: adamsjas

Ah, I see Big Al Gore is still with us.


18 posted on 11/11/2005 7:05:23 AM PST by furball4paws (One of the last Evil Geniuses, or the first of their return.)
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To: jennyp
Says motivation is fairness: Adding 100 votes to Cashman's total would place him one vote ahead of Rehm...

... And adding 600 votes to Al Gore's Florida total would have made him POTUS, at least up to Jan, 2005.

19 posted on 11/11/2005 7:17:21 AM PST by VadeRetro (Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Now what. Do they get to run a re-vote in that area?

Yep...

20 posted on 11/11/2005 7:19:42 AM PST by kjam22
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To: VadeRetro

Florida's circumstance was different. Voters did not follow the instructions and cast a readable ballot. In this case the machine is clearly screwed up. The election board has no real choice except to disqualify the election for this office and have a re-vote.


21 posted on 11/11/2005 7:21:44 AM PST by kjam22
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To: PatrickHenry

Ha! Bidding is past $242.


22 posted on 11/11/2005 9:43:01 AM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: taxesareforever
If the minion is fired King County Washington would gladly employ whoever it is. They are always looking for new voting "tricks".

LOL, so true. So true.

23 posted on 11/11/2005 11:33:16 AM PST by jennyp (WHAT I'M READING NOW: Art of Unix Programming by Raymond)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
OK, so he finds two voters who swear they voted for him. Now what. Do they get to run a re-vote in that area?

I don't know. I suggest they check local law to determine that.

My point was simply they hadn't done any homework, they just stared in disbelief at that number and decided it had to be wrong. Just like Gore did.

24 posted on 11/11/2005 11:37:05 AM PST by adamsjas
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To: jennyp

TURN THOSE MACHINES BACK ON! TURN THOSE MACHINES BACK ON!


25 posted on 11/11/2005 11:38:20 AM PST by Clemenza (In League with the Freemasons, The Bilderbergers, and the Learned Elders of Zion)
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To: Nextrush; kjam22

The morons lost and now "blame the machines" just like the morons did in Ohio.


26 posted on 11/11/2005 11:39:30 AM PST by Clemenza (In League with the Freemasons, The Bilderbergers, and the Learned Elders of Zion)
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To: Clemenza
TURN THOSE MACHINES BACK ON! TURN THOSE MACHINES BACK ON!

                        

"Let dem touch dose tings one more tiiime........."

27 posted on 11/11/2005 11:52:25 AM PST by Libertarian444
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To: Clemenza

the election was won 51% to 49%...do you actually think on this machine only 1 vote was correct?

of course not

your passion has clouded your sensibility on this one and you take the opportunity to call people names...again with the misdirected passion

I doubt you prefer to "win" this way


28 posted on 11/11/2005 12:26:26 PM PST by wallcrawlr (http://www.bionicear.com)
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To: wallcrawlr

Well, they can always demand a hand recount. I think the results will show that the snake handlers still lost this one.


29 posted on 11/11/2005 12:29:29 PM PST by Clemenza (In League with the Freemasons, The Bilderbergers, and the Learned Elders of Zion)
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To: jennyp

Thanks for posting this. Very curious.


30 posted on 11/11/2005 12:34:07 PM PST by LikeLight
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To: jennyp

So how many voters showed up, and how many votes were cast for others?

Then they may have a contention that a machine undercounted the votes for this slimeball politician!


31 posted on 11/11/2005 12:45:24 PM PST by aShepard
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To: Clemenza

sheesh..youre a broken record


32 posted on 11/11/2005 12:49:26 PM PST by wallcrawlr (http://www.bionicear.com)
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To: wallcrawlr
You realize you're an alcoholic when you repeat yourself.

You realize you're an alcoholic when you repeat yourself.

33 posted on 11/11/2005 12:51:55 PM PST by Clemenza (In League with the Freemasons, The Bilderbergers, and the Learned Elders of Zion)
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To: jennyp
This just confirms my observation that the Creationist behavior wise are exactly like the Liberals.

They lie, they use soundbites over substance, repeat the same ignorant arguments ad nausea, spew hate, accuse their opponents of doing what they are doing, play the victim card/persecution complex, etc.

and now when they lose at the ballot box, just like the liberals, instead of realizing the majority of people ain't buying what they are selling they now claim voter irregularities

34 posted on 11/11/2005 1:07:56 PM PST by qam1 (There's been a huge party. All plates and the bottles are empty, all that's left is the bill to pay)
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To: qam1
Makes it an easy thing to do correctly, though, doesn't it?
35 posted on 11/11/2005 4:47:30 PM PST by VadeRetro (Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
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To: qam1
and now when they lose at the ballot box, just like the liberals, instead of realizing the majority of people ain't buying what they are selling they now claim voter irregularities

You know, he may well have won if the machine had been working properly. It does sound like it was broken, though, so if they do force a new election for that seat I wouldn't be upset.

Besides, if they re-ran the race & he won, the creos would still be outnumbered by the rational members by 7-2.

36 posted on 11/11/2005 9:31:40 PM PST by jennyp (WHAT I'M READING NOW: Art of Unix Programming by Raymond)
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To: Nextrush
Maybe that's why they're bringing up Pat Robertson. I didn't know the mainstream media watches "The 700 Club." The libs at the highest level (National Education Association H.Q.) want us to think about Pat Robertson instead.

Actually, Pat Robertson is secretly in on the conspiracy. He pops up like a groundhog every once in a while to say something stupid and divert attention from things like this vote stealing by godless heathens.
37 posted on 11/11/2005 9:44:15 PM PST by drjimmy
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To: jennyp
The machine registered "001" votes for Cashman,

Is that you Gore Cashman? I say Cashman got one more vote than he should have!!!

38 posted on 11/12/2005 9:00:28 AM PST by shuckmaster (Bring back SeaLion and ModernMan!)
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To: shuckmaster

The other incumbents got around 100 votes...even the Dover
CARES observer at the polling place said it looked strange.
This is no Algore. This machine gave the other people running with Cashman around 100 votes and him only 1. Something happpened.


39 posted on 11/13/2005 1:42:53 AM PST by Nextrush (The Soviet Union died, but the National Education Association is alive and well)
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To: Clemenza

The other people running with Cashman had around 100 votes on that machine and he only showed up with one. Even Dover
CARES acknowledges that it looks funny. Sorry, no Algore here.


40 posted on 11/13/2005 1:46:12 AM PST by Nextrush (The Soviet Union died, but the National Education Association is alive and well)
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Spaghetti ex machina placemarker.


41 posted on 11/13/2005 1:52:40 AM PST by js1138 (Great is the power of steady misrepresentation.)
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