Posted on 11/16/2005 9:36:07 PM PST by SierraWasp
Now, the question is how do we get Arnie into the dump truck? (and how do we get Sen. Tom to sign on???)
Now for the reality: It ain't going to happen.
Well that's absolutely true as long as we let the perpetual defeatists even here in the hotbed of conservative activism dominate the discussion with defeatism and dire predictions of interminable incrimentalism and other pussey thinking!!!
As for me and my house, I will serve the idea of implementing an attitude of refusing to accept the unacceptable pall of liberal to muderate muddleheadedness in CA politics under any circumstances, even the indefensable circumstances we find ourselves in at the moment, thanks to CAGOP's idiotic lack of sane leadership!!!
Why is there a disconnect between CA FReepers and the Party "Leadership?" Why aren't CA FReepers either seeking positions of leadership themselves, or working their way into the hearts of associates that could afford to seek positions of leadership, or even calling the current so-called "Leaders" into question in an effort to put the wheels back on the party apparatus, including a working steering wheel? (aka a working platform) The old one was thrown out the window clear back in 1998!!!
Any comments I have made about the "the guy in office" are well deserved.
The GOP really messed up because they had a candidate who could have succeeded if they only backed him. Instead they chose to support a RINO. So asking me about what other hero from the GOP should be run makes no sense. Plenty of people could run who have conservative credentials, but they will not get the financial and other support form the CA GOP because the CA GOP has been taken over by the RINOS. In fact, most of the central committees in this state have as well. Look at the district of Rep. Doolittle. There is a battle to stop the RINOs from taking over that district. They are using the same tactics that were used to take over other central committees in the state. The state GOP refuses to protect itself from those that would take it over and subvert its platform.
I dunno about "dumping" (openly, anyway) him, but it would be great if Arnold sorta ... stepped aside for Tom McClintock this time. Maybe Arnold could get the nomination and THEN step aside, on the understanding that the nom would go to Tom? I'm unsure how that works. Anyway, I can dream.
Tom (one must assume) *only* chose not to run for the top office out of a sense of party loyalty. If Arnold is a millstone around the party's neck, though, then he should get out and go make "King Conan" ^^
That is true that the CA GOP stinks and sells good candidates down the river. But Arnold won no thanks to their help, and my question to you remains, who could win? Name names, don't get give me the old 'all kinds of conservatives could win' nonsense. McClintock couldn't have won even with the lame state party backing because he isn't well liked, and this continues to be the case. And Arnold's prop elections were not a RINO move, in my opinion, but rather an attempt to bipass the dumb-sses in Sacratomato, in hopes that the voters would use their brains as they did to recall Gray Davis. Arnold was outspent and out t.v. advertised, again, no thanks to the CAGOP.
In the interest of clarification...
I don't know yet, SW. Have to think about both.
This is borrowed from ElkGroveDan's page:
"The mentality that only liberal Republicans can win in Democrat leaning states is naive and simplistic.
"In fact the opposite is true. Democrats don't vote across party lines for candidates that are similar, they vote across party lines for candidates that offer something their party is LACKING, such as prolife and profamily moral direction."
I do think that Tom could win today for Gov. Two differences between '06 and '03:
1) Tom's built his popularity since '03, including respected name-recognition; and
2) '06 is a general election that follows a primary, whereas '03 was a "plurality wins" recall election in which it maybe made more sense to vote "Bustamante prevention."
I really do think that in '06, Tom could win and WOULD win if he were nominated.
You couldn't be any more absolutely correct!!!
The really upsetting thing is, hedgetrimmer, is that THEY'RE HERE!!! (right here on FR!!!)
They're the ones pounding CA conservatives and especially Freepers with the self-fulfilling prophecy that conservatism cannot win in CA and must subject it'self at the very most, to incrementalism of an interminable nature to even subsist at a low level in CA's "New & Improved" GOP!!!
They are taking particular delight in the idea that we don't seem to have a champion at the moment and are determined to put down the only potential possiblity as a 13%er! (just in case McClintock should ever stick his head up again)
They do not dare allow us to criticize the big celebrity blowhard while we discuss the falicies being foisted upon Cauleeforneeyuns as somehow conservative friendly governmental policies! The conservative conversation must be "dissed" as divisive and harmful in their way of thinking! You know, it's "Be reasonable! See it my way!" (otherwise you should be cast into outer darkness)
Now that the special election is over, as well as the Recall election, the feeling of "The New Majority" is that those scary "righteous conservatives" are to be permanently marginalized and never allowed to regain Party positions that were once worked for and earned, but from which they have now been squeezed, or at best are ignored should they still hold said positions.
Third Party efforts are an exercise in futility! Only restoration of righteous conservative representation and majority restoration of a respectable Party Platform that is enforced through a democratic process will work to regain conservative influences throughout CA Republicanism as it thrived in the first half of the last decade and in the Reagan years before that.
Rodger Hedgecock, filling in for Rush Limbaugh today just said: "It is time to declare war on Republican moderates!" I would hope that war would at least start right here on FR!!!
In my opinion, the political climate has gotten worse for someone like McClintock, not better. Simon said over and over in his campaign that Davis had run us $20 billion in debt. No one listened. The unions have flexed their gigantic muscle and demonstrated that they control this state. They have their power and they like it, and they're not giving it up.
As Don McLean sang:
"...Perhaps they'll listen, now."
As if the state GOP was doing all that well before Arnold came on the scene.
Good ideas and good people that can sell those ideas are the ONLY thing that can overcome the leftist/unionist mob muscle!!!
And I meant to include, "the money to get them seen and heard!"
They weren't listening when Simon said it. They listened when Arnold said it and got elected. Then when the unions said Arnold was hurting the children, they stopped listening again.
Waspman, it's not the mudderites that are in the way this time. It's some of the cream of the main stream republican party that have chosen to step back for a while and let the muddy water pass by. Mark hasn't gotten used to the difference between Phlly and Sacto yet, or he might not have given voice to the truths he spoke. We need more than displeasure, we need a plan.
The ideas from the Reagan era were not any of these things, but the left has succeeded in framing them in these false frameworks. Just last night on KTVU Channel 2 in Oakland on the 6:PM news the newsreadingbabe repeated the big lie that Reagan caused that lady to throw her three kids in the bay to die because she should have been in a state mental hospital that Reagan closed in the 60's!
Prop 75 is still a GREAT idea, but it will never pass in a special, low turn-out election that the Unions can manipulate perception with less money on advertising like they just did!!! Of course, we'll have a little time now to show CA that the inmates really are running the asylum and really are running it right into the ground through the voter's pocketbooks!!!
Well, of course! We need to plan our work, then work our plan! That's also called a "platform!" The problem is that there are two types of power. 1. Institutional power and 2. Personality power. Whenever personality power takes over an institution, the "plan/platform" goes by the wayside. Sometimes, even the "government of laws" of laws goes by the wayside and we end up in dictatorship or close to it!
Right now, I don't think the CAGOP has ANY institutional power that is derived through a democratic process to regain and then retain a righteous conservative plan of attack on matters of CA public policy when the institution/Party takes power back where it belongs. Democrats/Liberals are much better at developing "institutional power" as are the ants in ant-hills!
Conservatives tend to admire the successful individual to the point of falling into the Personality Power Trap! And we did during the Recall election!!! The Recall also defeated our Primary Process making this lapse more possible and now the Party prematurely endorsed the personality long before next June's Primary stealing all Party members chance of putting up any other challenge to the personality who would certainly have failed such a challenge, without doubt!!!
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