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Mark Williams Says GOP Must Dump Arnold (Threat to CAGOP)
Sacramento Union Website ^ | 11/9/05 | Mark Williams

Posted on 11/16/2005 9:36:07 PM PST by SierraWasp

Mark Williams Says GOP Must Dump Arnold
Special Opinion Article by KFBK (1530 AM) Radio Host Mark Williams

Published: November 9, 2005 14:49 | Last Updated: November 16, 2005, 6:26 pm

Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger isn’t just a duck who’s a little gimpy, he’s a carrier of a deadly political form of Avian Flu and he is going to destroy the few tattered remains of the state’s Republican Party.

Where to begin?

How about with the look on Assembly Republican Leader Kevin McCarthy’s face Tuesday night in Hollywood. As the TV cameras followed Arnold swagger onto stage to do a victory dance they also passed by McCarthy, and his face told the story. He looked like a kid who had been waiting on Santa to bring along that Red Rider BB gun only to find under the tree new gym socks from grandma. Arnold strode right past McCarthy, who himself didn’t even acknowledge the big guy as it appeared to me that the two went to lengths to not make eye contact, like they were the Bickersons at the divorce settlement hearing.

That summed it up. It also summed up nicely what I have been told by high-ranking republicans in Sacramento over and over again for months now. The complaint is that the governor is only a rumor in republican circles.

(Excerpt) Read more at sacunion.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Government; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: bcelebrity; cagop; jamoke; markwilliams; schwartzenegger; schwarzenegger; selfcentered; spoiled; threatening; trojanhorse
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To: SierraWasp
And I tend to agree with Mark. In fact, I've never met a radio talkster that I agree with half as much as him. Arnold has made it plain over the past week that he is the legislature's man from here on out.

Now, the question is how do we get Arnie into the dump truck? (and how do we get Sen. Tom to sign on???)

Now for the reality: It ain't going to happen.

41 posted on 11/17/2005 9:09:59 AM PST by editor-surveyor (Atheist and Fool are synonyms; Evolution is where fools hide from the sunrise)
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To: editor-surveyor; GVgirl; doodlelady; FOG724; calcowgirl; Carry_Okie; ElkGroveDan; Amerigomag; ...
"It ain't going to happen."

Well that's absolutely true as long as we let the perpetual defeatists even here in the hotbed of conservative activism dominate the discussion with defeatism and dire predictions of interminable incrimentalism and other pussey thinking!!!

As for me and my house, I will serve the idea of implementing an attitude of refusing to accept the unacceptable pall of liberal to muderate muddleheadedness in CA politics under any circumstances, even the indefensable circumstances we find ourselves in at the moment, thanks to CAGOP's idiotic lack of sane leadership!!!

Why is there a disconnect between CA FReepers and the Party "Leadership?" Why aren't CA FReepers either seeking positions of leadership themselves, or working their way into the hearts of associates that could afford to seek positions of leadership, or even calling the current so-called "Leaders" into question in an effort to put the wheels back on the party apparatus, including a working steering wheel? (aka a working platform) The old one was thrown out the window clear back in 1998!!!

42 posted on 11/17/2005 9:49:18 AM PST by SierraWasp (The only thing that can save CA is making eastern CA the 51st state called Sierra Republic!!!)
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To: Cinnamon Girl

Any comments I have made about the "the guy in office" are well deserved.

The GOP really messed up because they had a candidate who could have succeeded if they only backed him. Instead they chose to support a RINO. So asking me about what other hero from the GOP should be run makes no sense. Plenty of people could run who have conservative credentials, but they will not get the financial and other support form the CA GOP because the CA GOP has been taken over by the RINOS. In fact, most of the central committees in this state have as well. Look at the district of Rep. Doolittle. There is a battle to stop the RINOs from taking over that district. They are using the same tactics that were used to take over other central committees in the state. The state GOP refuses to protect itself from those that would take it over and subvert its platform.


43 posted on 11/17/2005 9:59:48 AM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: SierraWasp

I dunno about "dumping" (openly, anyway) him, but it would be great if Arnold sorta ... stepped aside for Tom McClintock this time. Maybe Arnold could get the nomination and THEN step aside, on the understanding that the nom would go to Tom? I'm unsure how that works. Anyway, I can dream.

Tom (one must assume) *only* chose not to run for the top office out of a sense of party loyalty. If Arnold is a millstone around the party's neck, though, then he should get out and go make "King Conan" ^^


44 posted on 11/17/2005 10:39:17 AM PST by pogo101
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To: hedgetrimmer

That is true that the CA GOP stinks and sells good candidates down the river. But Arnold won no thanks to their help, and my question to you remains, who could win? Name names, don't get give me the old 'all kinds of conservatives could win' nonsense. McClintock couldn't have won even with the lame state party backing because he isn't well liked, and this continues to be the case. And Arnold's prop elections were not a RINO move, in my opinion, but rather an attempt to bipass the dumb-sses in Sacratomato, in hopes that the voters would use their brains as they did to recall Gray Davis. Arnold was outspent and out t.v. advertised, again, no thanks to the CAGOP.


45 posted on 11/17/2005 10:44:59 AM PST by Cinnamon Girl (OMGIIHIHOIIC ping list)
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To: CALawyer
"...while being replaced by illegal aliensour undocumented friends to the south."

In the interest of clarification...

46 posted on 11/17/2005 10:55:24 AM PST by Czar (StillFedUptotheTeeth@Washington)
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To: SierraWasp

I don't know yet, SW. Have to think about both.


47 posted on 11/17/2005 10:57:56 AM PST by Czar (StillFedUptotheTeeth@Washington)
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To: pogo101; ElkGroveDan; Cinnamon Girl
It would be interesting to see if the electorate is finally ready to appreciate and support McClintock.

This is borrowed from ElkGroveDan's page:

"The mentality that only liberal Republicans can win in Democrat leaning states is naive and simplistic.

"In fact the opposite is true. Democrats don't vote across party lines for candidates that are similar, they vote across party lines for candidates that offer something their party is LACKING, such as prolife and profamily moral direction."

48 posted on 11/17/2005 11:06:58 AM PST by b9
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To: Cinnamon Girl

I do think that Tom could win today for Gov. Two differences between '06 and '03:

1) Tom's built his popularity since '03, including respected name-recognition; and

2) '06 is a general election that follows a primary, whereas '03 was a "plurality wins" recall election in which it maybe made more sense to vote "Bustamante prevention."

I really do think that in '06, Tom could win and WOULD win if he were nominated.


49 posted on 11/17/2005 11:10:29 AM PST by pogo101
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To: hedgetrimmer; Jim Robinson; tubebender; forester; marsh2; ElkGroveDan; Amerigomag; NormsRevenge; ...
"Look at the district of Rep. Doolittle. There is a battle to stop the RINOs from taking over that district. They are using the same tactics that were used to take over other central committees in the state. The state GOP refuses to protect itself from those that would take it over and subvert its platform."

You couldn't be any more absolutely correct!!!

The really upsetting thing is, hedgetrimmer, is that THEY'RE HERE!!! (right here on FR!!!)

They're the ones pounding CA conservatives and especially Freepers with the self-fulfilling prophecy that conservatism cannot win in CA and must subject it'self at the very most, to incrementalism of an interminable nature to even subsist at a low level in CA's "New & Improved" GOP!!!

They are taking particular delight in the idea that we don't seem to have a champion at the moment and are determined to put down the only potential possiblity as a 13%er! (just in case McClintock should ever stick his head up again)

They do not dare allow us to criticize the big celebrity blowhard while we discuss the falicies being foisted upon Cauleeforneeyuns as somehow conservative friendly governmental policies! The conservative conversation must be "dissed" as divisive and harmful in their way of thinking! You know, it's "Be reasonable! See it my way!" (otherwise you should be cast into outer darkness)

Now that the special election is over, as well as the Recall election, the feeling of "The New Majority" is that those scary "righteous conservatives" are to be permanently marginalized and never allowed to regain Party positions that were once worked for and earned, but from which they have now been squeezed, or at best are ignored should they still hold said positions.

Third Party efforts are an exercise in futility! Only restoration of righteous conservative representation and majority restoration of a respectable Party Platform that is enforced through a democratic process will work to regain conservative influences throughout CA Republicanism as it thrived in the first half of the last decade and in the Reagan years before that.

Rodger Hedgecock, filling in for Rush Limbaugh today just said: "It is time to declare war on Republican moderates!" I would hope that war would at least start right here on FR!!!

50 posted on 11/17/2005 11:18:33 AM PST by SierraWasp (The only thing that can save CA is making eastern CA the 51st state called Sierra Republic!!!)
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To: pogo101

In my opinion, the political climate has gotten worse for someone like McClintock, not better. Simon said over and over in his campaign that Davis had run us $20 billion in debt. No one listened. The unions have flexed their gigantic muscle and demonstrated that they control this state. They have their power and they like it, and they're not giving it up.


51 posted on 11/17/2005 11:20:43 AM PST by Cinnamon Girl (OMGIIHIHOIIC ping list)
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To: Cinnamon Girl
No one listened.

As Don McLean sang:
"...Perhaps they'll listen, now."

52 posted on 11/17/2005 11:27:03 AM PST by b9
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To: SierraWasp

As if the state GOP was doing all that well before Arnold came on the scene.


53 posted on 11/17/2005 11:28:03 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: SierraWasp
Third Party efforts are an exercise in futility!

Rather than trying to build up a new organization, taking one back that already has the money, resources and infrastructure is the more prudent thing to do. But it will be a bloody battle!
54 posted on 11/17/2005 11:35:14 AM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: dfwgator
Touche! But at least it had a platform that was acting as a steering wheel/rudder until around the turn of the century! Now the Party is totally rudderless! Drifting!! Drowning!!! (in moderate mediocrity)(totally vulnerable to the leftist/unionist mob muscle)

Good ideas and good people that can sell those ideas are the ONLY thing that can overcome the leftist/unionist mob muscle!!!

55 posted on 11/17/2005 11:36:06 AM PST by SierraWasp (The only thing that can save CA is making eastern CA the 51st state called Sierra Republic!!!)
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And I meant to include, "the money to get them seen and heard!"


56 posted on 11/17/2005 11:37:21 AM PST by SierraWasp (The only thing that can save CA is making eastern CA the 51st state called Sierra Republic!!!)
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To: doodlelady

They weren't listening when Simon said it. They listened when Arnold said it and got elected. Then when the unions said Arnold was hurting the children, they stopped listening again.


57 posted on 11/17/2005 11:43:27 AM PST by Cinnamon Girl (OMGIIHIHOIIC ping list)
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To: SierraWasp

Waspman, it's not the mudderites that are in the way this time. It's some of the cream of the main stream republican party that have chosen to step back for a while and let the muddy water pass by. Mark hasn't gotten used to the difference between Phlly and Sacto yet, or he might not have given voice to the truths he spoke. We need more than displeasure, we need a plan.


58 posted on 11/17/2005 11:46:04 AM PST by editor-surveyor (Atheist and Fool are synonyms; Evolution is where fools hide from the sunrise)
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To: hedgetrimmer
Well, if not bloody, it might be a reverse "squeeze play" like the Parky, Firestone, Riordan, Wilson, et al have pulled on the former "righteous conservatives!" Of course, it would help if "righteous conservatives" could present themselves and their ideas in the best light possible without the normal rough edges that include harshness, meaness and extremely judgemental.

The ideas from the Reagan era were not any of these things, but the left has succeeded in framing them in these false frameworks. Just last night on KTVU Channel 2 in Oakland on the 6:PM news the newsreadingbabe repeated the big lie that Reagan caused that lady to throw her three kids in the bay to die because she should have been in a state mental hospital that Reagan closed in the 60's!

Prop 75 is still a GREAT idea, but it will never pass in a special, low turn-out election that the Unions can manipulate perception with less money on advertising like they just did!!! Of course, we'll have a little time now to show CA that the inmates really are running the asylum and really are running it right into the ground through the voter's pocketbooks!!!

59 posted on 11/17/2005 11:51:07 AM PST by SierraWasp (The only thing that can save CA is making eastern CA the 51st state called Sierra Republic!!!)
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To: editor-surveyor
"...we need a plan."

Well, of course! We need to plan our work, then work our plan! That's also called a "platform!" The problem is that there are two types of power. 1. Institutional power and 2. Personality power. Whenever personality power takes over an institution, the "plan/platform" goes by the wayside. Sometimes, even the "government of laws" of laws goes by the wayside and we end up in dictatorship or close to it!

Right now, I don't think the CAGOP has ANY institutional power that is derived through a democratic process to regain and then retain a righteous conservative plan of attack on matters of CA public policy when the institution/Party takes power back where it belongs. Democrats/Liberals are much better at developing "institutional power" as are the ants in ant-hills!

Conservatives tend to admire the successful individual to the point of falling into the Personality Power Trap! And we did during the Recall election!!! The Recall also defeated our Primary Process making this lapse more possible and now the Party prematurely endorsed the personality long before next June's Primary stealing all Party members chance of putting up any other challenge to the personality who would certainly have failed such a challenge, without doubt!!!

60 posted on 11/17/2005 12:07:00 PM PST by SierraWasp (The only thing that can save CA is making eastern CA the 51st state called Sierra Republic!!!)
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