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How To Lose A War: The Sequel (Ollie North)
GOP USA ^ | 11-18-05 | Oliver North

Posted on 11/17/2005 8:22:10 PM PST by smoothsailing

How To Lose A War: The Sequel

By Oliver North

November 18, 2005

Since October of 2001, our FOX News "War Stories" unit has been documenting the remarkable young Americans fighting the Global War on Terror. We have covered thousands of them on the decks of ships in the Persian Gulf, on combat patrols in the shadow of the Hindu Kush, in gunfights along the banks of the Tigris and Euphrates and gone to hospitals in Iraq, Germany and the U.S. with the wounded. Throughout, there has been a common bond among these "warriors of Sept. 11" -- a steadfast resolve that they could win the war. Now, for the first time since I accompanied the initial U.S. combat units heading into Kandahar, Afghanistan, I'm hearing something different -- a loss of confidence in the final outcome.

Over the course of the last ten days, I've met with scores of those I'd previously covered overseas. These soldiers, sailors, airmen, Guardsmen and Marines are now in "stateside" assignments at Camp Lejeune and Fort Bragg, N.C., at Miramar Air Station in California, at Brooke Army Medical Center in San Antonio and here in Hawaii. Many of them expect to be back in the fight -- some of them soon. But recent reversals -- not on the battlefield but in Washington -- have caused nearly all of those I talked to on this trip to question whether we are suddenly in danger of losing the war they have been fighting.

This sudden loss of assurance in our fighting forces has nothing to do with casualty figures, troop levels, the leaders prosecuting the war in the field or new acts of terror by a ruthless enemy. Rather, the anxieties I'm now hearing from those I have covered in combat come in questions like: "Do you think that they are going to pull us out before we've finished the mission?" and "Will we abandon Iraq like we abandoned Vietnam?" Interestingly, not one of the thousands of young Americans I have covered in Iraq or Afghanistan has ever asked about or commented upon pre-war intelligence.

For more than two years the so-called mainstream media, the far left and some in Congress have been making trite comparisons between Vietnam and Iraq. Having spent a significant amount of time in both conflicts, about the only parallels I have seen in the two wars have been that bullets still wound and kill, and spilled blood is still red. But another common thread now ties the two hostilities together -- political cowardice in Washington, D.C.

On Tuesday this week, with the Commander in Chief traveling in Asia, the Democrat leadership in the U.S. Senate introduced a proposal that would have set a fixed date for withdrawing American troops from Iraq. The measure was defeated 58 to 40, but an amended version, setting 2006 as a "period of significant transition creating conditions for the phased redeployment of United States forces from Iraq," passed by an overwhelming 79-19 margin.

Though the White House and some Republican lawmakers sounded the trumpets of victory for defeating the Democrats' hard-and-fast timetable, the message to the troops is clear: No matter where we stand in the war on terror -- if the Senate has its way, we're "pulling out" in 2006. Abu Musab al Zarqawi's "al Qaeda in Iraq" terrorist organization immediately claimed victory and exhorted his followers to "hold on." Officials in Iraq's interim government, intent on providing a secure election on Dec. 15, were publicly muted in response to the votes, expressing hopes in an official statement that "Iraqi security forces are becoming increasingly effective." Americans in uniform -- both in-theatre and at home -- were stunned.

Major General William Webster, commanding the U.S. Army's 3rd Infantry Division in Iraq said that "setting a date would mean that the 221 soldiers I've lost this year, that their lives will have been lost in vain." A U.S. Marine colonel, recently returned from Iraq, called it "a formula for disaster." And universally those I have met with here in Hawaii, from the U.S. Army's 25th Infantry Division to the 1st Marine Brigade, to the sailors of the fleet, to the wounded at Tripler Army Hospital -- all expressed anger and frustration with statements like:

"We've fought well." "We're helping to create a democracy." "Don't they want us to win?"

That's a valid question. Even Senate Republicans don't seem to know what they want. As the "World's Greatest Deliberative Body" was exploring how to set a "date certain" for withdrawing troops without setting a certain date, Sen. John Cornyn, R-Texas, said, "Americans do not cut and run, Americans do not abandon their commitments and Americans do not abandon their friends." But he voted for the measure anyway.

About the only ones in Washington who seem to know what they want are the leaders of the Democrat party. Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., who voted for war in 2002, waited until President Bush was overseas meeting with the Prime Minister of Japan to proclaim that, "Democrats and Republicans acknowledged that staying the course is not the way to go." He then summed it all up by adding, "This is a vote of no confidence on the Bush-administration policy in Iraq."

William Jefferson Blythe Clinton knows what this is all about. Though the Clinton administration had advocated the overthrow of Saddam in 1998, he told a university audience in Dubai this week that the Iraq war was "a big mistake." Like former President Jimmy Carter, Mr. Clinton apparently no longer feels bound by the affront to our troops or the traditional protocols that once governed political discourse while overseas.

In the House, Pennsylvania's John Murtha, an influential Democrat who voted in favor of Iraq war in 2002, called for the immediate withdrawal of U.S. troops saying, "it is evident that continued military action in Iraq is not in the best interests of the United States of America, the Iraqi people or the Persian Gulf region."

The GOP leadership, senior administration officials and the president need to dramatically alter the debate. They need to go to Iraq -- talk to the troops and reassure them that we will stay there long enough to get the job done and not one second longer. Notwithstanding the "peace in our time" appeasement sentiment sweeping through our capital, it's not too late. Republicans need to realize that wining the war in Iraq is the only issue that really matters right now. It is more important than Medicare, the next Supreme Court justice, foreign trade deals or tax reform. If we lose the war -- and we could -- none of these things will matter.

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TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Philosophy; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: gnfa; gnfi; iraq; iraqwar; kayak; oif; olivernorth; terrorism
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To: Soul Seeker

I think the President needs to address a joint session of Congress under the guise of an update on the war, which they are demanding, and then give them the dressing down of their lives on national TV. Really embarass the scoundrels like they've never been embarrassed before.


101 posted on 11/18/2005 7:40:32 AM PST by Great Caesars Ghost (Who says we're going to win the War On Terror? We can still lose this war.)
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To: Marine_Uncle
Everything the POTUS had claimed must be done, is happening before our very eyes.

This is the one good thing, that I believe that the fighting force we would be leaving is more akin to the bad-@ss South Koreans than the weak and corrupt South Vietnamese.

102 posted on 11/18/2005 7:52:17 AM PST by Great Caesars Ghost (Who says we're going to win the War On Terror? We can still lose this war.)
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To: Jim Robinson
;*) Thanks Jim!

Been there and passed it on, as instructed!

103 posted on 11/18/2005 8:04:35 AM PST by Just A Nobody (I - LOVE - my attitude problem! WBB lives on. Beware the Enemedia trolls.)
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To: smoothsailing

Band of brothers

104 posted on 11/18/2005 8:06:03 AM PST by irons_player
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To: penelopesire
the conservatives and patriots MARCH ON THE WASHINGTON MALL in the MILLIONS to protest QUITTING A WAR WE ARE WINNING

Instead of a single event, we may need to drop all our evening engagements and start picketing Federal government offices in our hometowns. Do it every night, and try to build a crowd. Maybe eventually we can build nightly demonstrations that are big enough to be taken seriously. This is what I see others doing when they really want to change their government and elections don't work. Marches on Washington don't seem to work for our side. Look at the March for Life. Hundreds of thousands turn out every year and no one even knows about it because it gets ZERO coverage by collusion among the media cartel.

105 posted on 11/18/2005 8:10:10 AM PST by Great Caesars Ghost (Who says we're going to win the War On Terror? We can still lose this war.)
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To: smoothsailing
Couldn't have said it better myself.

Ollie Bump!

106 posted on 11/18/2005 8:12:49 AM PST by DoctorMichael (The Fourth-Estate is a Fifth-Column!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
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To: irons_player

Benedict Arnold

I don't have any respect, NONE for military men who come back and trash the country. I will not issue a disclaimer about repecting their past service. I did not do it for Beckworth, I did not do it for "Bob*", and I won't do it for this old freak. He can go to H-E-L-L. *

And the Answer Is, BOB.

Question: What do you call a guy with no arms and no legs after you throw him in the ocean?
107 posted on 11/18/2005 8:21:03 AM PST by Great Caesars Ghost (Who says we're going to win the War On Terror? We can still lose this war.)
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To: Great Caesars Ghost
I disagree with Ollie in that I don't know that the war is more important than the border or the Supreme Court.

The War on Terror is indeed the MOST IMPORTANT thing. If we lose the global war on terror, SHARIA LAW will be the law of the land. No SCOTUS will be necessary and nothing else will matter.

108 posted on 11/18/2005 8:23:45 AM PST by Just A Nobody (I - LOVE - my attitude problem! WBB lives on. Beware the Enemedia trolls.)
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To: Justanobody

If we lose the Supreme Court the mullahs in Black Robes will be allowing Shari'a to supplant our laws. If we don't control the border the terrorists will figure out that they don't NEED to fight us in Iraq when they can simply come here and kill us in our beds.

It's an interlocking threat matrix, IMO.


109 posted on 11/18/2005 8:29:18 AM PST by Great Caesars Ghost (Who says we're going to win the War On Terror? We can still lose this war.)
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To: TruthNtegrity

To read later.


110 posted on 11/18/2005 9:12:53 AM PST by TruthNtegrity ("I regret that by Saturday I didn't realize that LA was dysfunctional." Michael Brown, 9/27/05)
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To: smoothsailing

bump


111 posted on 11/18/2005 9:15:58 AM PST by VOA
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To: smoothsailing

>>>Notwithstanding the "peace in our time" appeasement sentiment sweeping through our capital, it's not too late.<<<

The "peace in our time" sentiment appears every fifty years or so... and is generally followed by a large-scale war. What liberals do not understand is that this cycle of strength-to-weakness-to-attack WILL NEVER END... until we decide to always be stronger than the other guy. Project weakness, and you'll draw aggression. ALWAYS.


112 posted on 11/18/2005 9:49:22 AM PST by snowrip (Liberal? YOU HAVE NO RATIONAL ARGUMENT. Actually, you lack even a legitimate excuse.)
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To: Justanobody; jimrob
If this Republican cowardess continues, we'll have to start a bonfire. I don't know who or how or where, but it just has to happen again.

And we'll have to do it. Period.

113 posted on 11/18/2005 10:18:19 AM PST by Humidston
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To: Great Caesars Ghost
I understand your point and feel judges and borders are important.

However, if we lose the GWOT, no judge or sealed border will stop the takeover of our country. That is JMO.

114 posted on 11/18/2005 10:26:58 AM PST by Just A Nobody (I - LOVE - my attitude problem! WBB lives on. Beware the Enemedia trolls.)
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To: smoothsailing
..2006 as a "period of significant transition creating conditions for the phased redeployment of United States forces from Iraq," passed by an overwhelming 79-19 margin..
115 posted on 11/18/2005 10:40:34 AM PST by Gritty ("It is stunningly hard to win a war where the enemy is religiously motivatated to kill us-N Gingrich)
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To: smoothsailing

BTTT


116 posted on 11/18/2005 11:07:18 AM PST by Fiddlstix (Tagline Repair Service. Let us fix those broken Taglines. Inquire within(Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: Great Caesars Ghost
"This is the one good thing, that I believe that the fighting force we would be leaving is more akin to the bad-@ss South Koreans than the weak and corrupt South Vietnamese."
In this I must agree. The Iraqi forces in all their forms are being now trained by our Army,Airforce,Navy,Marines, NATO, and some EU military units, that should prepare them sufficiently to run a military with all the attributes of how we operate.
And obviously they have a common goal to remove the remaining Ali Babba and move toward total stability. It is in the will and intellegience of their selection of political leaders to provide that last required element for success. Obviously we have seen that their governmental operations have a long way to go. It is either going to make them successfull, or heaven knows what will end up happening say two or three years down the pike.
117 posted on 11/18/2005 11:21:05 AM PST by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned)
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To: Prost1

I am beginning to have problems with this. Why is Murtha, Durban, Rockefeller, the editorial boards of major news outlets, etc., not in jail for treason and sedition?
There is a war on. They need to support the troops and the war goals, or be declared enemies and treated as such.


118 posted on 11/18/2005 11:32:03 AM PST by Little Ray (I'm a reactionary, hirsute, gun-owning, knuckle dragging, Christian Neanderthal and proud of it!)
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To: Great Caesars Ghost
Are you kidding? The War on terrorism, part of which, is the War in Iraq is the most important issue of our time. Remember 9/11?
We don`t know how differently Meirs would have voted then Alioto but I`ll bet not much.
As for the border, thats a work in progress for sure and we need to turn the heat up on CONGRESS and the Rats to do something.
Sorry to say, but the big issue is the War and we can`t lose. Please, support the President.
119 posted on 11/18/2005 12:30:41 PM PST by bybybill (GOD help us if the Rats win)
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To: bybybill

I do support the President on this war. I believe it's a war for survival, but I think it's being fought in three theatres. THe first theatre is Iraq. The second theatre is against the enemy within, the communists, the msm, congress, the judiciary, the universities. The third theater is the dagger in the gut from the south by the illegals, and I now firmly believe that we're going to get hit hard, very hard, by al-q from there if we don't get busy.

But I support anyone that's not actively trying to turn the country over to the enemy.


120 posted on 11/18/2005 12:35:25 PM PST by Great Caesars Ghost (Who says we're going to win the War On Terror? We can still lose this war.)
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