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EVERY SINGLE MAN, WOMAN AND CHILD IN AMERICA NOW HAS A $166,000.00 PUBLIC DEBT
Robert Drobot | 18 November 2005 | Robert Drobot

Posted on 11/18/2005 11:40:48 AM PST by Robert Drobot

According to the Treasury Department, from 1776-2000, the first 224 years of U.S. history, 42 U.S. presidents borrowed a combined $1.01 trillion from foreign governments and financial institutions, but in the past four years alone, the Bush administration borrowed $1.05 trillion. ... "No American political leadership has ever willfully and deliberately mortgaged our country to foreign interests in the manner we have witnessed over the past four years," said Tanner. "If this recklessness is not stopped, I truly believe our economic freedom as American citizens is in great jeopardy." [CNSNews]

I wonder if there are any implications...

"The facts are not partisan, and they're not ideological," said David Walker, the nation's comptroller general. He should know. He's the nation's chief accountant and signs off on the government's balance sheet. America's fiscal future, he said, "is worse than advertised."

When the government next reports these numbers Dec. 15, the total is expected to reach $46 trillion to $50 trillion.

How much is $50 trillion? About $166,000 for each of the almost 300 million Americans. [Seatle Times]

American "wealth" is an illusion based on borrowed funds that will soon be cut off, followed by creditor claims. Are you ready to repay the $166,000 spent on your behalf?


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; Miscellaneous; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: badmath; borrowing; buygold; buysilver; chaos; debt; facard; gopbigspenders; justprintmorepaper; money; outofcontrolspending; pretend; robbing; ruin; spendingspree; stopmebeforeispend
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Shut off the sale of Treasury bonds, and our country will suffer a total collapse.
1 posted on 11/18/2005 11:40:53 AM PST by Robert Drobot
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To: Robert Drobot

There's still time to stop it.


2 posted on 11/18/2005 11:42:12 AM PST by RockinRight (It’s likely for a Conservative to be a Republican, but not always the other way around)
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To: Robert Drobot

If I give them $166,000 do I get my Liberty back?


3 posted on 11/18/2005 11:43:27 AM PST by VRing
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To: Robert Drobot

I hereby announce that I am defaulting on my part of that $166k. Go ahead and put it on my credit report. One more ding against my credit won't make any difference.


5 posted on 11/18/2005 11:44:35 AM PST by MikeA
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To: Robert Drobot

Wow, that's great that the government owes me this much. I'll be sure to buy bonds so I make money off the interest paid on this.


6 posted on 11/18/2005 11:45:29 AM PST by mnehrling (My Karma ran over your Dogma)
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To: Robert Drobot

Can I pay it back now and not have to pay tax anymore?

I'll write a check.


7 posted on 11/18/2005 11:46:13 AM PST by MeanWestTexan (Many at FR would respond to Christ "Darn right, I'll cast the first stone!")
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To: Robert Drobot; sheltonmac; ValenB4; azhenfud; 4ConservativeJustices
According to the Treasury Department, from 1776-2000, the first 224 years of U.S. history, 42 U.S. presidents borrowed a combined $1.01 trillion from foreign governments and financial institutions, but in the past four years alone, the Bush administration borrowed $1.05 trillion

But remember. Keep voting Republican because....because....because....well I know there's an excuse or two the party faithful remind us we have to keep voting Republican, but for the life of me I can't remember it...

8 posted on 11/18/2005 11:47:54 AM PST by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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To: Robert Drobot

Can you explain the implications of this in better detail? The comments up to now see to imply that massive debt is no issue and is of no concern.


9 posted on 11/18/2005 11:48:28 AM PST by Rebelbase (Food stamps, section-8, State paid Child support, etc. pay more than the min. wage.)
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To: Robert Drobot
American "wealth" is an illusion based on borrowed funds that will soon be cut off, followed by creditor claims.

Yup. Japan is gonna foreclose on us. Guess we'll just have to hand over the keys to the Capitol and become serfs.

10 posted on 11/18/2005 11:48:32 AM PST by Restorer (Illegitimati non carborundum)
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To: Robert Drobot
Are you ready to repay the $166,000 spent on your behalf?

Who do I pay? And do they take American Express... I could probably get a couple of first class airline tickets in the process... ;)

11 posted on 11/18/2005 11:48:35 AM PST by humint
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To: Robert Drobot

Me and my kids - 4 of us, owe $664,000? To who?


12 posted on 11/18/2005 11:48:36 AM PST by Fido969 ("And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free" (John 8:32).)
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To: Robert Drobot

Naw. I'm passing my share on to the next generation. In fact, I'll do what I can to borrow more against their labors. /drippysarcasm


13 posted on 11/18/2005 11:49:21 AM PST by CodeToad
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To: Robert Drobot

"According to the Treasury Department, from 1776-2000, the first 224 years of U.S. history, 42 U.S. presidents borrowed a combined $1.01 trillion from foreign governments and financial institutions, but in the past four years alone, the Bush administration borrowed $1.05 trillion"

Is this true? Seems to be to be complete irresponsiblity on the part of Bush if it's true.


14 posted on 11/18/2005 11:49:51 AM PST by Rebelbase (Food stamps, section-8, State paid Child support, etc. pay more than the min. wage.)
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To: Fido969
Me and my kids - 4 of us, owe $664,000? To who?

To the Democrats in Congress who are spending your money at record rates.

15 posted on 11/18/2005 11:51:00 AM PST by H. Paul Pressler IV
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To: Rebelbase

What rock have you been hiding under?


16 posted on 11/18/2005 11:51:41 AM PST by Sols
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To: MikeA

That's what I was gonna say. Get in line - LOL.


17 posted on 11/18/2005 11:51:46 AM PST by mlc9852
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To: Robert Drobot

Meanwhile, the new Medicare prescription plan already costs double what they first projected. Yet we went ahead with that without reservation.

There are no more Republicans or Democrats anymore. Just politicians who have spent too much time away from the private sector, producing for the consumer.

I see no end to this without economic collapse.


18 posted on 11/18/2005 11:51:50 AM PST by libertarianPA
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To: Rebelbase

How about the Democrats in Congress?
Where is their blame?


19 posted on 11/18/2005 11:52:11 AM PST by H. Paul Pressler IV
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To: Robert Drobot

Already paid mine and retired. Good luck!!!


20 posted on 11/18/2005 11:52:29 AM PST by jec41 (Screaming Eagle)
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To: H. Paul Pressler IV
Last I heard, the rats were in the minority.
21 posted on 11/18/2005 11:52:39 AM PST by Robert Drobot (Da mihi virtutem contra hostes tuos.)
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To: Sols

A big one.


22 posted on 11/18/2005 11:52:44 AM PST by Rebelbase (Food stamps, section-8, State paid Child support, etc. pay more than the min. wage.)
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To: Robert Drobot

They'll take a check????? Wait right there.


23 posted on 11/18/2005 11:52:58 AM PST by Cliff Dweller ("get thar fustest with the mostest." GEN NB Forrest)
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To: Robert Drobot

Where do we go to pay? Each time an estate is large enough to be taxed, the full amount should be first reduced by the deceaseds amount owed to the national debt before it can be used in the general revenues.

All kinds of people would be dying to pay off the debt.


24 posted on 11/18/2005 11:53:17 AM PST by billhilly (If you're lurking here from DU (Democrats unglued), I trust this post will make you sick.)
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To: Robert Drobot
That is why the death tax should be directed to repayment of the national debt.
There needs to be laws in place that forbid government from spending the income elsewhere and with lots of wealthier people dying over the next 30 years, that wealth should go to pay off the debt they helped make IMO.
That would be the responsible, self-reliant and conservative thing to do, rather than let them leave the world and debt to the future generations. That IMO would be pathetic.
25 posted on 11/18/2005 11:53:36 AM PST by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: Fido969

Uncle Sham.

You can make the check out to the US Treasury department.


26 posted on 11/18/2005 11:53:41 AM PST by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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To: Robert Drobot
Just sell off some of the federal land in this map, and we'll get that debt down in no time...


27 posted on 11/18/2005 11:53:43 AM PST by flashbunny (LOCKBOX: Where most republicans keep their gonads after they arrive in Washington D.C.)
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To: Robert Drobot

So let's say we get into a real spat with China, which holds many of our bonds.

Default.

Thanks for the loan, suckers! We ain't payin' you back.


28 posted on 11/18/2005 11:54:58 AM PST by Uncle Miltie (People unwilling to defend freedom become slaves.)
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To: Robert Drobot
Either I'm reading this wrong or there is a gap in your story. How did you get from the first 224 years of U.S. history, 42 U.S. presidents borrowed a combined $1.01 trillion and but in the past four years alone, the Bush administration borrowed $1.05 trillion to When the government next reports these numbers Dec. 15, the total is expected to reach $46 trillion to $50 trillion ...

How do we get a "total" of "$46 trillion to $50 trillion"?

29 posted on 11/18/2005 11:55:08 AM PST by manwiththehands
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To: H. Paul Pressler IV

Screw them all, Democrat and Republican alike. And curses on GW Bush for letting this escalate to this point.

Oh, wait, I forgot. He is our Pres. in time of war and is beyond critisism.

Guess what? We'll be at war for the duration of his Presidency and he's abused his free pass from critique.


30 posted on 11/18/2005 11:55:23 AM PST by Rebelbase (Food stamps, section-8, State paid Child support, etc. pay more than the min. wage.)
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To: libertarianPA

I'm sorta with you. Since the Govt owns the money printing presses, they can repay the debt by printing more money. Then, we'll have a big spike in inflation. To compound the problems, tax increases will be levied. It'll be hell on the regular citizens.


31 posted on 11/18/2005 11:55:28 AM PST by JeeperFreeper
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To: Robert Drobot

Its the evil cabal of the Federal Reserve and, of course, the Jewszzzzzzz fault. Better buy gold, because it's....shiny.


32 posted on 11/18/2005 11:55:33 AM PST by Pondman88
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To: flashbunny
Sorry, federal lands have already been hocked.
33 posted on 11/18/2005 11:55:44 AM PST by Robert Drobot (Da mihi virtutem contra hostes tuos.)
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To: Robert Drobot

That is irrelevant. All the Democrats would need to do is oppose some of the spending bills along with a few Republicans.


34 posted on 11/18/2005 11:55:57 AM PST by H. Paul Pressler IV
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To: H. Paul Pressler IV

Perhaps you could remind me? Who has held both the Legislative and Executive branches over the past few years? Even in the majority you still try to blame the Democrats? Conservatives have known for years how fiscally liberal Republicans were.


35 posted on 11/18/2005 11:56:00 AM PST by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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To: billhilly

All of the estate tax which some are looking to end should be re-dirrected to pay off the national debt since it was their debt as well.
A law would need to be in place though that would restrict the politicians from growing the debt or taking the estate tax revenue for other puposes (outside of war maybe).


36 posted on 11/18/2005 11:56:02 AM PST by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: Robert Drobot

Did anyone bother to look up what the debt was in 1992 and how much it raised under Bubba? The Chinese hold a lot of this debt, By all rights they should have wiped out what part they owed during Clintons term, The information he sold them was worth whatever it was.


37 posted on 11/18/2005 11:56:41 AM PST by sgtbono2002
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To: Rebelbase

38 posted on 11/18/2005 11:56:54 AM PST by TheDon (The Democratic Party is the party of TREASON!)
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To: Rebelbase
"Can you explain the implications of this in better detail? The comments up to now see to imply that massive debt is no issue and is of no concern."

The simple version goes something like this:

The people / governments buying up US debt can not call in the debt. If they do, it will bust our bank. If that happens, they won't get paid. The best they can do is to make money off of the interest, thus prolonging the inevitable. See the beauty of this ponzi scheme?

"Elegant simplicity" at it's best.

Uncle Sham is Da Man!
39 posted on 11/18/2005 11:56:55 AM PST by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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To: manwiththehands

Interest.


40 posted on 11/18/2005 11:57:13 AM PST by Robert Drobot (Da mihi virtutem contra hostes tuos.)
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To: billbears

That is irrelevant. All the Democrats would need to do is oppose some of the spending bills along with a few Republicans.


41 posted on 11/18/2005 11:57:50 AM PST by H. Paul Pressler IV
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To: Robert Drobot

Keep building it up. If I owe you a little, it's my problem. If I owe you a lot, it's your problem.


42 posted on 11/18/2005 11:58:29 AM PST by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: Robert Drobot

Historical Debt Outstanding - Annual
1950 - 2005
* Rounded to Millions
Includes legal tender notes, gold and silver certificates, etc.
Date Amount
09/30/2005 $7,932,709,661,723.50
09/30/2004 $7,379,052,696,330.32
09/30/2003 $6,783,231,062,743.62
09/30/2002 $6,228,235,965,597.16
09/30/2001 $5,807,463,412,200.06
09/30/2000 $5,674,178,209,886.86
09/30/1999 5,656,270,901,615.43
09/30/1998 5,526,193,008,897.62
09/30/1997 5,413,146,011,397.34
09/30/1996 5,224,810,939,135.73
09/29/1995 4,973,982,900,709.39
09/30/1994 4,692,749,910,013.32
09/30/1993 4,411,488,883,139.38
09/30/1992 4,064,620,655,521.66
09/30/1991 3,665,303,351,697.03
09/28/1990 3,233,313,451,777.25
09/29/1989 2,857,430,960,187.32
09/30/1988 2,602,337,712,041.16
09/30/1987 2,350,276,890,953.00
09/30/1986 2,125,302,616,658.42
12/31/1985 1,945,941,616,459.88
12/31/1984 1,662,966,000,000.00
12/31/1983 1,410,702,000,000.00
12/31/1982 1,197,073,000,000.00
12/31/1981 1,028,729,000,000.00
12/31/1980 930,210,000,000.00
12/31/1979 845,116,000,000.00
12/29/1978 789,207,000,000.00
12/30/1977 718,943,000,000.00
12/31/1976 653,544,000,000.00
12/31/1975 576,649,000,000.00
12/31/1974 492,665,000,000.00
12/31/1973 469,898,039,554.70
12/29/1972 449,298,066,119.00
12/31/1971 424,130,961,959.95
12/31/1970 389,158,403,690.26
12/31/1969 368,225,581,254.41
12/31/1968 358,028,625,002.91
12/29/1967 344,663,009,745.18
12/30/1966 329,319,249,366.68
12/31/1965 320,904,110,042.04
12/31/1964 317,940,472,718.38
12/31/1963 309,346,845,059.17
12/31/1962 303,470,080,489.27
12/29/1961 296,168,761,214.92
12/30/1960 290,216,815,241.68
12/31/1959 290,797,771,717.63
12/31/1958 282,922,423,583.87
12/31/1957 274,897,784,290.72
12/31/1956 276,627,527,996.11
12/30/1955 280,768,553,188.96
12/31/1954 278,749,814,391.33
12/31/1953 275,168,120,129.39
06/30/1953 266,071,061,638.57
06/30/1952 259,105,178,785.43
06/29/1951 255,221,976,814.93
06/30/1950 257,357,352,351.04

Also, the debt per person is about $26,000.


43 posted on 11/18/2005 11:58:40 AM PST by WBL 1952
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To: Robert Drobot
I reject the notion that I personally owe $166k...as I recall, it was politicians who spent the money. I say it's the politicians who need to pay it back. John Kerry and his blushing bride can cover my $166k.
44 posted on 11/18/2005 11:59:38 AM PST by highlander_UW (I don't know what my future holds, but I know Who holds my future)
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To: WBL 1952
Rounded to Millions

I do the same with my check book.

45 posted on 11/18/2005 11:59:42 AM PST by H. Paul Pressler IV
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To: WBL 1952

Source?


46 posted on 11/18/2005 12:00:17 PM PST by Robert Drobot (Da mihi virtutem contra hostes tuos.)
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To: H. Paul Pressler IV

And all GWB would need to do is use his veto pen.

Apparently he has misplaced it.


47 posted on 11/18/2005 12:01:06 PM PST by flashbunny (LOCKBOX: Where most republicans keep their gonads after they arrive in Washington D.C.)
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To: flashbunny

Alaska looks like mixed-up Play-doh. BTW, leave the public lands alone, we'll need them to show the kids someday.


48 posted on 11/18/2005 12:01:10 PM PST by madison10
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To: Rebelbase
Yes..............this is complete utter irresponsibility by Bush. We are not going to grow our way out of this one like we did in the 1990's. Bush and Congress have really screwed us. It is going to have long term economic impacts on the US.
49 posted on 11/18/2005 12:02:07 PM PST by fisherman90814
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To: Robert Drobot
According to the Treasury Department, from 1776-2000, the first 224 years of U.S. history, 42 U.S. presidents borrowed a combined $1.01 trillion from foreign governments and financial institutions, but in the past four years alone, the Bush administration borrowed $1.05 trillion

Lucky for you, you don't understand math or money.

$1T today in 1920 would be $50B.

The national debt in 1920 was about $26B.

Of course, the taxpaying population in 1920 was a third of what it is now and tax revenue as a percentage of income was much lower.

But why discuss facts when hysterics are the order of the day.

Did you know that Americans took out more in automobile loans in 2004 than all Americans combined between 1776-1920? It's a fact. We're doomed.

50 posted on 11/18/2005 12:02:21 PM PST by wideawake (God bless our brave troops and their Commander-in-Chief)
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