Posted on 11/22/2005 12:44:07 PM PST by Michael_Michaelangelo
Since I doubt that you've actually asked any (much less a large sampling) of these same 10,000 clergy about their actual views on these topics, I'm going to have to ask you to try, just for a moment, to stop posting outright lies as a poor substitute for an ability to actually rebut the material -- no matter how popular that tactic obviously is in the AECreationist playbook.
It appears that ID is not attracting Christians, either. ID does not support Trinity theory and does not support the Bible.
from an interview:
Church of the Nazarene
Rev. Ron Moeller, Pastor
"There isn't very much interest here in intelligent design, because we think the most important thing is saving souls for our Lord Jesus. It doesn't matter if people believe in evolution as a way of understanding the flowers and meadows and animals of God's creation. People come to Christ sometimes by the Bible, but just as often by personal experiences of the Holy Spirit and are born again, sometimes by family or friends, sometimes, I hope, by their pastor. Intelligent design doesn't help at all, because it has no foundation in the Bible.
"It has come up a few times in our Adult Study classes, but the 'specified complexity' and stuff didn't attract much interest. Someone asked, "What does this have to do with the Bible?"
The Presiding Bishop said that "ID opens the door to pantheism and every kind of New Age cults. And it does not mention Christ or the soul, so it is not Christian, and doesn't seem to be good science."
"It [Intelligent design] is probably like one of these cults that come along every few years, like New Age. Maybe it will become its own church, like Scientology or Christian Science. I think in two or three years we will hear very little from them."
No one but you has any control over the content of your profile page.
This is remarkably bizarre spin on the actual events.
As it happens, it is a fact that the sun is at the center of the solar system. But knowledgeable historians of science are careful to point out that Galileo was scientifically unable to prove it to be factual.
To date no one can *still* "prove it to be factual". There's no such thing as ironclad "proof" in this reality. Nor does science deal in "proofs".
Your handwaving utterly fails to excuse the Church's behavior in that debacle.
The simple-minded idea that Christianity is closed-minded and discourages scientific advances simply does not hold up to careful historical reading.
Have you *read* some of the replies on this thread?
The contrary argument, that religion was an impediment to science, is the work of anti-Catholic bigots and anti-Christian atheists.
I repeat the question.
There is, even today, a great deal of religiously-motivated resistance and often outright hostility to science, and to science education.
Would you please explain how exactly we got to the point where it takes a male and a female (in hundreds of species throughout the animal world) to procreate? What exact steps did that take? And how did genitalia and reproductive organs and sperm and eggs get involved? Go ahead - use your imagination.
You demonstrate invincible ignorance. Try reading a few recent histories of Galileo.
Okay, you have *got* to be a troll... No one can be *this* misguided, can they?
You can start by reading Darwin's Black Box, if you have the courage.
This is an interesting non-answer to the question of why you had a quote on your profile page from a notorious racist and anti-semite about how interracial marriages cause cultural destruction.
I'm highly suspicious of this individual, myself.
Actually, Intelligent Design theory simply suggests that the evidence makes it likely that some intelligent designer was at work behind the universe as we find it. It makes no claim as to what or who that intelligence is.
Just as you might pick up a piece of flint shaped as an arrowhead and say, "This looks as if it was shaped by intelligence, not chance," so the ID theorist looks at aspects of nature and comes to similar conclusions.
To go from there to say that the creating intelligence is God is a matter for religion, not science. The doctrine of the Trinity and the revelation that Jesus is Savior are things that have been revealed. They are beyond the scope of natural philosophy or theology or science to discover.
So, I think the pastor you cite somewhat misunderstands what ID theorists claim.
The fact is that most PhDs assert that macro evolution is impossible and, therefore, according to these PhDs, the odds are against evolution.
Son, I am a Ph.D. I studied human osteology and fossil man as two of my four fields for the Ph.D. exam.
ps. you have made a fool of yourself.
Well, relativity suggests that we really don't know what is moving in relation to what. But you could say that motion within the solar system is a special case, just as you can say that Newton's laws of motion are a special case that apply for practical purposes to observable motions on earth, until you start approaching the order of magnitude of light speed.
Have you forgotten saying "good bye?"
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