Offering Abortion, Rebirth (Abortion... this article says it all.... without knowing it.)

LA times ^ | 11/29/05 | Stephanie Simon

[HighlyOpinionated]

I think that Satan is motivated to kill all the babies because they remind him of the One Baby he could not kill.

What better way to show abject indifference to Him Who overcame than to destroy those who will never obtain the opportunity to choose Life and the One Who provides life everlasting.

[SaltyJoe]

It may not yet seem as gut wrenching to all humans as of yet, this abominable horror that abortion and stem cell murder is, since not all have been sensitized enough to know evil in the absolute when finality becomes so inevitably near.

It may seem over played that the genuine human heart could be so hardened as to become oblivious to human suffering when similar actions are compared to historical example:

"Whether or not 10,000 Russian women collapse from exhaustion while digging a tank ditch interests me only in so far as the tank ditch is completed for Germany." –Himmler’s Posnan, Poland speech to his SS.

"Described as 'a man of quiet unemotional gestures, a man without nerves', he suffered from psycho-somatic illness, severe headaches and intestinal spasms and almost fainted at the sight of a hundred eastern Jews (including women) being executed for his benefit on the Russian front. Subsequent to this experience, he ordered as a 'more humane means' of execution the use of poison gas in specially constructed chambers disguised as shower rooms."

Nazism, as produced by one of its chief authors, Heinrich Himmler, and abortion are cut from the same cloth.

http://www.holocaust-history.org/himmler-poznan/index.shtml

http://www.thirdreich.net/Himmler_Bio.html

In the closing years of the abortion age, we'll witness more in the likeness of another Holocaust author, Adolf Eichmann, who use his charming powers of persuasion and all available intellectual faculties to persist in accepting abominable horrors.

http://www.historyplace.com/worldwar2/biographies/eichmann.htm

Or Joseph Goebbels who crippled his nation’s perception with persuasive speeches to continue in error and fight what was doomed to die ingloriously.

http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/gpa/goeb63.htm

How quickly the hearts of men forget God's Mercy when we should know that our intelligence is assaulted with mock piety and staged passion. From the airing of a British political TV series, The Final Cut, in which a fictitious MP gives emotional pause while flashing back to his personal crimes as he addresses his nation, reality followed and an American president (ex-president now) has an emotional pause during a his speech of defending abortion and appealing for it to continue.

All sinners are shamed by our errors, and I don't bring up yester-decade's laundry to tear down the future but to address that what was wrong last century was wrong then as it is still wrong now. There was no excuse for Europe to murder Jews as there is no excuse for politicians to defend the holocaust of abortion. Abortionists as well as all mankind must recognize the end is near for this abomination, and all must abandon its inglorious end or be doomed to embrace what fate gave to the authors and supporters of National Socialism.

It’s not mere coincidence that one who was once trapped in the grip of Nazi evil has now become the Vicar of Christ. This, too, is testament of God’s Divine Mercy, and it can be given to those who abandon the errors of holocaust politics.

[SaltyJoe]

"I think that Satan is motivated to kill all the babies because they remind him of the One Baby he could not kill."

I recall a conversation with a young woman concerning the movie "The Exorcist". Why would Satan harm such a young girl? The answer becomes obvious as this, "because a soul is a soul." To understand such, examine how predators act in the wild and why a lion will slaughter a young calf with greater ease than hunting a strong male bull. All fallen creatures must consume. The Risen Lord partakes in the banquet (reference his eating a fish breakfast post Resurrection), and Arch Angels eat only what appears to be meat (reference Tobit and St Raphael...perhaps also another reference to the Victorious Holy Eucharist). But those burdened with original sin must toil for physical nourishment, and those spiritual damned are inclined to devour souls. Reference Genesis, the fall of man and how the snake must crawl on its belly and eat dust...and Adam is reminded of where he came from, where he will return to "dust"...the double meaning of physical corruption as well as how the demon is lurking at the door ready to devour us (reference Cain crestfallen and jealous of Abel).

Thus, when an demon is exiled from the body, it wanders the earth seeking a place to infest. The Sacraments of Reconciliation and the Holy Eucharist provide our bodily Temples the Purity and Communion needed to remain One with Christ.

[SaltyJoe]

Upon further reflection, I have to agree with your statement.

"I think that Satan is motivated to kill all the babies because they remind him of the One Baby he could not kill."

I compare it to how a disobedient child would want to hurt his or her parents with destructive behavior (daughter is angry at dad, so she gets a lower back tattoo, pierces her face several times, and sleeps with her dad's best friends and work place subordinates).

Furthermore, many Exorcist Priests have had to battle Latin speaking demons. I suppose this is to heighten Christ's pain because Roman soldiers were the ones who violated Jesus' body during His Passion.

[Jaded]

The legal limit in Texas used to be 5 or 6. I had a friend who was infertile who worked with a girl that by the age of 23 had hit the limit. Then she had a child with downs syndrome. People gushed about how brave she was. This was all about 20 years ago.

[victim soul]

These stats came from The Alan Gutmacher Institute - Alan Gutmacher was the first president of PLANNED PARENTHOOD! This "institute" is one of many that are basic shills for population control freaks at Planned Parenthood.

At the peak of the abortion rate years, one in three pregnancies were aborted according to the voluntary self- reporting abortionists.

They report today that one in four four American children in utero aree aborted. Of course if you have killed off 1/3 of one generation of fertile women already, it is pretty obvious that the pregnancy and abortion rates would be in decline.

Note: California (one of several states) doesn't even report their killse nor do they require abortionists to report to the state their kills.

Here is one story on rate of repeat abortions.


Special Issue on Repeat Abortion

http://www.lifeissues.net/writers/air/air_vol2no3_1989.html#rar

A.I.R.V.S.C.

Association for Interdisciplinary Research in Values and Social Change
Vol. 2, No 3, Summer, 1989
by Wanda Franz, et al.
Reproduced with Permission


The statistics on repeat abortions are very disturbing. Abortion is supposed to be something which is done with "great concern." It is frequently said, "no one has an abortion casually without giving it a lot of thought. " If abortion is taken so seriously by women there should be very few repeat abortions. And yet nearly 1/2 of all abortions in the U.S. are in this category. Health care professionals and abortion providers should be very interested in the causes of the phenomenon, but there has been very little interest in studying the women involved in the practice. Surgeon General Koop ignored repeat abortion in his recent letter on the health effects of abortion on women. This newsletter has included virtually all of the studies on the subject. These studies, primarily by pro-choice advocates, demonstrate increasing risk of infertility and reproductive damage as well as increasing adverse psychological and social effects.

Surgeon General Koop ignored repeat abortion in his recent analysis on the health effects of abortion Repeat abortion represents a failure of the pro-choice rhetoric. If women truly perceived their abortions in a serious light, why do so many make the same mistakes over and over again. One answer is that abortion is being used as a means of birth control. This is particularly true of repeaters for whom contraception is often ineffective. To use abortion as a form of birth control is a highly objectionable approach given the dangers of repeat abortion to women's health and well being and the repeated massive loss of unborn human life.

A second possible explanation for repeat abortions is that there is pathological causality in the women's behavior. If there is any evidence of pathological ideation, this should truly raise sufficient concerns to encourage research, since there are so many women involved in the practice. The personal stories of women who have had multiple abortions often carry some evidence of this, if only in the sense that the women seem unable to take hold of their own destiny, make choices which are truly beneficial to them, and break the cycle of self-abuse. Indeed, repeat abortions suggests the possibility that women aren't truly acting out of "choice" but are allowing others to use them. If this is so, repeat abortions make a mockery of the slogan "pro-choice."

With the large numbers, and the clear dangers of the practice, it is essential that we take responsibility for protecting women's health by studying it and seeking some way of limiting it's practice.

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Repeat Abortion Rate Approaches 50%
The repeat abortion rate in the U.S. has risen rapidly since Roe v. Wade was decided in 1973. In 1973 it was estimated that only about 12% of the induced abortions were repeat abortions. By 1979 the national repeat rate had risen to 29.4% and by 1983 it had reached 38.8%. In 1987 the Alan Guttmacher Institute took a survey of 9480 women at approximately 100 abortion clinics throughout the U.S. and found that 42.9% of the women said they were having repeat abortions. 26.9% were having a second abortion; 10.7% were having a third abortion; and 5.3% were having a fourth abortion or more. (Henshaw 1987, 1988)

Based upon these figures and also extrapolating the fourth abortion or more category to more precise figures based upon state health department reports of repeat abortions, it is estimated that there were about 643,500 repeat abortions in the U.S. in 1987 out of a total of 1.5 million abortions. Of these 403,500 women had a second abortion; 160,500 had a third abortion; 53,250 had a fourth abortion; 17,500 had a fifth abortion; 4400 had a sixth abortion and 4400 had a seventh or higher abortion.

The highest known number of reported abortions by one woman is 29. The woman was a Brazilian prostitute. A woman in Minnesota was reported by social workers to have had 20 abortions. The woman was suicidal. Rovinsky (1972) reports a case of a woman who had 17 abortions and Fisher (1986) describes a woman who reported 15 abortions in 23 years. The woman reporting 15 abortions was described as "chaotic" and "childlike".

Abortion statistician Christopher Tietze (1978) claimed "The increasing number of repeat abortions reflects the increasing number of women who have had a first abortion and are therefore at risk of having a subsequent abortion" considering the limitations of contraception. But this is neither an accurate nor appropriate response to the problem. Despite intensive contraceptive counseling, abortion counselors are troubled and frustrated by abortion repeaters. It is recognized as perhaps the most difficult issue in abortion counseling. (Berger 1984), (Roe 1985), (Francke 1978). The rate of abortion is much higher among those who already have had at least one prior abortion. Tietze (1978) found that U.S. women having first time abortions in 1974 had a rate of 17.4 per 1000 women aged 15-44, while those who were repeating abortions had a much higher rate of 60.3 per 1000 women of the same age group in the same year. Similar trends were also observed in 1975 and 1976. Steinhoff(1979) in a Hawaiian study of several thousand women who had aborted and then were followed over a five year period found that 40-70% became abortion repeaters. Bracken (1978) in comparing women who chose to carry their child to term with those who chose to abort, found that aborters were significantly more likely to have had a previous abortion.

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[victim soul]

November 30, 2005
Hillary's Doctor Offers 'Born Again' Abortions

http://www.covenantnews.com/newswire/archives/016550.html

Editor's note: According to William F Harrison's book review of My Life by Bill Clinton at Amazon -- This guy was Hillary's doctor and a friend of Bill and Hillary since the 70's.

"I am almost 69 years old, and have been a student of all of the presidents of my lifetime, starting with FDR and going to GWB. I have known Bill and Hillary Clinton personally since they both moved to Fayetteville to teach at the University of Arkansas Law School in the early 70s. I met Hillary first as her physician and she soon introduced me to her then boyfriend, Bill.". William F Harrison

[the right side jedi]

I'm amazed and of course not surprised at the utter selfishness and rationalization that occurs in every single article I read about women who choose abortion. Like it would ruin your high basketball career because you are pregnant? But in every one of these stories even with the super callous Amy Richards who doesnt want to buy large jars of Mayo from Costco is a deep realization that they are killing their child so of course they rationalize it away. Its kind of sad in a pitiful way I guess how self-centered and selfish these people are. Here they have a chance to give the greatest possible gift they could give to someone, a gift from God, and then they say no thank you God and think about themselves and take the easy way out. But of course God always makes the easy choise as opposed to the right choice bite you in the butt whether it be the hole in your heart, a nagging conscience, the wondering of what could have been, or eternal life with the devil. I also don't buy the argument that we should have abortion because every child should be a wanted child. Even though there are horrible mothers out there, you'd be hard pressed to find women even among the worst who when the first see their child or when the child has turned 18 realize that they should have chosen differently. Of course if they try to go back on that decision with a retroactive abortion, we throw them in jail.

I've known at least 4 women who all should have aborted according to the NARAL crowd. All single, poor, still in high school, not ready for a baby, and Daddy wasnt going to help. One was even raped. Despite being the b-word to everyone else, they all love their babies and I know have grown up and changed for the better for it. Seriously how many women despite poverty, circumstances surrounding conception, age, level of readiness, education, and addiction would really look at their child all grown up and think I should have aborted him/her? I bet very few.

[gakrak]

And it's a vary good thing for her that her mother didn't feel the same way. Amen.

[red irish]

I read somewhere that the average woman who has one abortion will more than likely have more. I know of two people who did have more than one abortion. Sometimes the second time the woman or girl gets pregnant it is to replace the first aborted baby but then decide that they could not have that baby so they get another abortion. But let us not forget the part men play in all of this. The three women who I know who got abortions the men in their lives(husbands and one boyfriend)demanded that they get abortions. I think thats why some women get pregnant right away again. You know maybe he might change his mind and want the second baby. Then again the women wanted the second baby because of the loss over the aborted baby.

[red irish]

Anyone who has grown up in a terriable family life and just maybe the child was not treated good, should they have been aborted? Growing up in a violent home scared all the time not knowing for sure about eating. Walking the streets to get away from your violent father who just wants to beat the crap out of your mother, do I qualify? I could go on and get intense but I don't think it is necessary. A few years back I met a very lovely young lady and found out that she was a result of a rape, I will never forget her and her smile. It was hard for me to believe that she should have been dead to make right the evil that was done.That way of thinking the mother should still just blow her brains out! Life is not perfect and never will be. But should will kill anyone who happens to get in the way of our happiness. For me I don't mind paying for kids to be born there are many, many other things the government pays for that get me angry.

[linda_22003]

"she came up to me and said "HI" and I recognized her but forgot who she was."

A woman whom you barely know, can't recognize on sight, and yet you know so much about her gynecological history? Um..... sure.