Posted on 11/30/2005 6:12:08 PM PST by Amerigomag
Do you need to tell people what they're thinking so you can have someone to talk to?
You'd think I dropped a bomb on this thread instead of dumping an elephant in the room!
"Looks to me like CONSERVATIVES did show up and your precious "moderates" who don't particularly care about such things were the ones who didn't show."
... and we go full circle again - Arnold is attacked by conservatives for being a RINO and too liberal, but at the same time he is blamed for his supposed failure to deliver those needed crossover votes.
... as a side note your " Looks to me like " is not a FACT, but lets just say it is -
It's a pretty good admission that without SOMEONE reaching out to the moderates, conservatives simply don't have enough juice to push their issues through.
LOL -
" He had no intention of governing as a conservative...."
NEWS FLASH !!!!
Carry_Okie reports breaking news ... Arnold is not a conservative !
Whoda' thunk it !
That IS why you "moderates" demand conservatives back him. If he can't deliver, he has no justification for conservative support.
Looks to me like " is not a FACT, but lets just say it is -
The votes are there for all to see. That's a FACT.
It's a pretty good admission that without SOMEONE reaching out to the moderates, conservatives simply don't have enough juice to push their issues through.
Which is why 187, 22, 209, and 227 all passed, right? The point is: Conservative issues can and DO win; hence conservative candidates should also, that is, if you "moderates" stop stabbing them in the back like they did to Bill Simon.
Moderates do win elections with conservative support, as did Pete Wilson. OTOH, if "moderates" stab conservatives in the back, they LOSE elections. That's the lession you refuse to learn.
The fools who supported him thought he would cut spending. That includes you.
We who live in California and espouse the Republican viewpoint are really stuck, and that's the truth. It's such a diasppointment that the Governor is doing what he is doing and thereby is destroying his base support. I had great hope that he would be able to make a really significant turnaround in this state, but not now.
The districts were gerrymandered years ago in an effort to benefit whatever Democratic majority there might be, and I don't see that it will change in the forseeable future, or at least not in OUR lifetime.
We have illegal aliens coming over day after day expecting and getting all the FREE stuff we give them by way of our taxes here in California, and the wealthy Democrats like Barbara Boxer, Nancy Pelosi, Dianne Feinstein, ad infinitum, just really don't give a DAMN and they are USELESS pieces of skin, all of them.
Incapable of "it"? And what, exactly, does your pronoun refer to?
"If he can't deliver, he has no justification for conservative support. "
LOL ... and this from a McClintock supporter...
"Which is why 187, 22, 209, and 227 all passed, right? The point is: Conservative issues can and DO win;"
Just which ones of these were conservative issues and not moderate issues again ?
... or do they become strictly conservative issues only AFTER they win ?
"OTOH, if "moderates" stab conservatives in the back, they LOSE elections."
... and those conservatives are rewarded for this by the election of liberals, sinking us further into the pit.
"The fools who supported him thought he would cut spending. That includes you."
... ANYONE who thought that Arnold would be able to single-handedly cut spending was a fool.
Anyone who realized that and did not vote for him because of it was a bigger fool.
Incapable of thinking, as your reaction amply proves, again.
BTW, people have been banned on FR for maintaining multiple screen names. I suggest you drop one of them.
No one said anything about "singlehandedly." What Arnold has done, submitting budgets with an accelerated growth rate and failing to wield the line item veto, is entirely under his control.
Try learning to debate without a strawman as a shield.
"No one said anything about "singlehandedly." What Arnold has done, submitting budgets with an accelerated growth rate and failing to wield the line item veto, is entirely under his control."
"The Governor made changes, reductions and deletions to 40 different line items in the main budget bill, referred to as "line item vetoes" or using his "blue pencil" - a power granted by the State Constitution."
http://www.namiscc.org/Advocacy/2004/CA-Bills/Summer/GovSignsBudget.htm
Perhaps you mean failing to wield it in the fashion that YOU would like ?
... and "entirely under his control" means "singlehandedly"
"Try learning to debate without a strawman as a shield."
LOL - If you don't like my posts try using Crtl-Alt-Delete
Just keep making things up, RS. You ignore facts and your "arguments" are absent all logic. I supported Props 73 through 75. I would have been very pleased if Arnold "handed" these to the state of California.
By the way, moderate Republican analyst Dan Schnur has just gone on the record saying that this was "a special-election reform effort supported almost solely by conservative voters. "
Keep on spinning! When will the party give you new talking points? Yours are quite stale and have been proven wrong on thread after thread.
True. $435,322 worth of vetoes out of more than $200,000,000,000 is hardly the "cut, cut, cut" that voters had in mind.
The governor has used the line-item veto 133 times in the past two years, cutting $435,322 in spending. (Source)
"By the way, moderate Republican analyst Dan Schnur has just gone on the record saying that this was "a special-election reform effort supported almost solely by conservative voters. "
Well shut my mouth and call me cornpone ... looks like conservative voters were almost ... ALMOST .... 50%
Too bad they didn't support Arnold more and convince him to drag a few more percentages with him.
But a solid second place ... Great for the Conservative revolution !
</sarcasm>
The mushy-moderate middle that helps elect action heros didn't show up.
Blame them (and the most inept campaign in recent history).
"Blame them (and the most inept campaign in recent history)."
But, but I thought it was "supported almost solely by conservative voters" ... are you saying their campaign was inept ?
( well obviously, since they lost ... )
BTW, since one of your cohorts here says conservatives are only about 15% -- where did the other almost 35% come from ?
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