Cops could check traffic stops for concealed carry permits

WBAY TV 2 ^ | 11-30-2005 | WBAY TV 2

[goldstategop]

Well its like in OH. The key isn't winning over Doyle, its winning over a few crossover Democratic votes in an override. Live with some restrictions now and relax them down the road.

(Denny Crane: "I Don't Want To Socialize With A Pinko Liberal Democrat Commie.Say What You Like About Republicans. We Stick To Our Convictions. Even When We Know We're Dead Wrong.")

[babygene]

"Any cop afraid of an armed law-abiding citizen should not be on the job."

I would guess that it's just the opposite with cops. The fact that I have a permit, tells them I'm not a crazy. (so they think!)

[paul51]

He says the change would protect both people in the car and officers on the approach

What do police have to fear from responsible law abiding gun owners? Now, what responsible, law abiding gun owners have to fear from police, that could be another discussion.

[endthematrix]

I can understand if the cops want to snoop. In IL it's common practice to ask, "Got anything in the car you shouldn't have?" Of course the idiots say, "sure, some dope and a glock right under the seat officer." The brighter ones say, "No. And no I don't consent to you sniffing around my car, because you don't trust what I just said."

[Extremely Extreme Extremist]

"But he (Sen. Dave Zien, R-Eau Claire) said he hopes the amendments might persuade Doyle to sign the bill. If not, they should improve the chances of the Legislature overriding a veto, he said. Some of the changes could be removed later, he added. "When it does become law, we'll tinker with it," Zien said.

Concealed Weapons Bills Edges Closer

Well, you might be right after all. But you know how politicians are. Once something's in place it'll remain there longer than the half-lives of spent nuclear fuel.

[flashbunny]

"There is absolutely no need for any police officers to run background checks on concealed-carry permit holders"

They won't be running background checks on CCW holders. This just allows them to see if the person the vehicle is registered to has a CCW permit.

It's a feel good / do nothing amendment, designed to gain political support. There's no telling when you run a tag before you approach if the owner is the one driving. Or if it's a criminal who's stolen the car and it hasn't been reported yet.

It does nothing for officer safety, but it keeps a couple of police groups from objecting to the bill, which makes it more likely the veto would be overturned.

"I'm actually hoping that Doyle vetoes this bill."

Well, he will. But are you hoping the veto is upheld? That would be foolish.

The concealed carry bill sucks. Too much training time, too many restrictions.

However, it's better than what wisconsin has now.

Likely it will be vetoed, which will be fodder for 2006. But adding something like this makes an override of that veto more likely.

Once it gets passed, and there's a republican governor in place, restrictions can be removed and training time can be lowered to something that isn't so ridiculous. But you need to get the foot in the door first, so they can come back and say "we've had CCW for a year and it's been great, now we need to improve it".

If you want a perfect bill, there's no chance your going to get it at this time.

[de Buillion]

"What is the police afraid of?"

And what grade is you in, EEE?

[flashbunny]

"Once something's in place it'll remain there longer than the half-lives of spent nuclear fuel."

Have you even paid attention to how the CCW fight has gone in other states?

They passed compromise laws to get it signed. After awhile, they start chipping away at the restrictions and requirements, because they have in-state evidence that it's working and there's no danger in allowing CCW. So they allow carrying in more places, lower some requirements, maybe lower fees or extend permit time, and in the case of alaska, made the need to get a CCW permit unnecessary.

[calex59]

Here in Texas, you MUST hand over your CC permit along with license when stopped.

Here is CA, we are not required to mention we have a CCW. In fact we are told not to mention it because this saves problems with cops going paranoid over our having a permit. I guess CA is not as oppressed as some other states, such as Texas and WI.

[c-b 1]

Any cop afraid of an armed law-abiding citizen should not be on the job.

I agree.

Usually those objecting are Police Chiefs, or upper level management, most of the guys on the streets don't object to law-abiding citizens carrying guns.

[goodnesswins]

Oh, great.....coming to Oregon soon, I'm sure.....where you're not allowed to Carry if you don't have a CARRY PERMIT in THEIR STATE! (We live in WA and have permits here, but go to Oregon often.....carrying.)

[flashbunny]

"I don't blame LEOs for wanting to know as soon as possible that you have a firearm with you."

However, this is meaningless, because every cop should approach every traffic stop as though the occupants of the car are armed.

The people they need to worry about aren't going to be listed on any database.

[vetvetdoug]

In Mississippi it is legal to carry a firearm/handgun without a permit. LEO assume everyone they stop has a weapon immediately and are careful at all stops. LEO's should assume all are armed that they stop because if they become complacent and careless, they will put their lives in peril when they do encounter a criminal.

Every law abiding American citizen should have the legal right to carry a defense handgun without any government encumbrance.

[clee1]

LEOs have NOTHING to fear from armed, law-abiding citizens.

However, it IS nice to know that the guy you just pulled over is packing - but there is no need to run a check on every vehicle you pull over.

When I get pulled over by a fellow LEO (it happens fairly regularly; I have a heavy foot), I roll down the window, put both hands on the window ledge and announce that I have a concealed firearm. I then go on to state that I have a CCW and am a member of LE.

Forewarned is forearmed.

[Chasaway]

Here in Texas, if you have a gun with you and you're pulled over, you're required to notify the officer that you have one. You don't and you can lose the license to carry.

To the best of my knowledge, you don't have to hand your CCL over if you're not carrying, BUT...it will come up on the system when they check your DL and they'll probably come back and ask if you have a handgun with you. So it actually cuts down on the awkardness to go ahead and give it to 'em.

I've had a couple of tickets since I got my CCL, once when I had a pistol in the car and once not, and it wasn't a problem either time.

[clee1]

Rank-and-file LEOs have no fear of armed, law-abiding citizens.

[Extremely Extreme Extremist]

And what grade is you in, EEE?

Excuse me? What grade is I'm in?

Do your parents know you're on the computer?

[Extremely Extreme Extremist]

Have you even paid attention to how the CCW fight has gone in other states?

I admit that I haven't and concede that I jumped the gun (pun intended) a little.

[Wilhelm Tell]

In fact we are told not to mention it because this saves problems with cops going paranoid over our having a permit. I guess CA is not as oppressed as some other states, such as Texas and WI.

Actually, I think CA is more oppressed if the police get paranoid about a "mere citizen" legally having a gun. In a freer state, most police are not shocked (as if it is something unusual) if a citizen legally carries a gun. In the People's Republic of California, many people have been conditioned to believe that it is unthinkable that a peon should own a gun, much less legally carry one.

[Smokin' Joe]

Mine is visible right behind my ND Driver's license in my wallet. As a practical consideration, it lets the police here know you've been vetted through the State Dept. of Criminal Investigation. You are officially "one of the good guys".

A polite demeanor and being on a first name with all the police does not hurt (His/her first name is "Officer").

The results sure beat having a BS attitude.

Of course, I really haven't been pulled over here for chickencrap, on rare occasions it is just for going faster than the sign says (back when the limit was 55 instead of 70)