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FLASHBACK 2004: Zogby Polling Seeks Damage Control After Election Day Flub (FOR LEVIN)
CNSnews.com ^ | December 09, 2004 | Marc Morano

Posted on 12/01/2005 3:22:58 PM PST by new yorker 77

(Correction: Following the certification of Ohio's election results, Bush defeated Kerry by nearly 119,000 votes. Also clarifies reference to exit polls in 17th graph.)

Capitol Hill (CNSNews.com) - Following an Election Day prediction that Democratic candidate John Kerry would win more than 300 electoral votes and the presidency, one of America's most well known polling firms continued the job Wednesday of explaining its flawed projection.

Shawnta Watson Walcott, communications director for Zogby International, joined a group of liberal Democrats at a faux congressional hearing focused on whether fraud influenced the Nov. 2 outcome.

"... it has become increasingly clear that this election has produced unprecedented levels of suspicion regarding its outcome, and we join this panel discussion in an attempt to find a resolution to these issues," said Walcott, who represented the firm's president and long time political pollster John Zogby at the forum sponsored by Democratic members of the House Judiciary Committee.

On Election Day, Zogby predicted that Kerry would win 311 electoral votes. For much of that afternoon, he also rated the state of Virginia as too close to call. Not only did President Bush end up winning Virginia by 9 percentage points over Kerry, he won 286 electoral votes, over 3.3 million popular vote more than Kerry and, of course, re-election.

But with a Rayburn House Office Building meeting room as the backdrop, Judiciary Committee Democrats, liberal special interest groups and individuals like Rainbow PUSH Coalition founder Jesse Jackson Wednesday alleged that the election had been marred by fraud and malfunctioning voting machines.

Walcott told the group assembled that Zogby International had questions of its own pertaining to the election.

"We have received thousands of letters and phone calls regarding irregularities - many of which center on early exit polling results that were uncharacteristically inaccurate in several battleground states; questionable practices at polling stations that may have resulted in votes not being counted accurately; and in Ohio, as with other swing states, the automated Diebold machines were particularly disturbing because they offered no voting receipts" she said.

"It is with this intention that we recommend that a blue ribbon bipartisan panel be developed to investigate the allegations discussed here today ..." Walcott added.

Later, another noted political observer questioned the wisdom of Walcott attending the partisan event at the Rayburn Office Building.

Larry Sabato, director of the Center for Politics at the University of Virginia, said Zogby polling may have crossed a line in its call for an investigation of the election results.

"It's highly unusual for a pollster who claims not to be partisan to issue such a call [for an investigation]," Sabato told CNSNews.com.

When asked whether he thought Zogby might be trying to spread the idea of voter fraud to explain his mistaken pre-election prediction, Sabato responded, "I can't comment on [Zogby's] motives. I have no idea. But I can tell you this. This whole [election fraud] hullabaloo is malarky."

In explaining her presence at Wednesday's meeting, Walcott said she was offering "recommendations that may help restore the dignity and public confidence in the democratic process -- a process that is clearly worth protecting."

But Sabato said such criticisms of the election process were without merit.

"There is absolutely no chance that the election was stolen, and there is absolutely no chance that the election results will be reversed in Ohio -- regardless of how many investigations are done," Sabato added.

Democrats have centered most of their allegations of election mismanagement or wrongdoing on Ohio, even though President Bush beat Kerry in the state by nearly 119,000 votes.

Sabato also ridiculed the assertion by Zogby International that exit polls were "uncharacteristically inaccurate" in 2004. "They have been characteristically inaccurate in 2000, 2002, 2004 -- wrong three times in a row and highly inaccurate," Sabato said.

"So talking about cynicism, the cynicism is being generated by these wild claims. Was it a perfect election? No. Has there ever been a perfect election in the history of the world? No," Sabato concluded.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: bushvictory; zogby

1 posted on 12/01/2005 3:22:59 PM PST by new yorker 77
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To: new yorker 77
How's this for an explanation? Zogby wanted Kerry to win so that is how he called it. The man forgot that he is supposed to be objective and factored his own desires into the data...much the same as the MSM does everyday.
2 posted on 12/01/2005 3:26:43 PM PST by Gator101
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To: new yorker 77

IIRC, Pennsylvania was a closer call than Ohio. Why aren't the libs calling for an investigation into the accuracy of that vote?



Oh, that's right: PA went (narrowly) for D-Student Kerry.


3 posted on 12/01/2005 3:28:23 PM PST by Little Pig (Is it time for "Cowboys and Muslims" yet?)
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To: new yorker 77

Take up fishing at least you can do some good with your pole.


4 posted on 12/01/2005 3:31:03 PM PST by kentj
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To: Gator101
The man forgot that he is supposed to be objective

Nobody is totally objective - we all have our beliefs and feelings for who is right and wrong. This guy was obviously pushing one of the other. I don't believe a single poll published in this country. Not only are the questions slanted to give the desired results, but now we hear they oversample Dims over the Pubbies.

5 posted on 12/01/2005 3:35:09 PM PST by p23185 (Why isn't attempting to take down a sitting Pres & his Admin considered Sedition?)
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To: new yorker 77

Likewise Minnesota, New Hampshire.


6 posted on 12/01/2005 3:35:20 PM PST by Little Pig (Is it time for "Cowboys and Muslims" yet?)
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To: Little Pig

Pennsylvania had numerous problems. The Philadelphia vote is always suspect. The females running out of the prisons with absentee ballots under thier shirts was unreal. It was witnessed by news organizations. They were bringing the ballots to Philly City Hall to be counted. Moveon.org was at every poll with obnoxious people from out of state.
Our rural poll had moveon.org people from Florida, Vermont and New Jersey. They took up parking places with the out of state vehicles plastered with Kerry signs. Each member of moveon.org was condescending and rude. I am sure this next election will be much worse. George Soros has a legion of really ugly and angry people ready to help him with his desire to change America and move to the extreme left


7 posted on 12/01/2005 3:38:13 PM PST by oldironsides
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To: new yorker 77

Zogby has turned out to be a huge dissapointment. He reminds me of David Brock; someone who started with such promise but finished so poorly.


8 posted on 12/01/2005 3:38:55 PM PST by kublia khan (Absolute war brings total victory)
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To: Little Pig

As long as they're at it, they can investigate Michigan and Wisconsin as well. Both were closer than Ohio if I'm not mistaken.


9 posted on 12/01/2005 3:39:54 PM PST by goalinestan
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To: p23185
Zogby should not be even given any consideration when they
release poll results. What does statistics have to do with
partianship? Nothing, either they blew there polling or
they were slanted towards Kerry to began with.

Either way, say goodnight Zogby.
10 posted on 12/01/2005 3:40:00 PM PST by padre35
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To: goalinestan

Hey, as long as the, ahem, "votes", put the 'Rat in the "win" column, no need for "investigations." Nuttin' to see there, no suh.


11 posted on 12/01/2005 3:47:09 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj (Cheney X -- Destroying the Liberal Democrat Traitors By Any Means Necessary -- Ya Dig ? Sho 'Nuff.)
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To: new yorker 77

I am holding a fuax congressional hearing at my house. I am open to suggestions as to what the topic is, who can be declared an expert on it and what group should be victimized.

Do not laugh at this.


I am serious.



12 posted on 12/01/2005 3:51:52 PM PST by Shanty Shaker (IT WAS BECAUSE IT WAS)
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To: new yorker 77
Sabato also ridiculed the assertion by Zogby International that exit polls were "uncharacteristically inaccurate" in 2004. "They have been characteristically inaccurate in 2000, 2002, 2004 -- wrong three times in a row and highly inaccurate," Sabato said.

Exactly the Dems' argument... except that THEY say that the the exit polls were accurate.. that the funny business was in the paperless voting machines.

Personally, I don't see what was wrong with paper voting - and hand recounts (worked just fine back when I was an election judge). It would be one less excuse for the Dems..

13 posted on 12/01/2005 3:56:20 PM PST by razorgirl
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To: new yorker 77
Following an Election Day prediction that Democratic candidate John Kerry would win more than 300 electoral votes and the presidency, one of America's most well known polling firms continued the job Wednesday of explaining its flawed projection.

"Well, it turns out we just plain suck at polling!" said a Zogby spokesperson.
14 posted on 12/01/2005 4:54:09 PM PST by flashbunny (To err is human. But to really screw something up, have the government try to fix it.)
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