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Arnold's New Dance Partner
CaliforniaRepublic.org ^ | 12/2/05 | Eric Hogue

Posted on 12/02/2005 11:03:02 AM PST by NormsRevenge

We can discuss all of the details surrounding the bad run up to the election, the mistakes with drafting the initiatives and the battles within the horseshoe itself...but time calls for me to be short and to the point:

1. I'm still placing some 'blame' squarely upon the conservatives of the Republican Party. The "Tombots", along with the 'continual vendetta crowd' (you know who you are) never embraced Arnold. Simple 'pride' wouldn't let go of the 'sour grapes' they held as the party went for the win in the recall election (BTW: I still believe it was the right thing to do!). They eventually drove support, and voters away from Arnold's administration and his agenda.

Arnold was willing to stick his neck our on conservative issues, legislation, vetoes and a tough (not perfect) special ballot. He did accomplished some major successes for the Republican ideology. But in the end, the major loss surrounding the "Special Election" left him cold, he didn't feel the love from the conservative core, he got mad...so he has changed dance partners. He is now a scorned lover.

2. This administration's conservative agenda, whether fiscal or social, is over. Arnold has no direction and no 'trust' from any of the Republican leaders. He has decided to make his bed in the 'moderate center', and the liberal core socially. Yes, there are some encouraging words about Susan Kennedy's tough stance on the 'tax and spend' mentality of the Democrat majority, but I have little hope that we can escape tax increases in the next budget. Forget about our chances when it comes to "Same Sex Marriage" and conservative ideals as they relate to legislation. The only question that remains is how long Legislative Affairs Secretary Richard Costigan and Deputy Cynthia Bryant will call the horseshoe home.

3. I'm guessing a large, wide majority of the GOP will further sour on Arnold Schwarzenegger, this will cause him to move further and further to the left. He is a man who likes to be liked. I wouldn't be surprised if he announced himself as an 'Independent' for his second run as governor. No, not to mimic the position of Jessie Ventura (Arnold is not a Jesse, he's bright, intelligent and personally successful), but he might move to the Independent statements, if not the full party affiliation move, to make a statement to the populous of the voters in California..."I'm no ultra-conservative Republican, and I'm not a liberal Democrat, I'm my own man, and Independent of sorts." He came close Wednesday afternoon during the press conference.

4. The party needs to make a decision, do you run with this guy, or do you find another horse? Right now the party has no other option, and Schwarzenegger knows it, advantage Arnold, and Phil Angelides. It may be ten years before the GOP has another opportunity.

5. Finally, remember the "missed opportunity" here; we had a very conservative ballot, and a very conservative possibility for the state fiscally, as well as socially with Prop 73. We...we, the voters did NOT run to the polls as did the unions and the Democrats.

We, the conservatives should take one hard lesson from this disaster; when you have a chance to support a candidate that is 75% conservative, or an initiative ballot that is 60%, or even 50%, of what is needed and desired - we MUST support it with gusto. Increments toward the right, especially in California, are steps in the "right direction".

Now, because of vendetta on our part, and an ego that is looking to be loved on Arnold's part, the Republican Party is shrinking right along with the future of this state.

In summary; Governor Schwarzenegger we all lost the "Special Election", but with this nomination as Chief of Staff, you have lost me as a supporter of your administration. It is now a pitch-by-pitch scenario governor, and we are expecting a few curve balls, careful when and where you throw them

The "Home of the Recall" stands at a distance!


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: arnold; dancing; oneterminator; partner; tombots
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Eric Hogue is a talk radio host at Sacramento station KTKZ and is the principal behind the blog Hogue Blog.
1 posted on 12/02/2005 11:03:04 AM PST by NormsRevenge
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To: NormsRevenge

Would you like some gubamint cheese to go along with your whine, Eric?


2 posted on 12/02/2005 11:03:31 AM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Monthly Donor spoken Here. Go to ... https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: NormsRevenge
I'm still placing some 'blame' squarely upon the conservatives of the Republican Party.

That's right...blame the Conservatives while Arnold's crew increasingly reflects Gray Davis's old staff.

What a clueless tool. Someone should see what he's spiking the Kool-Aid with.


3 posted on 12/02/2005 11:06:37 AM PST by Prime Choice (Mechanical Engineers build weapons. Civil Engineers build targets.)
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To: NormsRevenge
Its our fault and we deserved to get socked. Too bad we couldn't swallow a Democrat Lite agenda.

(Denny Crane: "I Don't Want To Socialize With A Pinko Liberal Democrat Commie.Say What You Like About Republicans. We Stick To Our Convictions. Even When We Know We're Dead Wrong.")

4 posted on 12/02/2005 11:07:52 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: NormsRevenge

aRnold is no FRed Astaire and Susan is definitely no Ginger. DUhhh!

What's the old saying 'bout dancing with the gal that brung ya?

Keep in mind he got a majority of his votes from dems and indies, not conservatives.


5 posted on 12/02/2005 11:09:27 AM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Monthly Donor spoken Here. Go to ... https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: NormsRevenge

"There are two sides to every issue: one side is right and the other is wrong, but the middle is always evil."
AYN RAND


6 posted on 12/02/2005 11:09:32 AM PST by HuntsvilleTxVeteran (Rush agrees with me 98.5% of the time!)
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To: NormsRevenge
The "Tombots", along with the 'continual vendetta crowd' (you know who you are) never embraced Arnold. Simple 'pride' wouldn't let go of the 'sour grapes' they held as the party went for the win in the recall election

*snicker*
He surely is a Freeper.

7 posted on 12/02/2005 11:13:16 AM PST by PRND21
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To: NormsRevenge
He has decided to make his bed in the 'moderate center', and the liberal core socially.

I don't think this is a change...

8 posted on 12/02/2005 11:14:49 AM PST by GVnana
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To: goldstategop
The circular shooting squad is getting started early.

The special election was a bad idea tactically in a state like Colly-four-nya. Likely voters in these events are driven by machines and all the machines in CA are on the left. What failed then would have passed or been much, much closer if it was on the general ballot.

When thinking about CA, if you ever get depressed and don't know where to put your efforst, just visualize "Lt. Governor Tom McClintock."

9 posted on 12/02/2005 11:14:52 AM PST by mbraynard (I don't even HAVE a mustache!)
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To: GVgirl

Now if he would at least try and fake a visit to fiscal sanity and not propose another close to 10 % increase in the budget..


10 posted on 12/02/2005 11:16:27 AM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Monthly Donor spoken Here. Go to ... https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: NormsRevenge
I said it before and I will say it many times more...

IF EVERY CONSERVATIVE TURNED OUT AND VOTED FOR THESE PIGS IN A POKE THEY WOULD HAVE STILL LOST AGAINIST THE MONEY AND LIES OF THE UNION GOONS!

Did The Arnold do all he could to raise tens of millions to promote them?

11 posted on 12/02/2005 11:18:59 AM PST by tubebender (Why is it we never have time to visit family when they are alive but can always make their funerals)
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To: NormsRevenge
Keep in mind he got a majority of his votes from dems and indies, not conservatives.

Bingo. And that's because there aren't enough conservatives in California to win a statewide election. You have to build alliances -- good old-fashioned retail politics -- or you perish.

12 posted on 12/02/2005 11:26:36 AM PST by Publius
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To: PRND21

the party went for the win in the recall election
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and lost its arse downstream as a result of the state budgets proposed by the "True Reformer" that were as substantial as any dem Gub would likely have proposed.


13 posted on 12/02/2005 11:27:26 AM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Monthly Donor spoken Here. Go to ... https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: NormsRevenge

If Arnold thinks he can appeal to the left enough to get them to vote Republican, he's out of his skull.

This is nothing more than small-minded stupidity from a guy who is too much in love with himself and wants to find someone else to blame when he loses.

Actually, I know quite a few Freepers who gritted their teeth, swallowed their principles, and voted for this Schlemiel in the special election, because they were persuaded that that was the only way to defeat Bustamente. And maybe in the circumstances, they were right.

Frankly, it's too bad that Rove and Parsky rammed this idiot into the recall process in the first place after the real conservatives managed the recall. Now they are about to reap what they have sown--the further destruction of the California Republican party and Arnold's defeat in the next primary or the general election if he switches to independent.


14 posted on 12/02/2005 11:29:47 AM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Publius

So the reality is conservatism is not worth fighting for in California is what you are effectively saying.

Oh, now I get it. I guess we bettere tell the small minority presence in the legsilature to just roll over and go along woth the head schlemiel and let taxes get raised, and to hell with what 5.5 million constituents believe in.

It appears FR is full of defeatism, at least when it comes to California anyway.


15 posted on 12/02/2005 11:38:05 AM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Monthly Donor spoken Here. Go to ... https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: NormsRevenge; Carry_Okie; FOG724; calcowgirl; ElkGroveDan

He's just as "stuck on stupid" as Hew Hewittless!!!


16 posted on 12/02/2005 11:45:23 AM PST by SierraWasp (The only thing that can save CA is making eastern CA the 51st state called Sierra Republic!!!)
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To: Prime Choice

Absolutely Perfect!!!


17 posted on 12/02/2005 11:45:58 AM PST by SierraWasp (The only thing that can save CA is making eastern CA the 51st state called Sierra Republic!!!)
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To: NormsRevenge; SierraWasp; calcowgirl
They eventually drove support, and voters away from Arnold's administration and his agenda.

I do believe Arnold did that, not us. This is getting so old.

18 posted on 12/02/2005 11:48:33 AM PST by FOG724 (http://gravenimagemusic.com/)
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To: NormsRevenge
This administration's conservative agenda, whether fiscal or social, is over.

You mean it had one? This is big news. Why didn't I hear about this?

19 posted on 12/02/2005 11:50:01 AM PST by FOG724 (http://gravenimagemusic.com/)
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To: Publius; NormsRevenge
"You have to build alliances"

Granted, but not with the devils like the GangGreenGubernor has been doing repeatedly!!!

Plus, as George Washington said... "Beware of entangling alliances!"

20 posted on 12/02/2005 11:52:02 AM PST by SierraWasp (The only thing that can save CA is making eastern CA the 51st state called Sierra Republic!!!)
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To: NormsRevenge
when you have a chance to support a candidate that is 75% conservative

I, for one, would gladly support a condidate that is 75% conservative. Show me one and I'll vote for em.

21 posted on 12/02/2005 11:52:29 AM PST by FOG724 (http://gravenimagemusic.com/)
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To: tubebender

You have spoken the truth of the matter, loudly and clearly!!!


22 posted on 12/02/2005 11:54:59 AM PST by SierraWasp (The only thing that can save CA is making eastern CA the 51st state called Sierra Republic!!!)
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To: NormsRevenge
I'm guessing a large, wide majority of the GOP will further sour on Arnold Schwarzenegger...

Well, Mr. Hogue, I'm guessing you're right. Heck although it took you until the end of your article, even you have reached the same conclusion most of us have when you said, "Governor Schwarzenegger we all lost the 'Special Election,' but with this nomination as Chief of Staff, you have lost me as a supporter of your administration."

23 posted on 12/02/2005 11:57:49 AM PST by Wolfstar ("In war, there are usually only two exit strategies: victory or defeat." Mark Steyn)
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To: NormsRevenge; 1380 KTKZ Sacramento
I'm still placing some 'blame' squarely upon the conservatives of the Republican Party.

Thanks Eric for that brilliant analysis. It's all the fault of conservatives. Give it a rest.

This guy said it best this morning:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1532693/posts

24 posted on 12/02/2005 12:04:20 PM PST by ElkGroveDan (California bashers will be called out)
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To: Cicero
Actually, I know quite a few Freepers who gritted their teeth, swallowed their principles, and voted for this Schlemiel in the special election, because they were persuaded that that was the only way to defeat Bustamente.

I'm one of them.

Frankly, it's too bad that Rove and Parsky rammed this idiot into the recall process in the first place after the real conservatives managed the recall.

You lose me here, Cicero.

First, no one "rammed" Arnold into the recall process. He made that decision on his own because, without a primary to deal with, he saw it as an easy path to election. He was right. Subsequently, he has done everything he possibly could to keep the President and most Republicans at arms length.

Second, the recall was a huge mistake. I don't know the true background of who started it and why, but yes, its largest number of supporters were "real" conservatives of the type who make up the great majority of FR posters. However, even "real" conservatives are subject to the human condition. Even they make mistakes. The recall was a monumental one.

25 posted on 12/02/2005 12:07:36 PM PST by Wolfstar ("In war, there are usually only two exit strategies: victory or defeat." Mark Steyn)
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To: NormsRevenge; Publius
So the reality is conservatism is not worth fighting for in California is what you are effectively saying.

Norm, it is worth fight for, but we've just been doing a breathtakingly stupid job of it, and for far, far too long.

26 posted on 12/02/2005 12:10:31 PM PST by Wolfstar ("In war, there are usually only two exit strategies: victory or defeat." Mark Steyn)
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To: Cicero

Frankly, it's too bad that Rove and Parsky rammed this idiot into the recall process in the first place after the real conservatives managed the recall.

Goes to show that Parsky and Rove hate Conservatives! (see Toomey, Shundler etc) I won't mind if Ahnol -D loses reelection since Maria has her eyes on the White House, & I hope Simon challenges him in the primary! Never vote for Kennedys...you only get what you deserve.


27 posted on 12/02/2005 12:12:00 PM PST by christynsoldier (FACTA, NON VERBA ( Deeds , Not Words))
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To: Cicero

Frankly, it's too bad that Rove and Parsky rammed this idiot into the recall process in the first place after the real conservatives managed the recall.

Goes to show that Parsky and Rove hate Conservatives! (see Toomey, Shundler etc) I won't mind if Ahnol -D loses reelection since Maria has her eyes on the White House, & I hope Simon challenges him in the primary! Never vote for Kennedys...you only get what you deserve.


28 posted on 12/02/2005 12:14:14 PM PST by christynsoldier (FACTA, NON VERBA ( Deeds , Not Words))
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To: NormsRevenge
Arnold was willing to stick his neck our on conservative issues,

Yup Eric. I still remember the 3 times he did this.

1) He reinstituted a General Fund subsidy of a hated tax transfering the burden to the next generation.
2) He vetoed legislation that would have provided a wealth of taxpayer supported benefits to illegal aliens.
3) He vetoed an attempt to mainstream deviant behavior.

How brave he was. Standing up to the liberal establishment. Never mind the mob that was poised to stick him in the butt with a pitchfork if he didn't.

29 posted on 12/02/2005 12:14:41 PM PST by Amerigomag
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To: NormsRevenge
Let me give this guy a clue. There are more liberals in CA than there are conservatives. The conservative counties, over 90 percent of them voted for his initiatives. They were beaten in the liberal counties, which outnumber the condervatives population wise. If doesn't take a genius to figure it out, but instead of admitting he was wrong Arnold wants to blame the conservatives. You can't get conservative issues passed in a state that is controlled by liberals, especially when the Unions are backing the liberal side.

These props didn't pass because the Unions pushed hard to get them defeated, the conservatives turned out in good number but there just isn't that many of us. So stick your stupid opinion up you a** where it belongs. Arnold sold us out and before he made Gray Davis's favorite pet his own.

30 posted on 12/02/2005 12:15:03 PM PST by calex59 (Seeing the light shouldn't make you blind...)
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To: NormsRevenge

Girlie man is toast.


31 posted on 12/02/2005 12:24:29 PM PST by John Lenin (Is it safe ?)
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To: mbraynard
When thinking about CA, if you ever get depressed and don't know where to put your efforst, just visualize "Lt. Governor Tom McClintock."

I predict here and now that McClintock will receive the same or less support in his campaign from the official Republican Party apparatus as Jones did in his Senate run vs. Boxer. That is to say, nothing even noticeable.

The Republican Party sees CA as nothing but an ATM for their national agenda, and doesn't give a damn about promoting a Republican agenda at the State level. They don't seek strong candidates and they don't support the ones they do run. They compromise constantly with the status quo, as long as the gerrymanders preserve their own little fiefdoms, while settling for the permanent minority status that preserves. And it will stay that way as long as the Riordan/Wilson/Drier types hold sway. Arnold Schwarzenegger's candidacy at the last moment in the recall was a blatant powerplay by that wing, at the expense of the grass roots conservatives who got it going.

32 posted on 12/02/2005 12:38:46 PM PST by LexBaird (tyrannosaurus Lex, unapologetic carnivore)
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To: Wolfstar
First, no one "rammed" Arnold into the recall process. He made that decision on his own because, without a primary to deal with, he saw it as an easy path to election.

Don't be naive. Schwarzenegger was a political protege of Richard Riordan, and there was a publicly reported agreement between them that one was going to jump into the recall. If you think it was a spontaneous decision by Arnold on Leno's show, you're gullible. It was a ploy by the established powerplayers who saw that the other machine candidates weren't gaining enough traction. That's why they all stepped aside for Arnold shortly after his announcement.

33 posted on 12/02/2005 1:02:09 PM PST by LexBaird (tyrannosaurus Lex, unapologetic carnivore)
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To: LexBaird
Don't be naive. Schwarzenegger was a political protege of Richard Riordan, and there was a publicly reported agreement between them that one was going to jump into the recall.

I remember the agreement. When I said Arnold made that decision "on his own," I didn't mean in a vaccum without consulting with his closest confidants. I meant he made it without influences from outside the state, specifically Karl Rove. Schwarzenegger has kept President Bush and others in the administration as far removed from his own political career as he possibly could.

34 posted on 12/02/2005 1:11:21 PM PST by Wolfstar ("In war, there are usually only two exit strategies: victory or defeat." Mark Steyn)
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To: LexBaird
I think I'm writing off your analysis totally.

The Republican Party sees CA as nothing but an ATM for their national agenda, and doesn't give a damn about promoting a Republican agenda at the State level

The R party is different in the state than nationally. You seem not to know that they are different apparatti.

Further, nationally, the money that is raised in CA stayed in CA. This was especially the case in 2000.

You're analysis is also useless as you fail to recognize that you _are_ the party - and if you decline to be part of it, you only hurt your own ability to influence the process that you are so critical of.

So what did you personally do for Jones other than write a check (maybe) and vote for him?

35 posted on 12/02/2005 1:16:16 PM PST by mbraynard (I don't even HAVE a mustache!)
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To: John Lenin; NormsRevenge

I just love the reference on that other thread to "The French Wing of The CA Republican Party!" Ha Ha Ha!!! Purrrrfect!!!


36 posted on 12/02/2005 1:20:04 PM PST by SierraWasp (The only thing that can save CA is making eastern CA the 51st state called Sierra Republic!!!)
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To: NormsRevenge

Yeah. It'll be interesting to see what comes of this next year, politically as well as fiscally.


37 posted on 12/02/2005 1:24:01 PM PST by GVnana
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To: Wolfstar
I meant he made it without influences from outside the state, specifically Karl Rove.

I don't think it was a decision of Rove. I think it was a decision of the pro-status quo Republicans here in CA. It certainly wasn't a decision he made on his own.

38 posted on 12/02/2005 1:37:09 PM PST by LexBaird (tyrannosaurus Lex, unapologetic carnivore)
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To: mbraynard
Further, nationally, the money that is raised in CA stayed in CA. This was especially the case in 2000.

Yeah, I was just imagining those Presidential fundraising events. And I must have missed the Jones for Senate advertising blitz.

So what did you personally do for Jones other than write a check (maybe) and vote for him?

Not a damn thing. Maybe one day the CAGOP will see fit to run a candidate I can be enthusiastic about, instead of empty suits like Jones and Fong. One that actually agrees with me on more than 50% of the issues. One that takes commited and loud public stances based on conservative principals.

39 posted on 12/02/2005 2:05:29 PM PST by LexBaird (tyrannosaurus Lex, unapologetic carnivore)
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To: LexBaird
Schwarzenegger was a political protege of Richard Riordan,

More Wilson than Riordan, in the person of Bob White.

40 posted on 12/02/2005 2:12:39 PM PST by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are truly evil.)
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To: Wolfstar
Even they make mistakes. The recall was a monumental one.

Would you rather have a tumor the size of a nickle or the size of a quarter? If I could trade a tumor the size of a quarter for one the size of a nickel, I would do it in a heartbeat, and not consider it a mistake. So, maybe the results of the recall were not as one might have liked, and maybe in retrospect, the whole thing looks like a mistake, but at the time it looked a lot better. One never knows how a relationship will turn out until much later, and then you can consider a marriage a monumental mistake, but when you were walking down the aisle, it sure doesn't seem like a mistake at the time.

I was very happy to see Pretty Boy Gray shown the door, it was worth any price. If he was still the Governor, you can bet he would have kept on creating government agencies and patronage positions to use as political rewards for his supporters. Read up on the California Coastal Commission for an example of why the recall was NOT a monumental mistake.

41 posted on 12/02/2005 2:23:15 PM PST by webheart
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To: webheart
The recall was a gimmick. ONLY thing the recall did was take the heat off the Left/Dems. BTW, so now instead of Davis rewarding his mostly Leftist supporters with patronage positions, we have Arnold doing the same thing.

You say on never knows how a relationship will turn out. Well, when it came to the recall I had a pretty good idea how it would turn out. As a consequence, I opposed it. Sadly, it's turned out pretty much as I expected.

42 posted on 12/02/2005 2:32:19 PM PST by Wolfstar ("In war, there are usually only two exit strategies: victory or defeat." Mark Steyn)
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To: NormsRevenge

It's been 14 years since I moved to Nevada from California, and it is interesting to see that there are the same ideological divisions in the State G.O.P. as when I left. However, prior to the last ten or fifteen years or so, at least there was a roughly even balance between conservatives and liberals in California. While many people on F.R. do not wish to face this, the numbers don't lie. The rough balance simply does not exist anymore.

While I certainly sympathize with the conservative wing of the party over the country club/Gerry Parsky/Arnold types, the problem is DEMOGRAPHICS. They have shifted immensely as a result of massive immigration and "white flight" to neighboring states. While it is a bitter pill to swallow, there simply are not enough conservatives left in California to elect a truly conservative candidate statewide for any major office. California has become a solid blue state and is getting bluer and bluer by the year as older, more conservative voters are replaced by younger immmigrants and children of immigrants.
I love Tom McClintock, but I simply don't think he or anyone else with his views can win the Governorship or a Senate race.

If you accept this proposition, then all of these disputes have lost their urgency. As distressing as it may be, if you are a California conservative you have two practical choices statewide: Either go with your principles and support a pro-life conservative G.O.P. candidate and you will almost certainly lose in any major statewide race (Ala Bill Simon, who got trouned by one of least popular Democrats in recent memory). Or, you can support a practical pro-choice, pro-gun control, pro-environment moderate like Arnold, in which case you will STILL lose, regardless of the results of the election (albeit perhaps just a tad bit more slowly)


43 posted on 12/02/2005 3:25:56 PM PST by larlaw
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To: NormsRevenge

Okayyyyyyy... after bullet point one, I won't bother wasting any more of my valuable time reading the unsupported and non-credible ramblings Mr. Hogue. And I'll be sure not to tune him in next time I'm driving in the Sacto area.


44 posted on 12/02/2005 3:38:21 PM PST by CounterCounterCulture (RINOs - the other white meat)
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To: larlaw

Thx for the comments.

There is a 3rd option.

Quit voting.

It doesn't count anyway apparently if you're a Republican much less a conservative in this state.

Cynical? Sure.

What is the alternative? Move and cut your losses.

May as well dig up the family plots to and take them with you, their votes don't count either unless they are a democrat.

Save some real estate , btw, Vegas is looking mighty good about now. ;-)


45 posted on 12/02/2005 3:58:03 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Monthly Donor spoken Here. Go to ... https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: LexBaird
Yeah, I was just imagining those Presidential fundraising events. And I must have missed the Jones for Senate advertising blitz.

The money raised at those fundraisers went entirely to California. More money was spent there than any other state by BFP2000. Do your homework or listen to a professional who was there.

Not a damn thing. Maybe one day the CAGOP will see fit to run a candidate I can be enthusiastic about, instead of empty suits like Jones and Fong. One that actually agrees with me on more than 50% of the issues. One that takes commited and loud public stances based on conservative principals.

But the people are the Party. This isn't like disagreeing with the Catholic Church or Wal-Mart about whose operations you cannot dictate. Are you even a precinct chairman? County exec committee? The parties both are what people who care enough about them make them into.

It looks like your satisfaction with the R party in CA is commiserate with the effort you put into being involved with the R party. You get what you deserve. Democracy doesn't take care of itself.

46 posted on 12/02/2005 4:15:04 PM PST by mbraynard (I don't even HAVE a mustache!)
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To: NormsRevenge
Before Arnie came out of the closet and named himself Left; he was a RINO.

Republicans have a short memory. When RINO's owned the party, they were a small minority FOR DECADES. The same goes in California. Republicans who act like Democrats to please the Democrats won't win over Democrat votes. Republicans have to keep educating the public and pummeling the Democrats if they want to win in California. They won't win by being Democrats or being nice to Democrats. Arnie is unfit for the job because he is married into the biggest Democrat family in the Nation. What...is he going to pummel Maria?
47 posted on 12/02/2005 4:54:50 PM PST by Galveston Grl (Getting angry and abandoning power to the Democrats is not a choice.)
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To: NormsRevenge
This administration's conservative agenda, whether fiscal or social, is over.

I must have missed it. When did it ever start? Reiss, Tamminen, Kennedy. Record borrowing, record spending, stem-cell bonds, global warming, less than 50% Republican judicial appointees, more gun control. Shucks... is there something conservative in there that I missed?

48 posted on 12/02/2005 6:59:56 PM PST by calcowgirl
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To: Prime Choice
What a clueless tool.

This guy lost all credibility with his shilling, long ago.

49 posted on 12/02/2005 7:00:34 PM PST by calcowgirl
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To: NormsRevenge
The obligatory photo

Susan Kennedy (no relation?)

50 posted on 12/02/2005 7:07:26 PM PST by They'reGone2000 (<---and it's BUSH'S FAULT!)
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