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I understand what they're saying and why they're saying it - but the Cross is something more than an international symbol of 'memorializing'. It is without question a religious symbol and is an important declaration of the nature of those who died. If anything the officers should designate how they prefer to be memorialized upon their death. A star of david on the side of the road is just as appropriate as a cross as far as the officers are concerned.
I guess I'm saying that such watered-down positions do not preserve ground - they always give ground.
These wingnuts really need to just shut up. It should be left up to the surviving family whether it is appropriate or not. Maybe a Jewish officer's family would prefer a Star of David, or such, but people who worry about this stuff are just trying to stir things up in a vain attempt to make themselves feel important.
How incredibly rude and tacky. Faith is all that's left when you die. If you haven't even the right to expression then, then you haven't the right ever. I guess that's the ACLU's point.
How many of these troopers were jews, muslims or buddhists? I'm sure the state could provide similar symbols for officers of other religions, Like a star for jews, a severed head for muslims etc etc.
"For a Jew to look at it, for a Muslim to look at it, for a Buddhist to look at it, they are not going to say that's a
Well, unless they're completely insensitive clods, they'll understand perfectly what this symbol means to the surviving family and friends. Good luck, by the way, getting people here in the Southwest to stop assembling these roadside shrines. You see them everywhere.
See the armadillo poop on the ground next to the cross? That represents the atheist religion. See? Everybody gets a symbol so it's all good.
I'd say key it to the religion of the Trooper, or the wishes of his or her family.
It WOULD be kind of inappropriate, for example, to have a cross for a Jewish Trooper's memorial.
I totally reject the rationalization, though. A cross is a Christian symbol, no two ways about it. I just don't see a problem with that.
I've travelled all across both of our countries...many states and many provinces...NEVER, i mean NEVER have i thought about a person's religion when i see a cross on the side of the highway...NEVER.
my thoughts( when i see a cross with flowers ) are gathered around a person's death and the mourning family or friends of that said person...not christianity.
"For a Jew to look at it, for a Muslim to look at it, for a Buddhist to look at it, they are not going to say that's a neutral symbol."
No, but they might think it is a place where a Christian has died. What's offensive about that? And I would agree that if the trooper was Jewish, the Star of David might be more appropriate, or a crescent if the trooper was Muslim. None of them are 'neutral', but would be nonetheless appropriate.
"Government should not endorse religion in general, nor should a government endorse a particular religion," attorney Brain Barnard said."
Another lawyer unable to differentiate between endorsment and establishment.
You just have to love these people who tell you that pornography is no big deal... if you don't like it don't look, change the channel, turn the TV off, we're not forcing it down your throat.
Then throw that logic out the window when it comes to religious symbols.
There is a word for that...
They have Atheist in Utah? Who da thunk it?
We just need to make these people pay for their own attorney's fees, and these cases will stop.
Folks who are proud to be one step closer to monkeys upset with folks who are proud to be one step closer to Adam.
Some things are just too stupid for words, and this suit is one of them. If there is any justice, the suit will be tossed out and attorney's fees attached to this bunch.