Citizen MD [American Medical Association op-ed against Intelligent Design]

American Medical Association ^ | 12/02/2005 | Paul Costello

[js1138]

"...he who understands baboon would do more toward Metaphysics than Locke."

I'm still trying to figure out what is supposed to be wrong with this. Anyone who makes a major contribution to science does more than all the philosophers who ever lived.

[From many - one.]

Yes, a chimp is a closer evolutionary relative so it stood a better chance of succeeding.

Others knew the risks and informed the patients.

This was an unnecessary risk taken by a willfully ignorant individual.

You can go on as much as you like about ego, but the doctor's clear statement was that the used a baboon because he didn't believe in evolution.

[Mamzelle]

That's OK,-I stopped arguing with Democrats when I quit Compuserve. Carry on with your recruiting--watching with interst.

[From many - one.]

No, that's not the reasoning.

[whattajoke]

There does appear to be a religious method of "shunning" any and all that question a supposed theory.

As you are well aware, scientific theories are not "supposed," but rather just "are." And once again, for the billionth time, a religious person has used "religious" with a negative connotation. I love it every single time.

[From many - one.]

I like that 300 pound marshmallow too much to give you a proper response...I rarely LOL but I do grin big and wide.

[muir_redwoods]

Go ahead and teach ID. Just don't teach it in a science class. Teach it in a philosophy class or a history class.

Ancient history.

[whattajoke]

Darwinism" used as a trojanhorse code word for instituting slavery by the flesh and materials.

Actually, the word "Darwinism" is only used by fundamentalist christian creationists trying to assign a boogeymanish name to something.

[balrog666]

Just let me know when you need #7.

[From many - one.]

Recruiting for what?

Your reading comprehension seems more than a bit off...

...or is it that you have no honest response to the Baby Fae fiasco so you are trying to confuse the issue?

The fact remains that a doctor who did not believe in evolution used his willful ignorance and killed a baby.

[Amish with an attitude]

"Let's see, RWP is an actual working scientist who actually produces science results and publishes them."

So RWP and others who derive their income from "producing science results" have more to loose than just a debate.

[furball4paws]

I picked that up when I worked for Mr.Big, Inc. (BTW 300 tons, not pounds). It was used by R&D types to explain why it was difficult to get a change in corporate policy/direction. So I went to work for Mr.Small, Inc. and he has his own unique problems, but certainly can respond rapidly to new discoveries.

And now because of that I can bandy words with idiots on FR Crevo threads.

[whattajoke]

And by the way, those planes you fly? They fly relying on at least 3 "theories" I can think of. Unproven, evil, satanic theories.

[Mamzelle]

re: Oh yeah, I'm just shaking in my boots!!! LOL...The entire scientific output of ID is less than just me....But these guys are going to take my programs??? Yeah, right.)))

I'm relieved to know, at lease where you're concerned, that this isn't a matter of injured vanity.

[furball4paws]

"a religious person has used "religious" with a negative connotation. I love it every single time."

It's OK with him. He knows that his religion is the only true one, so you can be as religious as you want in pursuit of your false God and you will still fry in Hell.

(semi-serious point)

[furball4paws]

Let us loose the dogs of debate.

[Right Wing Professor]

So RWP and others who derive their income from "producing science results" have more to loose than just a debate.

That's 'lose'. My current project is building detectors for terrorist explosives. Explain to me how evolution impinges that? (Other than the fact the Islamic lunatics have the same antiscientific creationist beliefs as Christian fundamentalists. Isn't it interesting that if we lost all the creationists in the world, there wouldn't be a problem with Islamic terrorism either?)

[AndrewC]

believes that the sophisticated questions of biology that will confront each and every American in the 21st Century will require that they know the difference between a cell and a cell phone and are able to differentiate DNA from MTV.

What questions? They are asserted to be answerable in a science class. After all, biology is science.

[furball4paws]

So, can I interest you in my Orbital Space Vacuum? We just use the vacuum of space to suck all the Creationists to an early meeting with their Creator and leave the world much better for it.

[Coyoteman]

My current project is building detectors for terrorist explosives.

Damn good! Hope it works very well and makes you a fortune, as well as famous.

But being a scientist, you'll probably get a very good device--but no fame and fortune.