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Pearl Harbor a mistake: Japanese vet
The Japan Times ^ | 12-6-05 | MIYA TANAKA

Posted on 12/06/2005 9:30:44 PM PST by HarmlessLovableFuzzball

IMPERIAL LEADERS 'IMMORAL' Pearl Harbor was mistake: attack vet, 89

By MIYA TANAKA

KOGA, Ibaraki Pref. (Kyodo) To Zenji Abe, 89, a former dive-bomber pilot, Pearl Harbor was a place where he headed to risk his life to defend his country. But more than 60 years later, it has turned into a place where he can nurture ties with American friends who had once been his foes.

News photo Zenji Abe poses in front of a bomber in Iwakuni, Yamaguchi Prefecture, in late December 1941, after returning from the Pearl Harbor attack.

He can clearly recall the day when he joined the surprise attack on Pearl Harbor in the early morning hours of Dec. 7, 1941. The spry white-haired veteran spoke about his experiences in an interview at his home in Koga, Ibaraki Prefecture, where he lives with his wife.

"I put a photo of my (former) wife holding my 6-month-year-old son in my uniform's inner pocket. . . . I didn't feel fear, or such excitement as 'I'm going to beat the Americans!' Instead, I thought it's just like (an) exercise," Abe, then a 25-year-old lieutenant and squadron leader, said.

Taking off from the Imperial Japanese Navy aircraft carrier, Akagi was part of the second wave of planes. The raid crippled the U.S. Pacific Fleet by sinking or severely damaging eight battleships, including the Arizona -- a symbolic figure of the largest U.S. naval loss in history.

"I nosedived from an altitude of about 3,000 meters and practically a 60-degree angle. It was like plunging headfirst and I released a 250-kg bomb," Abe said, adding that he was "lucky" that he survived..

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Japan; News/Current Events; US: Hawaii
KEYWORDS: pearlharbor; wwii
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1 posted on 12/06/2005 9:30:45 PM PST by HarmlessLovableFuzzball
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To: HarmlessLovableFuzzball

You don't say...


2 posted on 12/06/2005 9:32:43 PM PST by inkling
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To: HarmlessLovableFuzzball

Yamamoto himself was somewhat ambivalent about it "I fear we've awakened a sleeping giant" or something like that.


3 posted on 12/06/2005 9:34:40 PM PST by 1066AD
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To: HarmlessLovableFuzzball
What's Japanese for "DUH"?
4 posted on 12/06/2005 9:36:24 PM PST by SteveMcKing ("No empire collapses because of technical reasons. They collapse because they are unnatural.")
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To: HarmlessLovableFuzzball
It was a great tactical victory for the Japanese.

However, it was also a strategic disaster for the Japanese.

When they attacked Pearl Harbor, they ensured that the Pacific War would be a war to the death and it culminated in the use of the atomic bombs.

5 posted on 12/06/2005 9:36:37 PM PST by COEXERJ145 (Those Who Want to Impeach President Bush Are the Party of Treason.)
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To: HarmlessLovableFuzzball

Hiroshima and Nagasaki were NOT mistakes.


6 posted on 12/06/2005 9:36:52 PM PST by WorkingClassFilth (The problem with being a 'big tent' Party is that the clowns are seated with the paying customers.)
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To: 1066AD

Yup. BIG mistake.

"I fear we have awoken a sleeping giant, and filled him with a terrible resolve." - Yamamoto


7 posted on 12/06/2005 9:37:01 PM PST by clee1 (We use 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 2 to pull a trigger. I'm lazy and I'm tired of smiling.)
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To: HarmlessLovableFuzzball

Funny, my hindsight is always "20/20" too.


8 posted on 12/06/2005 9:37:03 PM PST by 2111USMC
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To: 1066AD
[After the attack on Pearl Harbor is mistimed]
Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto: I fear all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant and fill him with a terrible resolve.
9 posted on 12/06/2005 9:38:59 PM PST by Dashing Dasher (God made mud, God made dirt, God made boys so girls could flirt.)
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To: HarmlessLovableFuzzball

One of the funniest headlines in many days. Ya think?


10 posted on 12/06/2005 9:43:36 PM PST by redpoll (redpoll)
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To: WorkingClassFilth

No more Hiroshimas? Easy, no more Pearl Harbors.


11 posted on 12/06/2005 9:44:14 PM PST by enviros_kill
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To: HarmlessLovableFuzzball

It'd be a pleasant change to hear the Islamofascists admit that what they're doing is terrible mistake. Probably there are plenty saying it right now, but the MSM would never report it.


12 posted on 12/06/2005 9:45:07 PM PST by BradyLS (DO NOT FEED THE BEARS!)
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To: HarmlessLovableFuzzball

The first clue they had that it was a mistake was the bright light over Hiroshima.


13 posted on 12/06/2005 9:46:33 PM PST by truemiester (If the U.S. should fail, a veil of darkness will come over the Earth for a thousand years)
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To: HarmlessLovableFuzzball

Will an Iranian soldier one day say that building the bomb and attacking Israel was a terrible mistake? WWII seems like a piece of cake suddenly.


14 posted on 12/06/2005 9:46:39 PM PST by BagelFace (BOOGABOOGABOOGABOOGA!!!!)
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To: 1066AD
Yamamoto's exact words were, "I fear we have only awakened a sleeping giant, and filled him with a terrible resolve."

I thought of those words on September 11th, though I'd like to note for the record that the men who planned and committed that act were not fit to lick Yamamoto's boots.

15 posted on 12/06/2005 9:48:10 PM PST by Mr. Silverback ("I want a hippopotamus for Christmas...only a hippopotamus will do!")
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To: HarmlessLovableFuzzball
But more than 60 years later, it has turned into a place where he
can nurture ties with American friends who had once been his foes.


My general understanding is that pilots like this had to suffer
social stigma in Japan after WWII was ended.
But that they've been shocked at how kindly they've been received
as guests at airshows in the USA.

Just like most of the Germans held as POWs in the USA...after the
war they finally started to realize attacking the USA was not
a smart thing to do (because we can be very nice and when needed, very tough).
16 posted on 12/06/2005 9:49:16 PM PST by VOA
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To: HarmlessLovableFuzzball

No kidding.

17 posted on 12/06/2005 9:50:16 PM PST by Termite_Commander (Warning: Cynical Right-winger Ahead)
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To: COEXERJ145

"It was a great tactical victory for the Japanese."

They missed the fuel depot and the dry docks, and most importantly, the aircraft carriers. Most of the ships they sank were back in the war within a year. It was a total failure of their tactical objectives.


18 posted on 12/06/2005 9:50:36 PM PST by Born to Conserve
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To: HarmlessLovableFuzzball

He's probably a spokesman for Toileta or Hon-Duh who realize that their invasion was possibly slowed by using the war option.


19 posted on 12/06/2005 9:51:08 PM PST by Proud2BeRight
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To: Mr. Silverback

"Yamamoto's exact words were, "I fear we have only awakened a sleeping giant, and filled him with a terrible resolve.""

In English no less!


20 posted on 12/06/2005 9:53:05 PM PST by Born to Conserve
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To: Born to Conserve
They missed the fuel depot and the dry docks, and most importantly, the aircraft carriers. Most of the ships they sank were back in the war within a year. It was a total failure of their tactical objectives.

The failure to sink the aircraft carriers was the major reason why the Japanese war strategy started to fail from mid-1942 on.

21 posted on 12/06/2005 9:53:51 PM PST by RayChuang88
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To: HarmlessLovableFuzzball
Yes it was a mistake. But the mistake was not launching the third wave and missing the carriers. If they had gotten the carriers the war would have been at least a year longer in the Pacific.

Remember Pearl Harbor!

22 posted on 12/06/2005 9:55:52 PM PST by mad_as_he$$ (Never corner anything meaner than you. NSDQ)
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To: Born to Conserve

I think they also ignored the moored subs, which did sink more Japanese shipping tonnage than any other US weapon system.


23 posted on 12/06/2005 9:56:25 PM PST by demlosers
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To: HarmlessLovableFuzzball

What's Japanese for "D'oh!"


24 posted on 12/06/2005 9:57:14 PM PST by Old Sarge (In a Hole in the Ground, there Lived a Fobbit...)
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To: 1066AD
Yamamoto, as head of the Navy, argued strenuously with the cabinet against starting a war with the U.S. He knew they couldn't win. Having gone to college in America, having traveled across it by train several times, having seen its mighty industrial power, and knowing something of the American character from the friends he made and the family he lived with, Yamamoto knew that Americans had the means and the temperament to go into all-out war mode and defeat any attacker in the world.

Well, at least we did in 1941, anyway. It's hard to imagine now, but way bach then, there were actually huge numbers of patriotic Democrats who even had spines and integrity.

I'm increasingly pessimistic about the possibility that Democrats will ever again become net assets to America. Our best hope is that they will continue to abort themselves out of existence faster than they can recruit new members.

25 posted on 12/06/2005 9:58:01 PM PST by CardCarryingMember.VastRightWC (The heart of the wise man inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left. - Eccl. 10:2)
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To: mad_as_he$$
"If they had gotten the carriers the war would have been at least a year longer in the Pacific."

One year would have been the rosiest scenario. The rest of remaining US Pacific fleet would been in HUGE trouble.
26 posted on 12/06/2005 10:02:09 PM PST by demlosers
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To: BradyLS
It'd be a pleasant change to hear the Islamofascists admit that what they're doing is terrible mistake. it.

The Japanese learn from their mistakes. You are comparing the Japanese to a bunch of mindless fanatics who believe its still the 6th Century ?

27 posted on 12/06/2005 10:05:06 PM PST by HarmlessLovableFuzzball
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To: HarmlessLovableFuzzball
"Pearl Harbor was a place where he headed to risk his life to defend his country."

I'm sorry, I refuse to grant Miya Tanaka's premise that he was "defending his country."

It was a dastardly and unprovoked attack, no matter that FDR was thumbing his nose at them.

28 posted on 12/06/2005 10:06:21 PM PST by nightdriver
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To: HarmlessLovableFuzzball
Pearl Harbor a mistake: Japanese vet

Gee, ya think?

29 posted on 12/06/2005 10:09:57 PM PST by saquin
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To: demlosers

Without our carriers there wouldn't have been a battle of Midway. The entire west coast of America would have been open game.


30 posted on 12/06/2005 10:11:08 PM PST by sasportas
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To: HarmlessLovableFuzzball

One wonders if the outcome of WWII had been different if he would still feel the same way.

Well, this one wonders at any rate :-)


31 posted on 12/06/2005 10:12:26 PM PST by krb (ad hominem arguments are for stupid people)
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To: saquin
Gee, ya think?

Is your comment directed at me, or toward the author ?

32 posted on 12/06/2005 10:12:33 PM PST by HarmlessLovableFuzzball
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To: HarmlessLovableFuzzball
Is your comment directed at me, or toward the author ?

To the Japanese vet who said it. Sorry, I thought that was clear.

33 posted on 12/06/2005 10:14:42 PM PST by saquin
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Zenji Abe poses in front of a bomber
in Iwakuni, Yamaguchi Prefecture, in
late December 1941, after returning
from the Pearl Harbor attack.

Iwakuni is now home to Marine Corps Air Station Iwakuni. To the victor goes the spoils.


34 posted on 12/06/2005 10:16:43 PM PST by A.A. Cunningham
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To: nightdriver
"I'm sorry, I refuse to grant Miya Tanaka's premise that he was "defending his country."

Then you must be very unfamiliar with history prior to WWII.

We had essentially declared economic war against Japan to protest their military ventures in China and southern Asia. We had cut off the import of strategic materials to them, including petroleum and steel. Their options were striking back or withering away.

35 posted on 12/06/2005 10:19:13 PM PST by Buffalo Head (Illigitimi non carborundum)
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To: COEXERJ145
Battleship replacements didn't help the Japanese war effort either.

36 posted on 12/06/2005 10:23:12 PM PST by BIGLOOK (I once opposed keelhauling but recently have come to my senses.)
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To: HarmlessLovableFuzzball

"History - in every century, records an act that lives forevermore. We'll recall - as in to line we fall, the thing that happened on Hawaii's shore." Unknown (to me)

"...So, we've got to teach history based not on what's in fashion but what's important--why the Pilgrims came here, who Jimmy Doolittle was, and what those 30 seconds over Tokyo meant." President Ronald Reagan farewell speech in 1989

"Give me a fast ship for I intend to go in harms way."
John Paul Jones

"For a time, the Flying Tigers provided the only victories against the Japanese anywhere in the Far East... This handful of men had shown that the Japanese were not invincible." - Duane Schultz, author of The Maverick War

"Before we're through with them, the Japanese language will be spoken only in hell.!
Admiral Halsey - December 1941

"Casualties many; Percentage of dead not known; Combat efficiency; we are winning."
Colonel David M. Shoup - (Tarawa) - 21st November 1943

This is a fight between a free world and a slave world. - Vice President Henry A. Wallace

"It is the function of the Navy to carry the war to the enemy so that it will not be fought on U.S. soil." - Admiral Chester W. Nimitz, Commander in Chief of the Pacific Fleet

"Americans do not surrender." General George S. Patton

I'd like to thank all the veterans and their families both past and present for the FREEDOM My family and I continue to enjoy.

"I consider it no sacrifice to die for my country. In my mind, we came here to thank God that men like these have lived rather than to regret that they have died." General George S. Patton


37 posted on 12/06/2005 10:26:01 PM PST by Patriot Hooligan ("God have mercy on my enemies because I won't." General George S. Patton)
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To: HarmlessLovableFuzzball

"Pearl Harbor was a place where he headed to risk his life to defend his country."

Defending your country from what?? The USA? You all were on the offensive, not us bucko!


38 posted on 12/06/2005 10:26:15 PM PST by WKUHilltopper
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To: HarmlessLovableFuzzball

The only mistake is the carriers were out to sea!


39 posted on 12/06/2005 10:27:36 PM PST by BurbankKarl (NRA EPL)
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To: 1066AD

Yamamoto said that in his diary. He was actually convinced that it was in fact a disaster before he left port.

He embarked on the campaign because the Japanese Army were planning his assassination and he was safer on his own ship.

There is a very good biography on Yamamoto that is worth reading. I can't remember the author but it is very comprehensive and propaganda free.


40 posted on 12/06/2005 10:27:47 PM PST by beaver fever
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To: HarmlessLovableFuzzball

Since it ended with two big bombs, ignominious defeat, and occupation, do ya think?


41 posted on 12/06/2005 10:29:07 PM PST by doug from upland (The troops will come home when the mission is complete)
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To: HarmlessLovableFuzzball

Remember Pearl Harbor!

Remember Pearl Harbor, when you sight down the barrel of your gun.
Remember Pearl Harbor, never stop, 'til you drop every one.
Give'em bomb for bomb, give'em shell for shell.
Kill a hundred rats for every boy that fell.
Remember Pearl Harbor, wipe the Jap from the map, give'em hell!

Dawn on a Sunday morning,
Dawn on the wide blue sea,
Hawaii, isle of sunshine, lay so peacefully.
Then from the sky without warning,
The vultures swarmed to attack.
Hiding behind their "peace talk,"
They stabbed our boys in the back.

Remember Pearl Harbor, every hour, every day that we live.
Remember Pearl Harbor, and the crime we can never forgive.
Through the sweat and toil,
Through the blood and tears,
Keep this battle cry ringing in our ears:
"Remember Pearl Harbor," let this song keep us strong through the years.

Remember how we used to call them our "little brown brothers?"
What a laugh that turned out to be.
Well, we can all thank God that we're not related
To that yellow scum of the sea.
They talked of peace, and of friendship.
We found out just what all that talk was worth.
All right, they've asked for it, and now they're going to get it.
We'll blow every one of them right off of the face of the Earth.

Remember Pearl Harbor, in the air on the land and the sea.
Remember Pearl Harbor, here's a job we can do, you and me.
Keep'em flying high clear across the pond.
Make our dollars fight, buy another bond!
Remember Pearl Harbor, day and night, pray and fight, carry on!

Carson Robison, Bluebird Records, c. 1941

42 posted on 12/06/2005 10:29:14 PM PST by Fiji Hill
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To: WKUHilltopper
Defending your country from what?? The USA? You all were on the offensive, not us bucko!

Well that's the argument the Dems are using against us in Iraq.

43 posted on 12/06/2005 10:32:37 PM PST by HarmlessLovableFuzzball
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To: HarmlessLovableFuzzball

The Japanese war colleges trained on bombings and tactics that including surprise attacks on Pearl Harbor from the 30's... it was no 'accident'.


44 posted on 12/06/2005 10:34:28 PM PST by GeronL (Leftism is the INSANE Cult of the Artificial)
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To: Mr. Silverback

My twin 8 year olds said they'd get extra credit if they looked up on the internet to find out what happened on Dec. 7th. I pulled out my book of "We interrupt this Broadcast" that has an old radio show with the bulletin on it.

After hearing about the attack, and President Roosevelt's sound bite I asked them what that reminded them of. They said 9-11. (They were 4 at the time!)

I told them of how Dec. 7th was their Bopa's and Nana's 9-11, and how my dad went down the following day with all the other men in the country to sign up and fight in the war, and that it was a long and hard war fought all over the world and that in the end we had to drop - not one, but TWO atomic bombs before the Japanese would quit.

My one daughter said "And now they're our friends". And I said yes, our very good friends in that part of the world.


45 posted on 12/06/2005 10:46:47 PM PST by geopyg (Ever Vigilant, Never Fearful)
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To: Born to Conserve
Most of the ships they sank were back in the war within a year.

Half the battleships sunk in the attack were refloated and refitted, but not as quickly as you might think. One was refloated but never saw service again.
Arizona - lost.
Oklahoma - refloated but not returned to duty.
California - refloated March 25, 1942. Returned to combat June 1944.
West Virgina - refloated May 17, 1942. She reached Pearl in September, 1944, and returned to combat October, 1944.

Others

Utah (converted from a battleship to a target ship) sunk.
Oglala (minelayer) - refloated 'late 1942). Placed in full commission February 1944

So I couldn't come up with any that were sunk that were back in the war within a year, and only half, not most, that returned to service at all.

Sources - US Navy Historical Center
http://www.history.navy.mil/faqs/faq66-2.htm
http://www.history.navy.mil/danfs/o-list.htm

DANFS at Hazegray
www.hazegray.org/danfs/

46 posted on 12/06/2005 10:49:53 PM PST by PAR35
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To: Mr. Silverback

The Democrats are intent on telling the giant to go back to sleep, all the while the building is burning down around it.

We are a sleeping giant, but lately it seems as if what we've done since 9/11 was more akin to groggily smacking at an annoying mosquito. All attempts to wake up fully have been hindered by the media's attempt to cover our ears and close our eyes to the horrific nature and goals of our enemies.


47 posted on 12/06/2005 11:01:43 PM PST by coconutt2000 (NO MORE PEACE FOR OIL!!! DOWN WITH TYRANTS, TERRORISTS, AND TIMIDCRATS!!!! (3-T's For World Peace))
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To: Buffalo Head
"Their options were striking back or withering away."

At least that has always been their excuse.

The US wasn't the only place that they could have obtained those materials.

48 posted on 12/06/2005 11:39:25 PM PST by nightdriver
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To: Patriot Hooligan

"Before we're through with them, the Japanese language will be spoken only in hell.! Admiral Halsey - December 1941

Now there is fighting spirit. No wonder McArthur called Halsey the greatest fighting Admiral of the Navy.

How come they don't make men like this anymore? Like Halsey and Patton. I know, everyone has to toe the pc line, blah, blah.


49 posted on 12/07/2005 12:14:14 AM PST by sasportas
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To: demlosers
I think they also ignored the moored subs

A sub can be built in 6-9 months, a carrier takes 18-24, a battleship 30-36. If you are aiming to win within a year, which do you go after?

50 posted on 12/07/2005 5:15:47 AM PST by Oztrich Boy ( the Wedge Document ... offers a message of hope for Muslims - Mustafa Akyol)
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