Posted on 12/07/2005 2:36:38 PM PST by Charles Henrickson
"So why did Christians change it to Sunday?"
TV is better on Saturday night and they didn't want to feel guilty about watching it. Also, more shops are open and they have an eye for a bargain.
[sorry, curious Brit humour]
Sure, feel free to change the timeline anyway you want. It makes no difference.
That's ok Brit, your explanation is as good as anyone else's.
There are aspects of "Kosher" that are not "Rabbincal" tradition. Such as refraining from pork and shellfish.
I prefer not to use the word Kosher or kashrut.
It only confuses the Goyim.
b'shem Y'shua
No, it does not confuse the "goyim".
You said that the dietary laws were rabbinnical tradition and not scriptural.
And then you agreed they were scriptural.
So, do you keep them?
It's a simple question.
There isn't anything confusing here.
This is indeed what the great majority of people believe because this is what they have officially been taught for 1700 years. It is not scriptural.
And rose on Sun.(any time after sunset Sat.) (day 3 / the Day after the Jewish Sabbath/first day of the week)
This also, according to scripture, is in error.....but has been taught by the Church as a basis for their Sunday observance. Matthew 28:1 states very exactly in the original Greek, [Now late on Sabbath as it was getting dusk toward first of week came Mary the Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.] In verse 6 the Angel says, [He is not here for he has risen as he said. Come see the place where was lying the Lord.]
These words in the original Greek are from the "Textus Receptus", the received text, and are the only words found in the Bible that specify on which day our Saviour rose from the tomb. As you can see it was "Late on Sabbath". Many Bibles render this passage correctly....some don't. Some because of preconceived bias toward a Sunday resurrection say things like "After the Sabbath", "The day after the Sabbath", "The day of rest was over" or some variation thereof.
No one is able to honestly dispute the fact that there were 2 Sabbath Days during the crucifixion/resurrection time period because the Gospel of John specifies it very clearly, [John 19:31]. The fact that there was a day between these 2 Sabbaths is not generally known....or expounded upon but scripture is very clear here also.
Luke 23:56 tells of the women going home and preparing spices and perfumes and then resting on the Sabbath. Mark 16:1 tells us that the women bought the spices when the Sabbath was over. The Sabbath spoken of in Mark is the First Day of Unleavened Bread, [Leviticus 23:6-7] and the Sabbath spoken of in Luke is the regular weekly Sabbath and also the day of resurrection, [Matthew 28:1]
And Mark 16:1?
From the "Textus Receptus"....[And being past the Sabbath Mary the Magdalene and Mary the Mother of James and Salome bought aromatics that having come they might anoint him.] As indicated in my post #386, this is the first Sabbath of Unleavened Bread (Wednesday evening/Thursday daytime) and the women are buying spices as the Sabbath is now over. They would have been prevented from doing so the previous day as all shops would have been closed. Notice the complimenting scripture in Luke 23:56, also from the "Textus Receptus", [And having returned they prepared aromatics and ointments and on the Sabbath remained quiet according to the commandment.] So, they rested on the Sabbath (Wednesday/Thursday), bought and prepared spices (Thursday/Friday) and are now resting again on the 2nd Sabbath (Friday/Saturday).
Now many folks are confused by the next verse in Mark as it says, [And very early on the first day of the week they come to the tomb having risen the sun.] Mark was not an eyewitness to the events but wrote down what he heard Peter say....sometimes not necessarily in strict sequence. In other words the events of Mark 1 and 2 are separated by the 2nd Sabbath. Mark 1 starts out "And being past the Sabbath" and Mark 2 starts out "Very early on the first day of the week". This would be a gross redundancy if the events were happening on the same day.
Jesus was put into the tomb on Wednesday shortly before sunset and remained in the tomb for 72 hours (Matthew 12:40) resurrecting shortly before sunset on the Sabbath (Matthew 28:1). The 36 hour burial/resurrection story handed down by the church is unscriptural as you can now see.
Should read the events of Mark 16:1 and 16:2..........
What? Even Josephus, (a famous Jewish historian of Christ's time and never a Christian), wrote about Jesus Christ, His Crucifixion, His followers, etc.
I'm sorry, but it's proved that Jesus birthday wasn't on december, and you can find the correct date on the Bible. Luke 1,5 say: "...a certain priest named Zacherias, of the division of Abijah..." and then, in 1,8: "...while he was serving G-din the order of his division..." the angel appeared to him and his wife begame pregnant, as we know. Well, if you look into 1Chronicals 24,1-10, you can see that the division of Abijah was the 8th of 24 division, with one priest each for the service. 365:24=15 days + 5 days. So, Zacherias was serving during the period from the 15*8=120th (4 months) day to the 135th from the beginning of the year, + 5 days of uncertaintly. Now, the Jewish calendar for the service temple started between the middle ofMarch and the middle of April, according to the year. So, Zacharias wife became pregnant four months later, so between 15st of March + 4 months= 15th of July and 15th of April 4 months + 15 days= 31st of August. These are the extremes. Now, Mary began pregnant six months later, that bring us between 15th of January and 1st of March. Jesus was born 9 months later, so between 15th of September and 1st of December. So, it couldn't be the 25th!!!
Otherwise, if you make the same count with the civil calendar, that start with Rosh ha-shana in september, you have just to add nine months, but it's even worst, because you have the Jesus birthday between the 15th of March and the 1st of May.
The strange thing is that the Church has dabetad for 2000 years, while the correct conting is in the Christian Bible!
I don't disagree with you but I'd like to add a few thoughts.
While I think it's possible to narrow down His birth more specifically isn't it wonderful that so many celebrate His birth. Perhaps that will lead to a deeper relationship for those that aren't yet working at having one.
Nowhere in the Bible is there a record of a celebration of his birth. I see communion as the celebration He instructed us to remember.
And finally, if we are to have a special celebration that humans create, Easter, in my mind, is the time for it. It is the perfect time, as you so well put it, for "...a quiet celebration with friends and loved ones of the greatest gift ever given Mankind. And a humble request to be worthy of it."
So very well put. Thanks you my FRiend.
Thank you. And Merry Christmas to all on FR.
It really is time to post this again for all the Christmas bashers of ought-six!
The Invincible Sun was none other than the soldiers’ god, Mithras. For example, from Roman Britain, there’s a surviving 4th c AD inscription in Latin which is “For the Salvation of our lords the four emperors and the noble Caesar, and to the god Mithras, the Invincible Sun from the east to the west”. Mithras/Mithra/Mitra is Indo-Iranian in origin, and originated in some BC century, picking up different togs and whatnot along the way. Thanks Charles Henrickson.
More likely that the conception of Christ took place at the feast of Hanukkah, rather than on Dec 25 specifically. Hanukkah was the feast of the re-dedication of the temple after it had been defiled by Antiochus Epiphanes. This feast was a prophetic type of the re-dedication of the human body as a temple of the Holy Spirit through the conception of Jesus Christ after it had been defiled through sin by Adam.
This would also put the birth of Christ at the Feast of Tabernacles, again a prophetic type of the "Word became flesh and 'tabernacled' among us" (John 1:14) This is witnessed by the words of righteous Simeon when he said, "...For mine eyes have seen thy salvation, Which thou hast prepared before the face of all people..." referring to the crowds gathered in Jerusalem for the feast. Tabernacles is also known as 'The Season of Our Joy' (Deut 16:15).
In the same manner, the feast of Passover was the prophetic type of the sacrifice of the 'Lamb of God' so that the destroying angel might 'pass over' us and was fulfilled with Christ's crucifixion and His resurrection on the first day of the Feast of Firstfruits, the first Sunday after Passover.
In the same manner, the feast of Pentecost was the prophetic type of the outpouring of the Holy Spirit and the birth of the Church. Pentecost was associated with the giving of the Law at Mt. Sinai. As we read in Exodus 20:18, "...all the people saw the thunderings, and the lightnings..." (KJV), if we look at our Strong's Concordance we find that the words for 'thunderings' and 'lightenings' have within them the meaning of 'torches and voices' representing the fire and tongues given in Acts 2.
The three feasts which Jews were commanded to return to Jerusalem (Tabernacles, Passover & Pentecost) were not arbitrary rules given by God. They were designed to ensure that the maximum number of Jewish people were in Jerusalem to witness the birth of Christ, his crucifixion and resurrection and the birth of that marvelous entity, His Church.
There is really no mystery to all of this. It is in plain sight for those who have eyes to see. Both Jew and Gentile.
Interestingly, Zech 14:16-21 speaks of all the nations coming up to Jerusalem to celebrate the Feast of Tabernacles during the millenial reign. This is the only feast celebrated during that time and is the restoration of the proper feast for celebrating the birth of Christ.
Until Christ comes and restores all things, his birth is destined to be celebrated at the wrong time, i.e. Dec 25.
Of course, 'Easter' is from the pagan spring fertility festival to Ishtar. Hence the emphasis on fertility symbols like the rabbit and eggs. The term should be avoided by knowledgeable Christians.
The proper term is the Feast of Passover.
The Church has lost it's way by ignoring the Jewish feast days and their prophetic witness to the person of Jesus Christ.
Let’s also start talking about the history of the tree that everybody puts up on Christmas. My wife and I don’t but instead, we put up the Nativity Scene.
When did Lucifer rebel... he already had when 'the' Adam was formed in a flesh vessel and put in the Garden of God. Moses does not describe Lucifer's rebellion in Genesis, but it had already taken place because of what Moses penned in Genesis 2:9 And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; *the tree of life (other places say Christ is the tree of life) also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.* (Every thing up to this point is described to be 'good' that the LORD created, and nothing created was called 'evil', so this 'evil' tree had to have already happened and allowed to be in the garden for the purpose to teach even down to us there is 'good' and 'evil' through out this flesh age... Note Hebrews 2:14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, He also Himself likewise took part of the same; that through death He might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;
The 'conception' was predestined long before the feast of Hanukkah was ever considered or Epiphanies ever drew a breath. The 'sun' that give us light makes a particular showing that marks the changes of seasons. And while some 'worship' the sun as it marks those changes, God is the one who hung it and set it on its course before even one flesh being walked this earth. It should be no mystery that on the shortest day of 'sunlight' would be the day predestined for the 'Son' to be placed into the womb of Mary as 'God with us'.
No I do not worship the 'sun', but view it symbolically as what was given to flesh beings to live, because without it life would not live in flesh. And Christ the 'Son' is indeed the 'light' that in Him gives life eternal. I do not put much weight on what flesh man establishes if it was not first established by the Creator.
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