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Teen sues Christian high school for expulsion over lesbian kiss
Court TV ^ | 12/8/5 | Emanuella Grinberg

Posted on 12/08/2005 6:39:33 PM PST by SmithL

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To: solitas
>I'm not defending her - I merely posit that the school's code of conduct HAS to have it clearly in black-and-white what their policy is, and has to be able to unambiguously back-up each and every point for it to hold up in a court of law<

Actually it does not have to spell it out.No Christian school is ambiguous on homosexuality.These kids take Bible classes everyday and attend chapels on a regular basis.A Christian School teaches that the Bible is the authority for all conduct and the Bible calls homosexuality an abomination against God.
41 posted on 12/08/2005 7:45:04 PM PST by Blessed
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To: solitas

i'll keep an eye on this one....i would guess it will be interesting.


42 posted on 12/08/2005 7:45:28 PM PST by sit-rep (If you acquire, hit it again to verify...)
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To: sit-rep

Been good!

You?

Took a long sabbatical from FR, and I'm taking it much easier than in previous years as far as on line time goes.


43 posted on 12/08/2005 7:45:52 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez (Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
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To: SmithL
"The school is trying to make a contract out of Biblical beliefs," said David Clark, the Bradleys' attorney. "It will come down to the court deciding if same-sex kissing is immoral."

Mr. Clark and his clients are seeking to establish the precedent that public morality should be decided by judges, not religion. No surprise, really. Liberals (homosexual activist especially) regard traditional religious beliefs and those who hold them to be simplistic and beneath contempt. With elected or, better yet, politically appointed,liberal, activist judges determining what public morality should and shouldn't be, they can legislate their morality (or lack thereof) to their heart's content.

Ultimately, there will come a time when Liberals will work up the courage to demand unambiguously that any and all religious beliefs that are inconvenient to their politics be made illegal. That's what hate crimes legislation is all about, frankly. And, if the Liberals get their way on these issues, that time will be that much closer to reality.

44 posted on 12/08/2005 7:46:50 PM PST by Reaganesque
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To: Luis Gonzalez

>So, schools can regulate private behavior during non-school hours?<

Can a professional baseball team enforce a morals clause or a drug policy that includes "recreational drugs"?


45 posted on 12/08/2005 7:47:10 PM PST by Blessed
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To: SALChamps03
"It also makes sense that a private institution can enforce its own rules, regardless of their basis of origin."

So then, you work for a private business, and the company's owner is a rabid P.E.T.A. idiot.

He makes a "no hunters allowed" rule in his business, and fires you when he finds out that you went deer hunting during your vacation.

You agree with your firing?

46 posted on 12/08/2005 7:48:57 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez (Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
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To: SmithL
aside from a few vague Biblical references.

They are not exactly vague. Ordinarily, most people would not apply the term "vaque" to the term "thou shalt not".

47 posted on 12/08/2005 7:50:44 PM PST by Raycpa
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To: Luis Gonzalez
The old 166Mhz broke a couple years ago, and had to "shut it all down". finally got a new and improved PC, and now I have to learn to behave myself all over again.... ;^)
48 posted on 12/08/2005 7:52:55 PM PST by sit-rep (If you acquire, hit it again to verify...)
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To: sit-rep

If the school's CoC doesn't specifically say "girl + kiss + girl = NO" then my money's on the girl for a win.


49 posted on 12/08/2005 7:54:32 PM PST by solitas
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To: solitas

"What Jessica did is not expressly forbidden in Scripture..." Clark said.

Valid point.

But wrong. In Romans 1, the apostle Paul discusses this. Let's not play semantics here. The Bible speaks out strongly on this issue in both the Old and New Testament. It's pretty obvious what "sexual immorality" implies in regard to a Christian school.


50 posted on 12/08/2005 7:59:34 PM PST by kpbruinfan ("Try as they might, they cannot steal your dreams." - Neil Peart)
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To: solitas

He doesn't stand a chance.He has to try the case in Barrow County Ga.where the school is.


51 posted on 12/08/2005 8:00:13 PM PST by Blessed
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To: Blessed
"Can a professional baseball team enforce a morals clause or a drug policy that includes "recreational drugs"?"

Recreational drugs, used by people whose entire job relies on physical performance,are a valid clause in a legal contract between employer and employee.

Was this young girl engaging in an illegal activity?

Was she employed by the Church, or was the Church employed by her?

Moral clauses by baseball teams involve defined contractual obligations not only between the team and the player as individual entities, but also with businesses who via endorsement contracts, have their image tied to the behavior of the player promoting their product.

What we have in this story, is a girl kissing another girl during an after hours, non-school related activity, and an Inquisition by school officials.

I see big dollars being paid out by this school, not for the expulsion, but for the violation of this girl's privacy.

While the actions of a baseball player engaging in inappropriate behavior in public could possibly do harm to the image of products he may be tied to via marketing, this girl's behavior in no way caused any harm to the school's reputation, yet they acted to destroy hers.

52 posted on 12/08/2005 8:03:41 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez (Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
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Does this girl's family get to investigate what goes on in all these school official's private, after hours life?

Turn about IS fair play...is it not?

Free of sin...cast the first stone and all.
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She was sucking face with another girl. In front of others. In plain view.


53 posted on 12/08/2005 8:03:45 PM PST by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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"She was sucking face with another girl. In front of others. In plain view."

And?

Was she in school?

54 posted on 12/08/2005 8:05:08 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez (Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
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To: solitas
"If the school's CoC doesn't specifically say "girl + kiss + girl = NO" then my money's on the girl for a win. "

Mine too.

55 posted on 12/08/2005 8:05:42 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez (Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
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To: Grizzled Bear

Actually, it was at a sleep over. Apparently she was having a relationship with a different student too though.

http://www.gwinnettdailypost.com/index.php?s=&url_channel_id=1&url_article_id=9281&url_subchannel_id=&change_well_id=2


56 posted on 12/08/2005 8:07:17 PM PST by bahblahbah
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To: Luis Gonzalez
What we have in this story, is a girl kissing another girl during an after hours, non-school related activity, and an Inquisition by school officials.

To be fair though, we don't exactly know what's written in their 'code of conduct' and whether or not the parents signed-on knowing there's a clause that says "if we start a witch hunt: you're toast" in it...

57 posted on 12/08/2005 8:08:37 PM PST by solitas
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To: solitas
"...Covenant’s student handbook says any behavior “either on campus or away which indicates that a student has disregard for the spirit of the school standards would be sufficient reason to ask for him/her to withdraw from Covenant Christian Academy.”

http://www.gwinnettdailypost.com/index.php?s=&url_channel_id=1&url_article_id=9281&url_subchannel_id=&change_well_id=2

She was expelled.

58 posted on 12/08/2005 8:10:27 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez (Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
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To: Luis Gonzalez

If the rules specify behavior, and not location, it doesn't matter.


59 posted on 12/08/2005 8:11:43 PM PST by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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To: Zack Nguyen
It's a private school, thus they can set whatever behavioral codes they want.

That's right but what the lawsuit will boil down to is whether or not the school specifically forbade this kind of behavior in their student handbook. For example, if the handbook states that "inappropriate touching" or kissing among students is grounds for expulsion, the school will prevail. If not, the plaintiff may have a point that the rules were vague and the student's expulsion was unfair.

60 posted on 12/08/2005 8:12:38 PM PST by Grim
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