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Conservative activist makes Professor Mirecki postings public: John Altevogts - Pajama Blogger
Lawrence Journal - World, KS ^ | Saturday, December 10, 2005 | Sophia Maines

Posted on 12/10/2005 8:19:39 PM PST by rface

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I wonder if this guy is a FReeper?

some history of this story:

Professor Mirecki now mum on alleged beating: Alleged beating by "Christians" a hoax?

WHAT HAPPENED TO PAUL MIRECKI? by Michelle Malkin

1 posted on 12/10/2005 8:19:40 PM PST by rface
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A Conservative activist who calls Alinsky one of his heroes ?
Is that possible ?
2 posted on 12/10/2005 8:27:44 PM PST by stylin19a (you can leed Freepers to spelchek, but you can't make 'em use it.)
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To: rface
He did a good service on posting Mirecki's comments. And, considering his bio from high school, knows a bigot when he sees one.
Good on him.
3 posted on 12/10/2005 8:30:17 PM PST by Tench_Coxe
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To: stylin19a
I don't know! I have never heard of Paul Alinsky....but here's what a quick search turned up:

Alinsky's Rules for Radicals.....[[ I Think these could be a list of LIMBAUGH'S RULES FOR CONSERVATIVES ]]

Some of these rules are ruthless, but they work. Here are the rules to be aware of:

RULE 1: "Power is not only what you have, but what the enemy thinks you have." Power is derived from 2 main sources - money and people. "Have-Nots" must build power from flesh and blood. (These are two things of which there is a plentiful supply. Government and corporations always have a difficult time appealing to people, and usually do so almost exclusively with economic arguments.)

RULE 2: "Never go outside the expertise of your people." It results in confusion, fear and retreat. Feeling secure adds to the backbone of anyone. (Organizations under attack wonder why radicals don't address the "real" issues. This is why. They avoid things with which they have no knowledge.)

RULE 3: "Whenever possible, go outside the expertise of the enemy." Look for ways to increase insecurity, anxiety and uncertainty. (This happens all the time. Watch how many organizations under attack are blind-sided by seemingly irrelevant arguments that they are then forced to address.)

RULE 4: "Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules." If the rule is that every letter gets a reply, send 30,000 letters. You can kill them with this because no one can possibly obey all of their own rules. (This is a serious rule. The besieged entity's very credibility and reputation is at stake, because if activists catch it lying or not living up to its commitments, they can continue to chip away at the damage.)

RULE 5: "Ridicule is man's most potent weapon." There is no defense. It's irrational. It's infuriating. It also works as a key pressure point to force the enemy into concessions. (Pretty crude, rude and mean, huh? They want to create anger and fear.)

RULE 6: "A good tactic is one your people enjoy." They'll keep doing it without urging and come back to do more. They're doing their thing, and will even suggest better ones. (Radical activists, in this sense, are no different that any other human being. We all avoid "un-fun" activities, and but we revel at and enjoy the ones that work and bring results.)

RULE 7: "A tactic that drags on too long becomes a drag." Don't become old news. (Even radical activists get bored. So to keep them excited and involved, organizers are constantly coming up with new tactics.)

RULE 8: "Keep the pressure on. Never let up." Keep trying new things to keep the opposition off balance. As the opposition masters one approach, hit them from the flank with something new. (Attack, attack, attack from all sides, never giving the reeling organization a chance to rest, regroup, recover and re-strategize.)

RULE 9: "The threat is usually more terrifying than the thing itself." Imagination and ego can dream up many more consequences than any activist. (Perception is reality. Large organizations always prepare a worst-case scenario, something that may be furthest from the activists' minds. The upshot is that the organization will expend enormous time and energy, creating in its own collective mind the direst of conclusions. The possibilities can easily poison the mind and result in demoralization.)

RULE 10: "If you push a negative hard enough, it will push through and become a positive." Violence from the other side can win the public to your side because the public sympathizes with the underdog. (Unions used this tactic. Peaceful [albeit loud] demonstrations during the heyday of unions in the early to mid-20th Century incurred management's wrath, often in the form of violence that eventually brought public sympathy to their side.)

RULE 11: "The price of a successful attack is a constructive alternative." Never let the enemy score points because you're caught without a solution to the problem. (Old saw: If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem. Activist organizations have an agenda, and their strategy is to hold a place at the table, to be given a forum to wield their power. So, they have to have a compromise solution.)

RULE 12: Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it." Cut off the support network and isolate the target from sympathy. Go after people and not institutions; people hurt faster than institutions. (This is cruel, but very effective. Direct, personalized criticism and ridicule works.)

4 posted on 12/10/2005 8:41:01 PM PST by rface ("...the most schizoid freeper I've ever seen" - New Bloomfield, Missouri)
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Alinksy sounds pretty damn cool. I'm glad he exposed this left wing fraud for the nut that he is.


5 posted on 12/10/2005 8:44:40 PM PST by DougJ
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"Liberalism, he said, is associated with authoritarianism, bigotry and corruption.'

Telling it like is.


6 posted on 12/10/2005 8:46:44 PM PST by DougJ
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RULE 11: "The price of a successful attack is a constructive alternative." Never let the enemy score points because you're caught without a solution to the problem.

Apparently the Dims didn't read this.

7 posted on 12/10/2005 8:54:10 PM PST by paudio (Merry Christmas)
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To: rface

Hillary got hooked up with Saul Alinksy. He is Hillary's hero ! She wrote her senior thesis about this guy and his ideas.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/886451/posts


8 posted on 12/10/2005 9:06:18 PM PST by stylin19a (you can leed Freepers to spelchek, but you can't make 'em use it.)
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A Conservative activist who calls Alinsky one of his heroes ? Is that possible ?

Well, anything is possible. . .and they did describe him a a 'gadfly'. . .but whatever. . .he is doing his stuff and getting a lot of attention, doing it. . .

That said. . .what IS the status of the Professor Mirecki - is he getting away with his own hate crime?

9 posted on 12/10/2005 9:13:27 PM PST by cricket (No Freedom - No Peace)
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Altevogt. was "fired" by The Kansas City Star, after digging out some real dirt on establishment types in the State Capitol (KS) who were giving one another (and their spouses) phony jobs on boards with very large salaries.

The "well-connected" in the metro Kansas City, MO (Johnson County, KS) didn't like their dirty laundry about to be exposed, so they put a stop to it.

Revenge was sweet, however, when the then Republican Gov. Bill Graves, failed to get an appointment in the 2000 Bush Administration. The liberal that Gov. Graves had "warming" the open Senate seat was fought for and won by mostly conservative, Sam Brownback. Another RINO insider, David Adkins was trounced by Phill Kline (real conservative) in a Primary for State Attorney General and went on to win election. Adkins announced that he was hanging up his political walking shoes for good.

Yes, revenge is truly sweet for Altevogt in this Mirecki soap opera, as KU was forced to seek his resignation or face a real fight over funding from a conservative KS House, which would expose even more egregious behavior than that of this idiot.

10 posted on 12/10/2005 9:14:56 PM PST by zerosix (Native Sunflower)
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Saul Alinsky is a far left radical who's book "Rules for Radicals" has become the playbook for the far left including the Clintons.

Be careful who you praise, my friends.


11 posted on 12/10/2005 9:20:55 PM PST by Luke21 (Political correctness is the insane religion of our rulers.)
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To: cricket

It's not surprising that a conservative who was clued in to the tactics of the left by reading Alinsky would consider him a hero in a tongue-in-cheek sort of way. In order to fight your enemy, it is necessary to know where your enemy is coming from. The assault on the middle class succeeded for 40 years.


12 posted on 12/10/2005 9:25:48 PM PST by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: stylin19a
A Conservative activist who calls Alinsky one of his heroes ?

I noticed that too. Methinks the reporter probably left out some important facts about this story.
13 posted on 12/10/2005 9:27:22 PM PST by Antoninus (Hillary smiles every time a Freeper trashes Rick Santorum)
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Note to myself: Print out Alinksy's rules, frame and hang them as a constant reminder.


14 posted on 12/10/2005 9:31:38 PM PST by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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It's not surprising that a conservative who was clued in to the tactics of the left by reading Alinsky would consider him a hero in a tongue-in-cheek sort of way.

Well it is good to know your enemy. . .though I did not get the feeling this was 'tongue-in-cheeck' but you make a good point, nonetheless.

Knowledge is power; no matter where you find it; and perhaps there is much to appreciate in the chronicling of Alinsky. . .or maybe Altevogts identifies with him - at some level.

15 posted on 12/10/2005 9:33:25 PM PST by cricket (No Freedom - No Peace)
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To: rface

Good for him. Our new school board in Dover,PA (my area) probably has the same opinions as Mirecki. I wish I could dig up their bigotry.


16 posted on 12/10/2005 9:43:15 PM PST by Nextrush (Chris Matthews Band: "I get high, I get high, I get high...McCain.")
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To: rface

bttt


17 posted on 12/10/2005 9:50:01 PM PST by nopardons
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To: Luke21

Meant to say Altevogt. I have never heard of Alinsky before. Reading those "rules", though, I agree that he certainly does sound Clintonian.


18 posted on 12/10/2005 10:09:27 PM PST by DougJ
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I think Altevogt did well here. Otherwise, I have found that Altevogt is a sour and unlikeable man - I have met him and have friends who are associates of him.


19 posted on 12/11/2005 5:18:06 AM PST by KC_Conspirator
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To: cricket
what IS the status of the Professor Mirecki - is he getting away with his own hate crime?

What hate crime?

20 posted on 12/11/2005 9:50:45 AM PST by RadioAstronomer (Senior member of Darwin Central)
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