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Boy finds 5,000-year-old bison skull--Now called 'Bradford Bison'
Capital Times ^ | 12-11-05 | Mike Miller

Posted on 12/11/2005 5:55:09 AM PST by SJackson

A Prairie du Sac youngster, exploring the Wisconsin River bottom because he couldn't play high-tech games, made the archeological find of the year in Wisconsin when he unearthed an ancient bison head and horns.

"It is one of the best finds of the year, if not the best," state archeologist John Broihahn said of the find, which he determined was the head and horns of a Bison Occidentalis, at least 5,000 years old.

And it is now officially known as the "Bradford Bison," in honor of Joshua Bradford, 7, who made the initial discovery. Josh was on an outing with Bob Weiss, 63, a Prairie du Sac insurance man who was paired with Josh as part of the Kids Companion program, which is run by the Optimists in the Sauk Prairie school district area. The program is a local version of the better known Big Brothers Big Sisters program.

Bob and Josh were still new to the program when they went for what was to be an afternoon that included playing games at a Sauk City arcade on Nov. 9, as Bob tells the story. "They were closed," Bob recalled Friday. So the pair was driving down Water Street when Bob took a look at the Wisconsin River.

"It was as low as I'd ever seen it," Bob said, "I've never seen such a large area of exposed sand."

So the pair went exploring. Josh was picking up clam shells and other oddities, and Bob, who likes to fish, was finding lots of fishing lures. Josh was running a good 20 to 30 feet ahead of Bob, "so he could be the first to find things," says Bob.

Josh suddenly yelled, "Bob, what's that?" Weiss recalled. "I said, 'It looks like driftwood to me.'"

"No, it's horns," Josh replied.

The low water had left about three-fourths of the head exposed, said Bob, and with a little digging and tugging, the two were able to free the large horns and part of a skull. Bob at first thought it was an ox. An exciting find, but not an especially rare one. Bob hauled the find back to his car, which was a half mile away. "Holy cow, was it heavy," Bob said. "It was water-logged and must have weighed 50 pounds, but I made it."

Bob then made what was a very good decision. About a week after the discovery he took what would turn out to be a bison head to Verlyn Mueller, the archivist at the Prairie du Sac Historical Society. Mueller suggested they call the State Historical Society and that's when Broihahn, whose post is within the society, got into the act.

After taking measurements, he and fellow archeologist Steve Kuehn decided, based on the shape and orientation of the horn cores and the overall size, that they had a Bison Occidentalis. Although they have not precisely dated the beast, Broihahn said the species, a forerunner to the more modern American bison, has been extinct for the last 5,000 years.

Broihahn and Kuehn were in Prairie du Sac Friday to conduct their examination and Josh even got to take time off of school to watch them.

"He is a quiet little guy but he seemed interested in what we were doing and even helped us take some measurements," Broihahn said of Josh.

"He was excited, and we are excited too," added Broihahn. "This is a very significant find for several reasons. It's a Bison Occidentalis and we don't have many of those in Wisconsin."

The Prairie du Sac find is the eastern-most find of the species in Wisconsin, and only about three others have been found, mostly in the northwest portion of the state, Broihahn said.

"It helps us complete the story of what Wisconsin was like," in ancient times, he said. Broihahn plans further excavation at the site were young Josh made his discovery, and hopes to recover additional items. But he is at the mercy of the river.

"The water levels could present a challenge for us on this," he said. "If the river rises it will obviously be difficult to do anything then."

But the find also points out the importance of individuals who make such discoveries to bring them to the attention of the archeologists.

"We couldn't do our job as effectively if people didn't bring these things to us," Broihahn said.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bison; bradfordbison; godsgravesglyphs

1 posted on 12/11/2005 5:55:10 AM PST by SJackson
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To: SunkenCiv

Might be of interest for the GGG list


2 posted on 12/11/2005 5:57:31 AM PST by indcons (indcons on Rush Limbaugh's show (transcript): http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1535861/posts)
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To: SJackson
What! No prosecution for desecrating a sacred ancient Indian hunting site, or removal of federally controlled fossils?

What is happening to the world, when a man and a boy can find a fossil and simply take it out of the ground without prosecution. This is unacceptable!

Sarcasm Off.
3 posted on 12/11/2005 6:00:43 AM PST by marktwain
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To: SJackson

Cool. Do you know if there are any pictures available online?


4 posted on 12/11/2005 6:03:09 AM PST by Pablo64 ("Everything I say is fully substantiated by my own opinion.")
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To: Pablo64
Moo!


5 posted on 12/11/2005 6:04:56 AM PST by RedBeaconNY (Vous parlez trop, mais vous ne dites rien.)
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To: SJackson

I'm off to play in the mud now. bttt


6 posted on 12/11/2005 6:05:04 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: Pablo64

None of the stories had pictures with them.


7 posted on 12/11/2005 6:07:30 AM PST by SJackson (There's no such thing as too late, that's why they invented death. Walter Matthau)
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To: SJackson

Wow! My sis lives in Prairie du Sac. I am going to see what all she knows about this. Interesting.


8 posted on 12/11/2005 6:14:10 AM PST by ozaukeemom (Nuke the ACLU and their snivel rights!)
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To: Pablo64
Here's a photo from a Google search for "bison occidentalis". Not the one in the story, though. This one was found in the Arkansas River in Oklahoma according to the website:


9 posted on 12/11/2005 6:17:27 AM PST by FReepaholic (Admitted FReepaholic since 1998.)
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To: SJackson
Bob then made what was a very good decision. About a week after the discovery he took what would turn out to be a bison head to Verlyn Mueller, the archivist at the Prairie du Sac Historical Society. Mueller suggested they call the State Historical Society and that's when Broihahn, whose post is within the society, got into the act...the find also points out the importance of individuals who make such discoveries to bring them to the attention of the archeologists. We couldn't do our job as effectively if people didn't bring these things to us," Broihahn said."

The find of this skull is great, just great, but as long as legal matters of ownership are clear, what people want to do with this stuff is, well, up to them. It is interesting to me that this article stresses, and then repeats, the necessity of turning over these relics to the state.

It seems to me that there is an increasing trend to this kind of paternalism where these kind of episodes occur. One science teacher I know hunts fossils on private property and tells of efforts by academics and governmental bodies to declare such finds as 'public domain' and, therefore, subject to state ownership. I have read at least two stories about finds on private property in Britain where the state is considered the lawful owner. In one case, a man found a cache of Roman coins in his own backyard.

This seems to be an extension of the efforts of the government to gain de facto control over land through onerous regulation and layers of treaties and extra-governmental agreements. Ramping up these kind of cases and stressing the need to be a 'good citizen' by turning to the state seems ominous to me. Ultimately, we may face a European model where seizing private property under the guise of precious artifacts or historical items worthy of public control is one more facet of a larger campaign to legitimize the loss of individual rights.

Just my $0.02.
10 posted on 12/11/2005 6:18:31 AM PST by WorkingClassFilth (The problem with being a 'big tent' Party is that the clowns are seated with the paying customers.)
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To: SJackson
because he couldn't play high-tech games, made the archeological find of the year

The possibilites are endless when kids get off the 'puter and out of the house to play outdoors

11 posted on 12/11/2005 6:22:23 AM PST by apackof2 (You can stand me up at the gates of hell, I'll stand my ground and I won’t back down)
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To: SJackson
Josh was on an outing with Bob Weiss, 63, a Prairie du Sac insurance man who was paired with Josh as part of the Kids Companion program ....

Somehow I don't like the sound of that.

12 posted on 12/11/2005 6:24:55 AM PST by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: indcons
Thanks indcons.

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13 posted on 12/11/2005 6:32:08 AM PST by SunkenCiv ("In silence, and at night, the Conscience feels that life should soar to nobler ends than Power.")
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To: SJackson
Bob at first thought it was an ox. An exciting find, but not an especially rare one.

Sounds similar to a blind date a former friend once set me up with.

As I was walking down the street,
Down the street, down the street,
A pretty little gal I chanced to meet,
Oh, she was fair to see.

Buffalo Gals, won't you come out tonight,
Come out tonight, come out tonight.
Buffalo Gals, won't you come out tonight
And dance by the light of the moon.

I stopped her and we had a talk,
Had a talk, had a talk,
Her feet took up the whole sidewalk
And left no room for me.

Buffalo Gals, won't you come out tonight...


14 posted on 12/11/2005 6:38:40 AM PST by Willie Green (Go Pat Go!!!)
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To: Mr Ramsbotham
"Josh was on an outing with Bob Weiss, 63, a Prairie du Sac insurance man who was paired with Josh as part of the Kids Companion program ....

Somehow I don't like the sound of that."

I have no problem with that at all. Just because he is doing something with an older man doesn't mean that man is a homosexual pedophile. Father figures are very important and millions of young men have been helped on the right path by older men who take an interest in their well being. My church sponsers a "big brother" program and it has done an unbelivable amount of good for at-risk youths in our community. We've never had a single incident.
15 posted on 12/11/2005 6:39:59 AM PST by SmoothTalker
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To: SmoothTalker
My church sponsers a "big brother" program and it has done an unbelivable amount of good for at-risk youths in our community. We've never had a single incident.

Well, I agree with you, and of course I was only trying to elicit a chuckle with my observation. However, your church would be well advised not to take things for granted. Let's put it this way: if you want to go polar-bear hunting, you're not going to go into the Amazonian rainforest. And your average pedo isn't going to put in his volunteer hours down at the senior center.

16 posted on 12/11/2005 6:45:02 AM PST by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: SJackson

I suppose taking the skull to school for show-and-tell is out of the question.


17 posted on 12/11/2005 6:46:34 AM PST by teacherwoes (If you can read this...thank a caring teacher)
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To: Mr Ramsbotham
I don't know anything about the program, but a quick search shows it's affiliated with other schools and Church groups, and has been recognized by the State in the past, so I wouldn't be concerned that it's not a legitimate undertaking.
18 posted on 12/11/2005 6:46:40 AM PST by SJackson (There's no such thing as too late, that's why they invented death. Walter Matthau)
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To: Mr Ramsbotham
Josh was on an outing with Bob Weiss, 63, a Prairie du Sac insurance man who was paired with Josh as part of the Kids Companion program ....

Somehow I don't like the sound of that.

According to the article, " The program is a local version of the better known Big Brothers Big Sisters program." Why does this bother you?

19 posted on 12/11/2005 6:53:23 AM PST by Thumper1960 ("There is no 'tolerance', there are only changing fashions in intolerance." - 'The Western Standard')
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To: Mr Ramsbotham

"However, your church would be well advised not to take things for granted."

We screen pretty carefully and would shut down any bad situation in a second. No catholic scenario here. I suppose their is a small risk, but whats the alternative? Stop any program that involves any man working with children? Just shut down youth sports teams, and big brothers and all that? That would have a lot of negative effects on society at large.


20 posted on 12/11/2005 7:01:05 AM PST by SmoothTalker
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To: SJackson
"Holy cow..."

*grin*

21 posted on 12/11/2005 7:09:22 AM PST by Lil'freeper
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To: WorkingClassFilth

I have read at least two stories about finds on private property in Britain where the state is considered the lawful owner. In one case, a man found a cache of Roman coins in his own backyard.
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Don't blame the leftists for THIS. Treasures trove have ALWAYS been the property of the Crown. Logic being: when William the Conquerer showed up many of the defeated old Anglo Saxon nobility buried their treasures. If eventually found they were deemed to have been attempts to withhold from the Crown that which was the Crown's already by right of conquest.

They only changed the law in 1992. But it was the law for almost 1000 years.


22 posted on 12/11/2005 7:15:44 AM PST by Appalled but Not Surprised
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To: SmoothTalker

No catholic scenario here>>

I beg your pardon? Catholic does not equal homosexual pedophile. Kindly acknowledge that fact at once.


23 posted on 12/11/2005 7:17:15 AM PST by Appalled but Not Surprised
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To: SJackson

1. Send in the CLONES!

2. Bison -- the other white meat.


24 posted on 12/11/2005 7:30:15 AM PST by goresalooza (Nurses Rock!)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
sconsin ping, yah-sure-you-betcha don't-cha-know, hey.

All hail my hero James

Did I ever tell you I went to high school with his daughter Ann?

25 posted on 12/11/2005 7:36:24 AM PST by Clint N. Suhks (If you don't like Jesus, you can go to hell.)
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To: SJackson
I don't know anything about the program, but a quick search shows it's affiliated with other schools and Church groups, and has been recognized by the State in the past, so I wouldn't be concerned that it's not a legitimate undertaking.

I'm sure it is; but that's completely beside the point. The Catholic Church is a legitimate undertaking, but unfortunately it (and other institutions like it) has been infiltrated by individuals whose motivations are less pure than those of the organization they work for. In today's climate, any situation where you have a young boy and an older man, not related, going out into the wilderness together, is one with a great potential for trouble.

26 posted on 12/11/2005 8:06:48 AM PST by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: Appalled but Not Surprised

"I beg your pardon? Catholic does not equal homosexual pedophile. Kindly acknowledge that fact at once."

By Catholic scenario I meant that if my church had a problem with someone working with kids, we wouldn't work to cover it up and we wouldn't let that individual continue to work with children. You can't deny that the Catholic church worked very hard to cover up pedophiles and didn't do what it could to get rid of some of them. A lot of kids were harmed because of that laxity.


27 posted on 12/11/2005 8:23:49 AM PST by SmoothTalker
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To: Mr Ramsbotham
I'm sure it is; but that's completely beside the point. The Catholic Church is a legitimate undertaking, but unfortunately it (and other institutions like it) has been infiltrated by individuals whose motivations are less pure than those of the organization they work for. In today's climate, any situation where you have a young boy and an older man, not related, going out into the wilderness together, is one with a great potential for trouble.

That potential always exists, and not only in same sex or child-adult situations. I've known people who've done great good working with children in similar situations. And, unfortunately in a way, they're very cognizent of the risks. A hug being misinterprited for example. Myself, abuse wouldn't pop into my mind in a situation like this. I realize you weren't making that suggestion, simply pointing out the ever present danger.

28 posted on 12/11/2005 8:25:18 AM PST by SJackson (There's no such thing as too late, that's why they invented death. Walter Matthau)
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To: SmoothTalker
whats the alternative? Stop any program that involves any man working with children? Just shut down youth sports teams, and big brothers and all that? That would have a lot of negative effects on society at large.

As well as programs involving both same and opposite sex teens and young adults as well.

29 posted on 12/11/2005 8:36:07 AM PST by SJackson (There's no such thing as too late, that's why they invented death. Walter Matthau)
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To: SmoothTalker

To call it a "Catholic" problem is naked bigotry. I see that you do not withdraw your statement.

Smooth talking, maybe, but like most smooth talkers, underneath, a liar.


30 posted on 12/11/2005 1:20:27 PM PST by Appalled but Not Surprised
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To: Appalled but Not Surprised

Calm down. Which major church has had a major scandal about covering up sex abuse in the last few years? It isn't the baptists. It wasn't the methodists. I'm not in anyway putting judgement on those of Catholic faith, i'm just using what happened as an example of how I would not want my church to respond to a similar problem involving adults and children.


31 posted on 12/11/2005 1:31:33 PM PST by SmoothTalker
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To: SmoothTalker

Your second sentence is contradicted by the third.

The Catholic Church does indeed have a pedophilia problem... statistically to exactly the same extent as every other church.

As for adult homosexuality, that's a different story. Gay misbehavior among Catholic priests is what we get for not having pastors run off with the wives of their parishoners. Which never, ever happens in other churches. Okay, *hardly* ever. /sarc.

Nevertheless by calling it a "catholic" problem you reveal what is clearly an unspoken glee at the travails of my church, and I don't appreciate it.


32 posted on 12/11/2005 2:04:51 PM PST by Appalled but Not Surprised
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To: Appalled but Not Surprised

I look at it a ruling power v. private ownership issue. My larger point is that we are approaching a similar kind of mentality here. CETA and the ESA and a slew of other international agreements as well as domestic regulations at all levels are steadily eroding private ownership and land rights at all levels. I found the admonitions to alert authorities of whatever one finds more than a little disconcerting.


33 posted on 12/11/2005 2:09:43 PM PST by WorkingClassFilth (The problem with being a 'big tent' Party is that the clowns are seated with the paying customers.)
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To: Appalled but Not Surprised
I take no pleasure in the scandal. The Catholic church has been an important ally of conservative causes for a long time and the scandal has given a lot of ammo to anti-Christian liberals. All i'm saying is that I hope other churches have learned a lesson from the scandal because while you don't seem to think so, I believe that handing off known gay-pedophiles to other parishes and covering up sex abuse is a huge deal.
34 posted on 12/11/2005 2:10:54 PM PST by SmoothTalker
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To: Willie Green
I can't hear this song without thinking of Donna Reed and Jimmy Stewart in It's A Wonderful Life.
35 posted on 12/11/2005 2:11:45 PM PST by mware (That's Christmas with a C, not an X)
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To: mware
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36 posted on 12/11/2005 2:13:09 PM PST by mware (That's Christmas with a C, not an X)
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To: WorkingClassFilth

bump


37 posted on 12/11/2005 2:15:20 PM PST by VOA
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To: Mr Ramsbotham

I take great exception to your remark, Sir. I'm a single Dad who sponsors a monthly Firearms orientation and practical application class to youth in my town. I provide the arms, ammo, hearing protection and pay the range fees. I am cognizant of evil people in this society how ever blanket statements such as yours are, in the least, despicable. I was strongly advised to pen this on the advice and behalf of my Daughter.
Good Day, Sir, and Merry Christmas.


38 posted on 12/11/2005 2:28:20 PM PST by Texas WOP
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To: Texas WOP
I take great exception to your remark, Sir.

You're right; we should be more trusting. It's still the Age of Aquarius, if I'm not mistaken.

39 posted on 12/11/2005 4:55:11 PM PST by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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Scientists: Bison in Illinois earlier (aren’t you relieved?)
South Carolina homepage (thestate.com) | Tue, Aug. 30, 2005 | Associated Press
Posted on 09/03/2005 10:17:31 AM EDT by SunkenCiv
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40 posted on 05/03/2007 7:35:08 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (I last updated my profile on Thursday, May 3, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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 GGG managers are SunkenCiv, StayAt HomeMother & Ernest_at_the_Beach
Just updating the GGG info, not sending a general distribution.

To all -- please ping me to other topics which are appropriate for the GGG list.


41 posted on 08/12/2012 10:53:50 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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