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1 posted on 12/11/2005 12:41:56 PM PST by avile
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To: Alouette; SJackson

ping


2 posted on 12/11/2005 12:42:55 PM PST by EveningStar
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To: avile


Saying what we already know is true:

Hollywood is far too open minded, tolerant and willing to look at every side to allow a conservative opinion in anything. Interesting how the people who live in the medium of freedom of speech deny it to everyone else.


3 posted on 12/11/2005 12:46:26 PM PST by Tzimisce
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To: avile
However, a response to a response doesn’t really solve anything

The question mark now appears over my head.
4 posted on 12/11/2005 12:47:54 PM PST by Termite_Commander (Warning: Cynical Right-winger Ahead)
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To: ariamne; jan in Colorado; Fred Nerks

Ping of interest

A.A.C.


5 posted on 12/11/2005 12:47:55 PM PST by AmericanArchConservative (Armour on, Lances high, Swords out, Bows drawn, Shields front ... Eagles UP!)
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To: avile

Spielberg has always been a leftist. But I hadn't known that he was also an apologist for Islamic terror. Bad news.


6 posted on 12/11/2005 12:49:49 PM PST by Sam Cree (absolute reality) - "Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one." Albert Einstein)
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To: Borges

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7 posted on 12/11/2005 12:50:09 PM PST by EveningStar
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To: avile
Steven Spielberg has switched sides, from kosher ("Schindler's List")

Someone needs to explain to me the adoration of Schindler's List.

And how making that movie ever made Spielberg "Kosher".

10 posted on 12/11/2005 12:56:09 PM PST by Sabramerican
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To: avile

I wish people would go see the damned movie before deciding that they have a problem with it. This guy is relying on second-hand info, and that's a pretty dumb way to form an opinion about something as subjective as a movie.


11 posted on 12/11/2005 12:58:11 PM PST by John Jorsett (scam never sleeps)
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To: avile

If Jack Englehard is just figuring this out, the Hollywood is no friend of Israel, and neither is Spielberg, then I feel sorry for the guy.

A lot of Jews seem to believe that following either the social or religious aspects of their faith means laying your head upon the block for the barbarians to cut off. I dunno where this death-wish comes from. Can you see Moses worrying about Pharaoh's inner angst?

And... I dunno if Spielberg, who is uncommonly talented even measured against other talented artists, has pulled this off against usual experience... but movies about the inner angst and moral waffling of combatants usually are soporific. Cf. inter alia Oliver Stone's "Alexander the Gay," or the dreadful "The Thin Red Line," neither of which is capable of holding a normal person's interest.

d.o.l.

Criminal Number 18F


12 posted on 12/11/2005 12:59:12 PM PST by Criminal Number 18F (Good News: Journalist kidnapped in South Waziristan, expected to lose head.)
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To: avile
There isn't much difference, according to Spielberg's telegram, between killers and avengers.

When it comes to Israel, many seem to confuse who started it and who will finish it.

14 posted on 12/11/2005 1:08:11 PM PST by Wake75
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To: avile
would Leon Uris get "Exodus" to the screen in this climate?

I doubt he'd even be able to get it published.

18 posted on 12/11/2005 1:19:48 PM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: avile

This is going to be very different from the book.

Vengeance: The True Story of an Israeli Counter-Terrorist Team
with an introduction by Richard Ben Cramer
Simon & Schuster, 2005
ISBN: 0743291646

Non-fiction.

The book that inspired the Steven Spielberg film Munich



Vengeance is a true story that reads like a novel. It is the account of five ordinary Israelis, selected to vanish into "the cold" of espionage secrecy -- their mission to hunt down and kill the PLO terrorists responsible for the massacre of eleven Israeli athletes at the Munich Olympics in 1972.

This is the account of that secret mission, as related by the leader of the group -- the first Mossad agent to come out of "deep cover" and tell the story of a heroic endeavor that was shrouded in silence and speculation for years. He reveals the long and dangerous operation whose success was bought at a terrible cost to the idealistic volunteer agents themselves.

"Avner" was the leader of that team, handpicked by Golda Meir to avenge the monstrous crime of Munich. He and his young companions, cut off from any direct contact with Israel, set out systematically to find and kill the central figures of the PLO's Munich operation, tracking them down wherever they lived.

The mechanics, the horror, the day-by-day suspense of what they did surpass by far anything John le Carré or Robert Ludlum could imagine, as they themselves were tracked in turn (and some killed) by PLO assassins, changing identities constantly, moving from country to country, devoting their young lives to the brutal task of vengeance.

Vengeance is a profoundly human document, a real-life espionage classic that plunges the reader into the shadow world of terrorism and political murder. But it goes far beyond that, to explore firsthand the feelings of disgust and doubt that gradually came to torment each member of the Israeli team, and that in the end inexorably changed their view of the mission -- and themselves.

Vengeance opens a window onto a secret world, a book that at the same time inspires and horrifies. For its subject is an act of revenge that goes to the very heart of the ancient biblical questions of good and evil.


37 posted on 12/11/2005 5:31:05 PM PST by freeforall
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To: avile

No kidding? A Hollywood lib not liking Israel? I'm surprised, no really.


42 posted on 12/11/2005 5:42:16 PM PST by Porterville (Keep your communism off my paycheck)
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To: avile

Glad to hear Exodus mentioned here. It was that book that alerted me to the Jewish plight and amazing journey to statehood.


52 posted on 12/11/2005 10:08:46 PM PST by Sam Gamgee (May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't. - Patton)
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To: avile
Munich is being panned.

Moral relativism, the moral equivalency, etc., are bad policy and make for mushy storytelling. Spielberg made a big mistake when he hired Tony Kushner. I can name 10 writers who would have been better. But Kushner is the flavor du jour in Hollywood, due of course to his leftist, pro-gay agenda. Anyway my point is besides being soft-on-terrorism, looks like the movie isn't good. Message movies rarely are.

54 posted on 12/12/2005 6:05:34 AM PST by veronica (....."send Congressman Murtha a message: that cowards cut and run, Marines never do.")
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To: avile

bumpmark


56 posted on 12/15/2005 2:49:04 PM PST by Mamzelle
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