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Experts dispute Williams claim of founding Crips
Reuters ^ | Mon Dec 12, 2005 | Dan Whitcomb

Posted on 12/12/2005 8:17:44 PM PST by nickcarraway

LOS ANGELES, Dec 12 (Reuters) - The debate over the imminent execution of Stanley Tookie Williams hinges partly on his claim that he founded the notorious Crips street gang -- then renounced a criminal life in a quest for redemption.

Though Williams, who is scheduled to die on Tuesday, maintains his innocence in the four 1979 murders that landed him on death row, he takes credit for founding the Crips a decade earlier with another teenager, Raymond Washington, and says he now regrets his role.

Prosecutors question the 51-year-old Williams' sincerity in repudiating the Crips. Experts say the convicted killer and his supporters have also overstated his role in founding the gang -- which has a reputation for violence -- as a way of emphasizing his claim of redemption.

"Actually, everybody but Tookie gives Raymond Washington credit for starting (the Crips)," said Malcolm Klein, an emeritus professor of sociology at the University of Southern California who has studied gangs since 1962.

"Instead of founding the gang, which is what Tookie claims, what you're really talking about is emerging as a dominant figure," Klein told Reuters. "Because he is such a dominant, violent, articulate bad guy, rather than leadership you're talking about influence."

Latino gangs first surfaced in Los Angeles after the turn of the century, historians say, and black gangs may have formed in the 1930s.

Blacks moved to Los Angeles in large numbers during World War II and those gangs gained strength until the mid-1960s, when youths were drawn to the civil-rights movement and radical political groups like the Black Panthers.

WILLIAMS AS ANTI-HERO

By the end of that decade, the Panthers had faded and 15-year-old Washington stepped into a power vacuum, creating a gang he initially called the Baby Avenues. The origins of the name "Crips" are hazy, though one theory attributes it to a disabled member known as a "cripple" to his comrades.

"The Crips were already well established when Tookie came on the scene," said retired Los Angeles County Sheriff's Sgt. and gang expert Wes McBride.

"(That he created the Crips) is part of his mystique that his supporters are using to try get him commuted. It gives him a stature as an anti-hero kind of person that has now turned his life around."

McBride says Williams, known by his middle name Tookie or the nickname "Big Took," helped build and solidify the Crips. The gang caught the imagination of the media after killing the son of a prominent black attorney and entering the popular culture through Hollywood films.

The Bloods emerged as rivals to the Crips in the early 1970s and the two gangs have feuded ever since.

McBride dismissed as "nonsense" claims by Williams that he started the Crips to defend his neighborhood against other gangs.

Williams has become a cause for anti-death penalty activists, including rapper and former Crips member Snoop Dogg and Oscar-winning actor Jamie Foxx, who starred in a sympathetic TV movie about the convicted murderer.

His case is one of several that have drawn attention to the U.S. use of the death penalty, as America recently passed its 1,000th execution since the U.S. Supreme Court reinstituted capital punishment in 1976.

McBride said there are now some 200 Crips gangs, though most are only loosely affiliated, with some 25,000 members in the Los Angeles area. Hundreds of people, mostly young black men, are killed each year in California by gangs.

Washington was killed by a rival gang member in 1979.

"There's not a whole lot of difference between the Crips of today and the Crips of yesteryear, only there's more of them," McBride said. "They are more involved in narcotics trafficking than they used to be, but Crips will do whatever they can to make money. Bank robberies, armored car robberies."

"Their legacy is that they've helped destroy the black community," McBride said. "Gangs kill communities just as surely as they kill people."


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Front Page News; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: criminal; crips; deathpenalty; gangs; organizedcrime; spookie; stanleywilliams; tookie; tookiewilliams
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To: nickcarraway

Where's the "Barf Alert" in the title?


41 posted on 12/12/2005 9:28:05 PM PST by anonymous_user (I'm going to wish you a Merry Christmas, but I'm not forcing you to have one.)
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To: nickcarraway
Tookie didn't form the Crips.


42 posted on 12/12/2005 9:28:29 PM PST by LdSentinal
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To: nickcarraway

Experts dispute Williams claim of founding Crips


----Let it go. No one cares who started the Crips. Tookie murdered people. He is going to die for it.

Stick a fork in Tookie. He is done........


43 posted on 12/12/2005 9:43:33 PM PST by WasDougsLamb (I refuse to have a battle of wits with an unarmed man)
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To: LdSentinal

Timmah!


44 posted on 12/12/2005 9:44:07 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: nickcarraway
Washington formed the Baby Avenues club in 1969.

Williams rose to a position of influence in the Crips after they gained local noteriety and their new name from a LA Sentinel article in 1972.

45 posted on 12/12/2005 10:10:00 PM PST by Amerigomag
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To: bigsigh
crip meant cowards run in packs

Now that's odd; I thought Crips it stood for Criminals Rampaging In Public Streets.

46 posted on 12/12/2005 10:46:58 PM PST by ApplegateRanch (Islam: a Satanically Transmitted Disease, spread by unprotected intimate contact with the Koranus.)
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To: AZRepublican
"Gangs kill communities just as surely as they kill people."

So does immigration.....

Illegal immigration.

47 posted on 12/12/2005 10:47:38 PM PST by ncountylee (Dead terrorists smell like victory)
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To: nickcarraway
Who cares?

Tookie is worm dookie.

Or soon will be, as soon as they dump his garbage body in the cold, cold ground.

Tough cookies, tookies.

Now you're a footnote in history.

48 posted on 12/13/2005 4:55:36 AM PST by OldSmaj (Hey Islam...I flushed a koran today and I let my dog pp on it first. Come get me, moon bats!)
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"The origins of the name "Crips" are hazy, though one theory attributes it to a disabled member known as a "cripple""

Sounds just like that South Park episode.


49 posted on 12/13/2005 6:44:18 AM PST by SmoothTalker
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