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Canada: Bystanders ignore plight of burning homeless man
The Times Colonist ^ | December 14, 2005 | Maurice Bridge

Posted on 12/14/2005 7:54:20 PM PST by Stoat

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To: DieHard the Hunter

I've beem treated by people like Nurse Wellstead.

They are troopers in the tradition of Florence Nightingale with the stamina to match.

The typical shift is 12 hour days for four days and three days off and you're still on 24 hr call for emergencies.

The young'uns aren't lining up to get those jobs.

I don't know what were're going to do when their gone.

And to you a very Merry Christmas, you and yours


121 posted on 12/15/2005 12:37:32 AM PST by beaver fever
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To: Petronski

Petronski you have a good heart like all Poles.


122 posted on 12/15/2005 1:27:09 AM PST by beaver fever
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To: furquhart

Are you for real !!! Disgraceful!


123 posted on 12/15/2005 1:37:47 AM PST by Fair Go
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To: Old Professer

I agree.


124 posted on 12/15/2005 1:39:25 AM PST by Fair Go
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To: beaver fever

Vancouver was recently named the world's most liveable city. The vote must have been rigged.


125 posted on 12/15/2005 1:43:12 AM PST by Fair Go
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To: dsc
"Again, it was 10:30 at night. There may not be enough evidence in this article to convict anybody."

Convict anyone of what?

Not putting there coffee down an checking out where the smoke is coming from?

Not leaving the counter of your $8.15 per hour job because you're boss may fire you for shutting down your till a 10:30 on a Friday on one of the slowest corners in Vancouver on a Friday night?

The guy was unconscious from a seizure lying under a burning blanket in an alley.

He is a street person in Vancouver and no Vancouver lawyer is going to take his case pro bono.

In the US trial lawyers are slimey.

In Canada pro bono lawyers are coke addicts and leave a slime trail you can follow on the street all the way to their offices in the local strip mall.

Hell I was a defense witness in a case where the lawyer's office was a converted kiosk in a car park and his high end client was a neo Nazi that was deported to Germany!!!!!!!!

If you think American lawyers are crooked you should come up here. A friend of mine got a lawyer to take on her divorce case pro bono. She had one meeting with him where he took her to IKEA to pick up furniture for his apartment and he tried to charge her $1,500 for the 'consultation'.

She responded by invoicing him $1,500 for consulting fees for decorating his apartment and notified the Local Bar Association and requested that they tax his bill which entails an automatic audit.

End of story.
126 posted on 12/15/2005 1:55:14 AM PST by beaver fever
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To: Fair Go

It's very liveable.

Like I said on earlier posts the worst, (Ghetto), area is only two blocks. Otherwise you can go anywhere anytime of the day or night and no agro.

No gun violence other than a couple of Indie gang wars in the 1990's that have settled down since the gang leaders are dead. The Dosanj's being the worst offenders and the last to take the dirt nap. Coke was the cause.

That gang activity was in Surrey. In Downtown Vancouver you can move around unmolested 24/7 and completely unarmed.

In Canada low life is creepy but not dangerous unless you're a user. You have to go out of your way here to get into trouble.


127 posted on 12/15/2005 2:06:34 AM PST by beaver fever
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To: beaver fever

My goodness, you are argumentative, aren't you?

"Convict anyone of what?"

Anything. Doesn't matter. Just means that it doesn't meet legal evidentiary standards.

"Not leaving the counter of your $8.15 per hour job because you're boss may fire you"

There's no indication that the waitress would have had to shut down her till just to call the emergency number.

"In Canada pro bono lawyers are"

Are you sure you mean pro bono, and not contingent fee?

Pro bono means the lawyer contributes his time for the public good. He gets paid nothing. In contingent fee arrangements the lawyer bets his time that he can win a settlement to be paid out of.

"If you think American lawyers are crooked"

I really don't see what that has to do with people being too uncaring even to make a phone call.


128 posted on 12/15/2005 2:48:08 AM PST by dsc
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To: Sicvee
The scene hasn't shifted it's still the one hundred block.

However the only businesses remaining are the Army and Navy and two hotel bars that are just jack joints.

A methodist ministry and Buddhist temple have left the area. the rest of the block is boarded up.

I used to spend a lot of time there when Simon Frazer University had an downtown artist studio in the 100 block.

You could still get excellent Chinese lunches very cheap.

Since then crack has destroyed everything, good cheap restaurants, bars and bands; now it's run by junkies.

What a waist of Vancouver history.

100 Block Hasting was the big band ballroom street of the 1940's. One building still has the original stage and dance floor and is contemned because it doesn't have fire escapes and sprinklers.
129 posted on 12/15/2005 3:01:06 AM PST by beaver fever
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To: beaver fever

Unfortunately every country has the drug users. In New South Wales a Labor Government allowed shooting rooms where addicts could go and shoot up. Apparently they have become havens for drug pushers. Pandering to drug pushers and drug users is not on in my book. I believe under the Howard Government the flow of drugs into Australia has reduced dramatically. I know Vancouver is a particularly attractive city. Cheers.


130 posted on 12/15/2005 3:03:27 AM PST by Fair Go
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To: dsc

"I really don't see what that has to do with people being too uncaring even to make a phone call."

Dude, I'm responding to five (at least) people on this thread. Check all my posts. I'm on your side.


131 posted on 12/15/2005 3:04:36 AM PST by beaver fever
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To: Fair Go

You make an interesting point.

A friend of mine is in Narc Anon. He set up a number of halfway houses for addicts.

Got governemnt funding and everything was going well until a number of dealers got wind of it and 'went onto the program'.

Subsequently they turned the halfway houses into crack houses.

Never underestimate an addict. Need wiil always provide a new opportunity.


132 posted on 12/15/2005 3:11:37 AM PST by beaver fever
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To: beaver fever

The annoying part is they take money from honest tax payers to set up such places. I am all for drug addicts being weaned cold turkey.


133 posted on 12/15/2005 3:52:07 AM PST by Fair Go
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To: Fair Go
I actually worked with construction crew who were all ex addicts who went to narc anon. One was a young electrician who was very good at his trade and came to the West Coast to get straight.

The foreman ran a halfway house and closed down a couple of houses that had been taken over by dealers. Another guy was a native who owned a famous fishing boat called the Haida Warrior.

He lost his deck mate and partner over the side of his crab boat in November in Queen Charlotte strait and jumped over the side to save him and failed.

Plus his thirteen year old daughter was raped by his best friend.

When I met him he was off jack but a year later he was back on and sinking fast. By now he's gone.

Sometimes you eat the bar and sometimes the bar eats you.

Sad but true. Nobodys fault. Sh** happens and then you die.
134 posted on 12/15/2005 4:32:31 AM PST by beaver fever
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To: burzum
Great points, and I have a few things here...

1) Thank you for your service!

2) I am (until recently crippled) a Pharm Chemist that has worked on Nuc Pharm Med and Nuc Chem. I know EXACTLY what you speak of...It fell regularly to me to be the one to say "No" to the clueless "Dilbert-esque" Boss, because I was the ONLY one who had the guts and character to do it...everyone else was a "yes" man! Not exactly an encouraging characteristic when you are working with 100+ curies of P-32, Co 60, Sr 85, Na 22, ect...when I was working the waldoes, I had to keep one eye on the cell, and one on the untrustworthy weasels!

3) I guess I never subscribed to "group-think"...I've always been my own person and went my own way, and never cared what the rest thought!

4) I agree completely with your "I also look out for people to don't react normally because they are the type of people you could trust with your life." comment 100%! It's now instinctive to me to do that in every situation I find myself in.

135 posted on 12/15/2005 5:37:02 AM PST by Itzlzha ("The avalanche has already started...it is too late for the pebbles to vote")
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To: Stoat
"When you are on fire, people get out of your way!" - Richard Pryor
136 posted on 12/15/2005 5:44:18 AM PST by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (Give Them Liberty Or Give Them Death! - IT'S ISLAM, STUPID! - Islam Delenda Est! - Rumble thee forth)
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To: beaver fever

"I'm responding to five (at least) people on this thread."

I'm responding to a few, too. Thought you were somebody else. Sorry.


137 posted on 12/15/2005 5:53:46 AM PST by dsc
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To: CommandoFrank

Light a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day. Light a man on fire and he'll be warm the rest of his life.


138 posted on 12/15/2005 5:56:32 AM PST by freedumb2003 (American troops cannot be defeated. American Politicians can.)
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To: beaver fever

...why do you say that?

Look at it this way. Why would anyone say it's good to let homeless people burn to death unless they meant to stir up trouble? Heck, even if he DID believe what he's saying, he probably has enough brains to realize it wouldn't be well recieved.

That's why I think Mr. F is behaving in a "trollish" manner. He's probably looking for people to get mad and indignant, because he thinks that would be funny.


139 posted on 12/15/2005 6:56:47 AM PST by Constantine XIII
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To: beaver fever

Thanks for the tip. I know that liquor store. I bought some great ice wine there for my wife last year. Don't really see that stuff in the US, at least not at Canadian prices.

I'll be back in January for Okada Sushi's Sockeye Salmon sashimi. Yum!


140 posted on 12/15/2005 7:01:52 AM PST by NewsJunqui
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