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Unwarranted Outrage - The Times blew our cover.
National Review Online ^ | December 19, 2005, 8:59 a.m. | James S. Robbins

Posted on 12/19/2005 1:53:38 PM PST by Cinnamon

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To: MNJohnnie
This isn't just partisanship. The Democrats have actively gone over to giving aid to the enemy.

Its all about the 2006 elections for the Dems

Listen very carefully ... they all have the same talking points

141 posted on 12/19/2005 3:55:16 PM PST by Mo1 (Republicans protect Americans from Terrorists. Democrats protect Terrorists from Americans)
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To: Holdek

"NO WHERE in FISA does it allow the President to allow a warantless wiretap on a citizen of the United States. No where. No one has posted any information to the contrary."

I shall spoon feed the idiot child:

Lesson 1:

Laws are all about definitions.

Lesson 2:

Here are the definitions.

(a) ''Foreign power'' means. . . (3) an entity that is openly acknowledged by a foreign government or governments to be directed and controlled by such

(This could include US Citizens easily.)

(4) a group engaged in international terrorism or activities in preparation therefor.

(This could include US Citizens who are working with Al Quada.)

(6) an entity that is directed and controlled by a foreign government or governments.

(This would be shell companies used as above.)

(b) 'Agent of a foreign power'' means -

(2) any person [note Part (1) exempted U.S. Citizens, so this implicitly includes US citizen) who -
(A) knowingly engages in clandestine intelligence gathering activities for or on behalf of a foreign power, whichactivities involve or may involve a violation of the criminal statutes of the United States;
(B) pursuant to the direction of an intelligence service or network of a foreign power, knowingly engages in any other clandestine intelligence activities for or on behalf of such foreign power, which activities involve or are about to involve a violation of the criminal statutes of the United
States;


Etc.

US Cits are covered in about 4 more sections.

Go away now, little troll.


142 posted on 12/19/2005 4:00:40 PM PST by MeanWestTexan (Many at FR would respond to Christ "Darn right, I'll cast the first stone!")
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To: DJ MacWoW

I have read FISA. It clearly states that:

(B) there is no substantial likelihood that the surveillance will acquire the contents of any communication to which a United States person is a party; and


143 posted on 12/19/2005 4:01:35 PM PST by Holdek (Real conservatives support the Bill of Rights)
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To: Holdek
The NY/DNC Slimes is your source???

ROTFLOL...LOL...ROTF!!!

144 posted on 12/19/2005 4:03:56 PM PST by Just A Nobody (I - LOVE - my attitude problem! WBB lives on. Beware the Enemedia.)
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To: Holdek; MeanWestTexan

Read 142. ALL of it.


145 posted on 12/19/2005 4:04:02 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (If you think you know what's coming next....You don't know Jack.)
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To: Holdek

HEY HOLDEK, WHO DID YOU VOTE FOR?


146 posted on 12/19/2005 4:05:57 PM PST by scottdeus12 (Liberals are like festering cysts. They must be lanced, drained, and removed.)
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To: Holdek
Oh and.........99.
147 posted on 12/19/2005 4:06:17 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (If you think you know what's coming next....You don't know Jack.)
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To: MeanWestTexan

Your rudeness aside... (apparently your mother never taught you manners)

It clearly states that warentless searches are only allowed if:

(B) there is no substantial likelihood that the surveillance will acquire the contents of any communication to which a United States person is a party; and


148 posted on 12/19/2005 4:06:33 PM PST by Holdek (Real conservatives support the Bill of Rights)
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To: Holdek

You haven't read a single law quoted, have you.
You voted for defeat and retreat, didn't you.


149 posted on 12/19/2005 4:06:41 PM PST by Darksheare ("Keep it just between us..." she said, and then she faded into the mist.)
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To: DJ MacWoW

Holdek
Since Dec 3, 2005

Slimy Troll for sure......


150 posted on 12/19/2005 4:07:27 PM PST by scottdeus12 (Liberals are like festering cysts. They must be lanced, drained, and removed.)
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To: Holdek

You sound like a child saying "Nunh-uh!"
Read it again, troll.


151 posted on 12/19/2005 4:07:45 PM PST by Darksheare ("Keep it just between us..." she said, and then she faded into the mist.)
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To: Holdek

You forgot Lesson One: Definitions.

Here you missed "United States Person."

'United States person'' means a citizen of the United States, an alien . . . but does not include a corporation or an association, which is a foreign power, as defined in subsection (a)(1), (2), or (3) of this section.

Now go read "association" definition, which basically includes Al Quada members.


152 posted on 12/19/2005 4:08:35 PM PST by MeanWestTexan (Many at FR would respond to Christ "Darn right, I'll cast the first stone!")
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To: scottdeus12

Please, people, read the law. FISA. All of it (not just the parts you like) before commenting on it to me. Especially this part:

(B) there is no substantial likelihood that the surveillance will acquire the contents of any communication to which a United States person is a party; and

Details are important. :)


153 posted on 12/19/2005 4:08:43 PM PST by Holdek (Real conservatives support the Bill of Rights)
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To: Holdek

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1543110/posts


154 posted on 12/19/2005 4:08:50 PM PST by Darksheare ("Keep it just between us..." she said, and then she faded into the mist.)
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To: scottdeus12
Slimy Troll for sure......

I've really tried to believe they just lacked reading comprehension but it's tough. LOL

155 posted on 12/19/2005 4:09:44 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (If you think you know what's coming next....You don't know Jack.)
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To: Holdek

Please, troll, before you hurt yourself anymore -read tehlaw.
You keep trying to act like you know something, and you don't as proven by repeated citings of the law which you continue to ignore since it doesn't back up YOUR fallacious position.


156 posted on 12/19/2005 4:10:29 PM PST by Darksheare ("Keep it just between us..." she said, and then she faded into the mist.)
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To: Holdek

Details ARE important.

Like:

"'United States person'' means a citizen of the United States, an alien . . . BUT DOES NOT INCLUDE a corporation or an association, which is a foreign power, as defined in subsection (a)(1), (2), or (3) of this section."



157 posted on 12/19/2005 4:11:21 PM PST by MeanWestTexan (Many at FR would respond to Christ "Darn right, I'll cast the first stone!")
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To: Holdek
"there is no substantial likelihood"

What does this mean to you?

158 posted on 12/19/2005 4:11:42 PM PST by the anti-liberal (Hey, Al Qaeda: Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent)
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To: DJ MacWoW

I've really tried to believe they just lacked reading comprehension but it's tough. LOL

My Bad.

Get bent.

Is that better you condescending troll?


159 posted on 12/19/2005 4:12:37 PM PST by scottdeus12 (Liberals are like festering cysts. They must be lanced, drained, and removed.)
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To: MeanWestTexan

LOL Now you are making the law up as you go along.

If a United States person is involved a United States person is involved. Being part of an association does not preclude being a United States person.


160 posted on 12/19/2005 4:12:43 PM PST by Holdek (Real conservatives support the Bill of Rights)
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