Posted on 12/19/2005 1:53:38 PM PST by Cinnamon
Its all about the 2006 elections for the Dems
Listen very carefully ... they all have the same talking points
"NO WHERE in FISA does it allow the President to allow a warantless wiretap on a citizen of the United States. No where. No one has posted any information to the contrary."
I shall spoon feed the idiot child:
Lesson 1:
Laws are all about definitions.
Lesson 2:
Here are the definitions.
(a) ''Foreign power'' means. . . (3) an entity that is openly acknowledged by a foreign government or governments to be directed and controlled by such
(This could include US Citizens easily.)
(4) a group engaged in international terrorism or activities in preparation therefor.
(This could include US Citizens who are working with Al Quada.)
(6) an entity that is directed and controlled by a foreign government or governments.
(This would be shell companies used as above.)
(b) 'Agent of a foreign power'' means -
(2) any person [note Part (1) exempted U.S. Citizens, so this implicitly includes US citizen) who -
(A) knowingly engages in clandestine intelligence gathering activities for or on behalf of a foreign power, whichactivities involve or may involve a violation of the criminal statutes of the United States;
(B) pursuant to the direction of an intelligence service or network of a foreign power, knowingly engages in any other clandestine intelligence activities for or on behalf of such foreign power, which activities involve or are about to involve a violation of the criminal statutes of the United
States;
Etc.
US Cits are covered in about 4 more sections.
Go away now, little troll.
I have read FISA. It clearly states that:
(B) there is no substantial likelihood that the surveillance will acquire the contents of any communication to which a United States person is a party; and
ROTFLOL...LOL...ROTF!!!
Read 142. ALL of it.
HEY HOLDEK, WHO DID YOU VOTE FOR?
Your rudeness aside... (apparently your mother never taught you manners)
It clearly states that warentless searches are only allowed if:
(B) there is no substantial likelihood that the surveillance will acquire the contents of any communication to which a United States person is a party; and
You haven't read a single law quoted, have you.
You voted for defeat and retreat, didn't you.
Holdek
Since Dec 3, 2005
Slimy Troll for sure......
You sound like a child saying "Nunh-uh!"
Read it again, troll.
You forgot Lesson One: Definitions.
Here you missed "United States Person."
'United States person'' means a citizen of the United States, an alien . . . but does not include a corporation or an association, which is a foreign power, as defined in subsection (a)(1), (2), or (3) of this section.
Now go read "association" definition, which basically includes Al Quada members.
Please, people, read the law. FISA. All of it (not just the parts you like) before commenting on it to me. Especially this part:
(B) there is no substantial likelihood that the surveillance will acquire the contents of any communication to which a United States person is a party; and
Details are important. :)
I've really tried to believe they just lacked reading comprehension but it's tough. LOL
Please, troll, before you hurt yourself anymore -read tehlaw.
You keep trying to act like you know something, and you don't as proven by repeated citings of the law which you continue to ignore since it doesn't back up YOUR fallacious position.
Details ARE important.
Like:
"'United States person'' means a citizen of the United States, an alien . . . BUT DOES NOT INCLUDE a corporation or an association, which is a foreign power, as defined in subsection (a)(1), (2), or (3) of this section."
What does this mean to you?
I've really tried to believe they just lacked reading comprehension but it's tough. LOL
My Bad.
Get bent.
Is that better you condescending troll?
LOL Now you are making the law up as you go along.
If a United States person is involved a United States person is involved. Being part of an association does not preclude being a United States person.
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