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CA: A plan to boost green projects - Coalition in state drafts parks, water measure for ballot
Mercury News ^ | 12/30/05 | Paul Rogers

Posted on 12/30/2005 9:25:03 AM PST by NormsRevenge

In an unusual campaign to hedge their political bets, a coalition of 11 leading environmental groups has quietly drafted a ballot measure asking California voters next year to approve the largest parks and water bond in state history.

The proposed measure, now awaiting a title and summary from California Attorney General Bill Lockyer, would raise $5.4 billion to shore up aging levees in San Francisco Bay's delta, build new drinking water treatment plants, fund flood control, restore salmon runs and purchase new parklands from Monterey Bay to Lake Tahoe to inner-city Los Angeles.

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``We're hopeful the governor and the Legislature will respond, and they'll include funding in their bond proposals for those needs. But we are prepared to move forward with this proposal if the Legislature fails to meet the need.''

The environmental coalition is composed of deep-pocketed land trusts and other organizations that campaigned to win passage of the last parks and water bonds, Propositions 40 and 50 in 2002. It includes the Nature Conservancy, California Audubon Society, Save-the-Redwoods League, the Trust for Public Land, Peninsula Open Space Trust and Big Sur Land Trust.

The group will have to raise about $5 million to fund the campaign, and has hired a firm to begin collecting 600,000 signatures in about a month to meet a mid-April deadline, said Rachel Dinno, government affairs director for the Trust for Public Land, in Sacramento.

(Excerpt) Read more at mercurynews.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: ballot; bigbangbond; boost; calbudget; california; calinitiatives; coalition; conservancy; green; greengovernor; measure; natureconservancy; openspace; parks; projects; trustforpublicland; water
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To: ElkGroveDan; SierraWasp

It must be this one: Proposition 180, Park Lands, Historic Sites, Wildlife & Conservation Bond Act. It was on the June 1994 ballot and failed, receiving 43.3% voter approval. (CALPAW = California Parks and Wildlife)

From the Caltax website: "The 1994 measure was Proposition 180, an initiative to incur $2 billion in debt for parks and conservation. Cal-Tax opposed the measure because it was drafted without legislative review, was not viewed as the best use of scarce resources, and it would have spent one-time bond money on some ongoing program operations."

From the Jarvis website: "In 1994 we successfully campaigned against Proposition 180 which would have cost taxpayers $3.5 billion to purchase land for special interests. "

It apparently included much more than land, even designating 2% to be dedicated for bike paths.


21 posted on 12/30/2005 11:50:42 AM PST by calcowgirl
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To: dalereed
NO MORE BONDS!

I agree. My point is that these bonds are being used to fund ongoing day to day items...kinda like paying for ones groceries by refinancing the house...not a sound financial decision IMHO

22 posted on 12/30/2005 12:01:21 PM PST by forester (An economy that is overburdened by government eventually results in collapse)
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To: barj

Truly amazing isn't it? The funny part was that the DFG guy told me that I should look to this list to get a feel for what kind of projects the grant program was funding. I called him back and said "they are funding themselves!"


23 posted on 12/30/2005 12:04:51 PM PST by forester (An economy that is overburdened by government eventually results in collapse)
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To: calcowgirl

Your welcome.


24 posted on 12/30/2005 12:07:04 PM PST by forester (An economy that is overburdened by government eventually results in collapse)
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To: forester; ElkGroveDan; ScottinSacto; Carry_Okie; NormsRevenge; FOG724; calcowgirl; tubebender; ...
Yes... The CAF&G's Wildlife Conservation Board is the Real Estate arm of F&G and spends a multitude of millions every year acquiring land from CONservancies and Land Trusts at vastly inflated prices while removing said properties from county property tax rolls. While holding these properties for subsequent sale to the Wildlife Conservation Board, the CONservancies get some kind of welfare exemption from paying any taxes to the counties.

This scam of the taxpayers and against the counties, their own political subdivisions, has been growing by leaps and bounds through these phony CONservancies in a corrupt process that is loaded with abuse from front to back.

Assemblyman David Knowles once tried to have it audited, but I think the parent agency, CA State Fish & Game, along with it's umbrella agency, the CA Resources Agency all needed to be included in the audit because stuff got sifted and shifted in a New York Minute!!!

Poor Knowles got so shifted and shafted after term limiting out and turning his office over to Rico Oller that he ended up over in the Dept. of Insurance and then had to jump to the CA Earthquake Authority he helped create (when they demonized Quackenbush and drove him out to HI) before eventually being squeezed out of State Government Service entirely... And so it goes!!!

If I got any of this incorrect, you can ask ElkGroveDan to clean up the details if you want to. I don't think ScottinSacto lurks/posts here anymore, or you could get even more details from him.

Anyways... This whole mess is HUGE!!! (not Hugh!!!)

25 posted on 12/30/2005 4:39:44 PM PST by SierraWasp (EnvironMentalism... America's establishment of it's unconstitutional State Religion!!!)
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To: ElkGroveDan

NO! It was Prop 180 that was defeated the year I won election!!! I'll never forget it! I was almost as pleased with it's defeat as I was with our victory in that election!!!


26 posted on 12/30/2005 4:44:09 PM PST by SierraWasp (EnvironMentalism... America's establishment of it's unconstitutional State Religion!!!)
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To: calcowgirl
Good! As usual, you've looked up the answer before I even knew he was confused and now I find out you've answered him long before I did and I find that still to be breathtakingly GOOD!!!

There's NO girl, like our calcowgirl!!! Yippiekiyiyooooooooo!!!

27 posted on 12/30/2005 4:52:58 PM PST by SierraWasp (EnvironMentalism... America's establishment of it's unconstitutional State Religion!!!)
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To: SierraWasp

ROFL! I learn a lot from following up on your posts. I got a lifetime education in researching the Sierra Nevada CONservancy. I almost feel like you do it intentionally... like a virtual leash leading me around to stuff I should know, LOL. Hey--whatever works!


28 posted on 12/30/2005 5:27:04 PM PST by calcowgirl
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To: calcowgirl
Yes, ccg... It's called the Socratic Method of instruction!

Teaching by asking a series of leading questions, or providing a series of leading intrigues to investigate.

Now when are you going to teach me how to copy and past graphics I find into my replies. I'll warn ya! I've been taught before, but have let it fade from my seemingly fading memory. (I sure can remember some things longer and better than others, however)

29 posted on 12/30/2005 5:33:12 PM PST by SierraWasp (EnvironMentalism... America's establishment of it's unconstitutional State Religion!!!)
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To: SierraWasp
Yes, ccg... It's called the Socratic Method of instruction! Teaching by asking a series of leading questions, or providing a series of leading intrigues to investigate.

AHA! You have been doin' it intentionally! ROFL.

Now when are you going to teach me how to copy and past graphics I find into my replies.

What kind of graphics? I am not a great teacher, but I always love a challenge ;-)

30 posted on 12/30/2005 5:38:54 PM PST by calcowgirl
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To: calcowgirl

Have you dug into the stuff I related in Reply #25, yet? Someday, someway, somebody is gonna find a way to publish quite a news story by following through on the corruption and landgrabbing to make the entire State of CA into the "People's Park!" (Remember when Reagan had to break up that little protest at UC Berkeley?)(That was just a precursor of CA's Commies doing it through the State F&G!!!)


31 posted on 12/30/2005 5:39:06 PM PST by SierraWasp (EnvironMentalism... America's establishment of it's unconstitutional State Religion!!!)
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To: calcowgirl

Oh, you know... when I find a snappy little picture, or cartoon, or etching... no wait! Scratch the etching!!! (or is that scratch the itching?)(I gotta go fix a sandwich. I be back later.)


32 posted on 12/30/2005 5:43:07 PM PST by SierraWasp (EnvironMentalism... America's establishment of it's unconstitutional State Religion!!!)
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To: SierraWasp

I did do some digging a couple years back regarding a certain individual that just happened to always be in the right place at the right time (having bought bunches of properties that were later deemed desireable to those in charge of public funds--both in Southern and Northern California). Unfortunately, I dumped my hard drive a while back and lost all of that info. I can't even remember the guy's full name! I agree--HUGE.


33 posted on 12/30/2005 5:44:58 PM PST by calcowgirl
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To: NormsRevenge
The proposed measure, now awaiting a title and summary from California Attorney General Bill Lockyer, would raise $5.4 billion to shore up aging levees in San Francisco Bay's delta, build new drinking water treatment plants, fund flood control, restore salmon runs and purchase new parklands from Monterey Bay to Lake Tahoe to inner-city Los Angeles.

--snip--

``We're hopeful the governor and the Legislature will respond, and they'll include funding in their bond proposals for those needs.

Those are not needs, they're wants.

34 posted on 12/30/2005 5:48:28 PM PST by oldbrowser (Release the Barrett Report)
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To: SierraWasp
Ahh... okay. You mean images (i.e. jpg files or gif files).

Whenever you see one you like, right click on it and select "properties".
From the properties box, copy the URL that it reflects under "address"
(example: http://www.breakfastforlunch.com/skillet/kool-aid-man.jpg).

Now, to post it, type:
(img src="http://www.breakfastforlunch.com/skillet/kool-aid-man.jpg")
except, replace the ( ) with < >

Then you should be able to post this:

Okay... now I want to see you post that picture in a post back to me.
35 posted on 12/30/2005 6:01:34 PM PST by calcowgirl
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To: calcowgirl

Oh NO!!! You not gonna ask me to actually DO it, are ya??? I'm gonna go run and hide for a month or two!!! Egad!!!


36 posted on 12/30/2005 7:50:07 PM PST by SierraWasp (EnvironMentalism... America's establishment of it's unconstitutional State Religion!!!)
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To: calcowgirl
You mean like dis???


37 posted on 12/30/2005 7:54:08 PM PST by SierraWasp (EnvironMentalism... America's establishment of it's unconstitutional State Religion!!!)
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To: SierraWasp

EXCELLENT! Now... bookmark this thread and you'll have it for future reference!

(And I'm bookmarking in case ya ask me agin, lol)


38 posted on 12/30/2005 8:16:31 PM PST by calcowgirl
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To: calcowgirl
There is an HTML tag that allows you to ignore tags.

(img src="http://www.breakfastforlunch.com/skillet/kool-aid-man.jpg") except, replace the ( ) with < >

becomes:

< img src="http://www.breakfastforlunch.com/skillet/kool-aid-man.jpg" >

39 posted on 12/30/2005 8:53:29 PM PST by Amerigomag
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To: Amerigomag

>>There is an HTML tag that allows you to ignore tags.

Thanks... what is it? Or how do I do that?


40 posted on 12/30/2005 9:09:48 PM PST by calcowgirl
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