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The Fight over the Iraq vote and the strange hypocrisy of the American Right regarding Iraq [FR]
OpEdNews.com ^ | December 31, 2005 | Steven Leser

Posted on 01/01/2006 1:56:14 AM PST by Watery Tart

The Fight over the Iraq vote and the strange
hypocrisy of the American Right regarding Iraq

The Islamic Republic of Iraq?

Traverse any blog or website geared to Republicans and the Conservative Right here in the United States (such as Free Republic or http://www.freerepublic.com ), and a strange dichotomy becomes evident with regard to Iraq.

First, they talk about every practicing Muslim and everyone of Arab descent as if they were a member of Al Qaeda and an animal. A popular photo on Free Republic shows a Grim Reaper with a skull and proclaims "Islam - It's the Evil of our Time, let's NOT leave it for our children".


See http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1487236/posts


and http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1548226/posts


and http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1548198/posts


and http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1548214/posts


and http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1508903/posts


Invariably, any discussion of Islam on these websites involves description of Muhammad as a pervert and a pedophile. In almost the same sentence, these people have no problem saying that they support Bush going into Iraq to promote Democracy for the people there. Yes, such wonderful things they and their President want for Iraqis.


Then, in a later thread, which might describe insurgents blowing something up in Iraq, they again continue their diatribe that all Muslims and Arabs are animals and should be killed or 'nuked'.


Queer folk these conservatives. Oops, they are going to be upset I called them Queer given their ridiculous hatred of gays. Ah well, what can one do?


I get the feeling that most Republicans secretly feel this way about Muslims and Arabs. I know President Bush has publicly said that he is not warring against Islam or Arabs, but against Saddam Hussein and the Terrorists, but I have this feeling that he and Uncle Dick say things altogether different in private.


In any case, the Republican electorate is virulently anti-Islam and that is a shame. Most practitioners of Islam that I have had the pleasure to know are wonderful, law abiding and hard working people.


The Iraq war is continuing to evolve into another phase that was predicted by many; anarchy and civil war.


The Shiites, who vastly outnumber Iraq's other two ethnic groups, Sunnis and Kurds, are naturally going to win any fair democratic elections in the country. The Sunnis and Kurds are not going to like this for many reasons among them that both groups are generally less observant of Islamic laws and traditions than the Shiites and the Shiites seem to want to steer Iraq toward fundamentalist Islam.

George Bush may claim (now, since no WMD were found) that he went to war to bring Democracy to the people of Iraq, but the net effect of his actions will likely be a Muslim Theocracy. Women in particular are going to suffer when the country becomes "The Shiite Islamic Republic of Iraq". [Don't forget the Children! --WT]

Democratic elections aren't going to turn out to be a good thing here and the Sunnis and Kurds know it. That is why they are protesting these elections tooth and nail. All the protesting and new elections, if they are able to attain them, will not help Sunnis and Kurds overcome the massive Shiite majority in the country.


Where does this leave us? The Freepers (as they like to call themselves) over at Free Republic deserve credit for some of the wackiest and creepiest (nuke all the people in over several dozen countries? Hello? Any humans on that site?) hypocrisy in history.


And President Bush, who was re-elected by an army of evangelical Christians for being such a “good Christian man” is going to be most remembered for establishing a radical Islamic Republic in Iraq.All of which proves the old axiom, truth is stranger then fiction, particularly when dealing with Republicans.


Authors Bio: Steven Leser is a freelance journalist specializing in Politics, Science & Health, and Entertainment topics. He has held positions within the Democratic Party including District Chair and Public Relations Chair within county organizations. His coverage of the Ohio Presidential Recount in 2004 was distinguished by actual interviews with Carlo Loparo, spokesperson for the Ohio Secretary of State, along with Supervisors of Elections of several Ohio counties. Similar efforts on other topics to get first hand information from sources separate Mr. Leser from many of his contemporaries.


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HOW DARE YOU ALL THINK THE SAME WAY! The same opinion! Hundreds of thousands of you! </steventhoughtpolice>

Sounds like another DUer with FRaphobia! We should all FEEL what he FEELS! Unnnngh!

And NO, I didn't correct the spelling or punctuation. My [SIC] key is broken....

1 posted on 01/01/2006 1:56:17 AM PST by Watery Tart
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To: Neets; Darksheare; scott0347; timpad; Conspiracy Guy; NYC GOP Chick; MeekOneGOP; Fedora; OSHA; ...

Have at it!


2 posted on 01/01/2006 1:59:21 AM PST by Watery Tart (Babe Ruth is dead. Throw strikes.)
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To: Watery Tart

BFLR. Sorry - I need to. I can't stop laughing.


3 posted on 01/01/2006 2:07:37 AM PST by cgk (I don't see myself as a conservative. I see myself as a religious, right-wing, wacko extremist.)
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To: Watery Tart
A popular photo on Free Republic shows a Grim Reaper with a skull and proclaims "Islam - It's the Evil of our Time, let's NOT leave it for our children".

I've never seen this, and I spend plenty of time on FR. Any FReepers remember this?
4 posted on 01/01/2006 2:10:28 AM PST by GodBlessRonaldReagan (Count Petofi will not be denied!)
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To: Watery Tart
Steven Leser is a freelance journalist specializing in Politics, Science & Health, and Entertainment topics. He has held positions within the Democratic Party including District Chair and Public Relations Chair within county organizations.

That right there should disqualify him as a journalist. He's a propagandist - but then most journalists are these days.
5 posted on 01/01/2006 2:12:05 AM PST by GodBlessRonaldReagan (Count Petofi will not be denied!)
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To: GodBlessRonaldReagan
I think this one is more popular, actually. The author must've missed it.


6 posted on 01/01/2006 2:12:59 AM PST by cgk (I don't see myself as a conservative. I see myself as a religious, right-wing, wacko extremist.)
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To: cgk

That's what first came to mind when I read the article.


7 posted on 01/01/2006 2:15:39 AM PST by GodBlessRonaldReagan (Count Petofi will not be denied!)
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To: GodBlessRonaldReagan

All of the posts the guy linked to were fine..

I guess he wanted us to scroll down through 300 posts to find one or two wise-crackers. Feh..


8 posted on 01/01/2006 2:16:23 AM PST by Capn TrVth
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To: Watery Tart

An Islamic Republic of Iraq would be unconstitutional under the current Iraqi constitution. So, the future depends on whether Iraq follows liberalism, which means Iraq ignores its constitution, or is more conservative.


9 posted on 01/01/2006 2:17:56 AM PST by JohnCliftn (In War: Resolution. In Defeat: Defiance. In Victory: Magnanimity. In Peace: Good Will.)
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To: cgk

Bump!


10 posted on 01/01/2006 2:20:50 AM PST by Liberty Valance ("Can't hide Freedom's song." ~ Starwise)
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To: Capn TrVth
I guess he wanted us to scroll down through 300 posts to find one or two wise-crackers. Feh..

It'd take 2-3 posts to find something equally offensive to us at DU. Freedom of speech is a pain, isn't it Mr. Leser? I'm sure you'd like to remedy that.
11 posted on 01/01/2006 2:22:29 AM PST by GodBlessRonaldReagan (Count Petofi will not be denied!)
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To: JohnCliftn

"An Islamic Republic of Iraq would be unconstitutional under the current Iraqi constitution. So, the future depends on whether Iraq follows liberalism, which means Iraq ignores its constitution, or is more conservative."

Iraq will be acceptable if they don't advance terrorism. (That means any form of support, direct or indirect.)

If muslims wish to live in an islamic republic, let them be. They must remain peaceful.

If otherwise, whack 'em again until they understand.

One country at a time.


12 posted on 01/01/2006 2:28:01 AM PST by truth_seeker
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To: Watery Tart

Everyone knows that Saddam's hate and racist regime is an aka for Islamic insitution, whatever the sectarian differences. Everyone knows we out West emancipated ourselves from the Church too.

It's liberals who are racist irrational irresponsible hypocrites and who want to ally with Islamics or Saddam into a socialist institution of government cynicism and human irresponsability for the other, let alone foreigners, in total racism.

Thus yet another "hell is the other" Sartre-an racist hypocrite liberal calling pot black, wishing to be part of the pedophile possessive gang preventing free competition and access to better things than themselves.

Iraqis can emancipate themselves from Islam just as we did from the church... so why do liberals want us to go back to the Church? Why blame us for wishing to nuke? Hypocrites them!


13 posted on 01/01/2006 2:28:29 AM PST by JudgemAll (Condemn me, make me naked and kill me, or be silent for ever on my gun ownership and law enforcement)
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To: Watery Tart

I like your picture gallery, and have many of the same ones in my files.

As for Islam, I'm sure many of the followers/believers are very nice people. As for Mohammed, yeah, he sounds like a bad dude, and I wonder if his Satanic Verses were the entire Koran.


14 posted on 01/01/2006 2:29:02 AM PST by patriciaruth (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1346573/posts)
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To: cgk
Forgive me, I have the world's slowest connection tonite.

I can't stop laughing.

You must have the same mental image of this asshat as I do....

(LOVE your tagline, BTW!)

15 posted on 01/01/2006 2:29:41 AM PST by Watery Tart (Babe Ruth is dead. Throw strikes.)
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To: Watery Tart
Invariably, any discussion of Islam on these websites involves description of Muhammad as a pervert and a pedophile

Isn't this an established fact??

16 posted on 01/01/2006 2:32:07 AM PST by GeronL (http://flogerloon.blogspot.com)
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To: Watery Tart

Nuke Steven Leser


17 posted on 01/01/2006 2:32:29 AM PST by kanawa (Freaking panty wetting, weakspined bliss-ninny socialist punks)
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To: Watery Tart
I favor freedom for the middle east so that they may eventually leave the swamp that is islam. That evil cult has had a stranglehold there for 14 centuries too many it is time it had some competition and eventually some brave souls will see that there is life beyond the pedophile profit's (pigs be upon him) death cult.
18 posted on 01/01/2006 2:33:31 AM PST by CzarNicky (The problem with bad ideas is that they seemed like good ideas at the time.)
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To: GodBlessRonaldReagan
Forgive me, I have the world's slowest connection tonite.

I've never seen this, and I spend plenty of time on FR. Any FReepers remember this?

All I remember seeing (after noting that this youngster gravitates to the s-e-x threads) is Morgan Fairchild vs. Madeline Albright. Yeah, that's the ticket!

19 posted on 01/01/2006 2:37:34 AM PST by Watery Tart (Babe Ruth is dead. Throw strikes.)
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To: Watery Tart

He's just pissed because he keeps getting zotted here.


20 posted on 01/01/2006 2:40:12 AM PST by chemicalman (Many have skeletons in their closets. In New Orleans, we have skeletons in our attics.)
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To: Watery Tart

The ACTIONS of Islam are diametrically opposed to the WORDS of Islam.

The left is childish and naive enough to take people at their word.

Iraq must yet prove itself as well as the entire world of Islam.


21 posted on 01/01/2006 2:42:07 AM PST by tkathy (Ban the headscarf (http://bloodlesslinchpinsofislamicterrorism.blogspot.com))
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To: JohnCliftn
An Islamic Republic of Iraq would be unconstitutional under the current Iraqi constitution. So, the future depends on whether Iraq follows liberalism, which means Iraq ignores its constitution, or is more conservative.

No, no, no! HE KNOWS what is going to happen, and how you feel! </sarcasm>

22 posted on 01/01/2006 2:42:17 AM PST by Watery Tart (Babe Ruth is dead. Throw strikes.)
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To: Watery Tart; All
Gee, I fell left out:

Islam, The Alleged Religion of Peace® ( TARP™ )? Click this picture:

No, I am not exaggerating. Click the pic, go to "last," and read backwards.
If you are not informed about this stuff, you will be made sick. If you are informed, you will be made mad, all over again.

23 posted on 01/01/2006 2:44:39 AM PST by backhoe (The Silence of the Tom's ( Tired Old Media... ))
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To: Watery Tart
What left-wing crap. This article is so transparent ignorant that it's hardly worthy of serious analysis.

Yawn:

First, they talk about every practicing Muslim and everyone of Arab descent as if they were a member of Al Qaeda and an animal.

hysterical exaggeration #1

Invariably, any discussion of Islam on these websites involves description of Muhammad as a pervert and a pedophile. In almost the same sentence, these people have no problem saying that they support Bush going into Iraq to promote Democracy for the people there

non sequitur

Oops, they are going to be upset I called them Queer given their ridiculous hatred of gays

Ridiculous? Hatred?

Most practitioners of Islam that I have had the pleasure to know are wonderful, law abiding and hard working people.

Well, then, they need to speak out against the fanatical extremists who are hijacking their religion. If they don't purge this cancer from their own religion, external forces will do it for them, and at a much higher cost.

The Iraq war is continuing to evolve into another phase that was predicted by many; anarchy and civil war.

Anarchy? Civil War? Is this moron referring to the recent peaceful and highly participatory democratic elections in Iraq, along with its new Constitution and permanent government?

Democratic elections aren't going to turn out to be a good thing here and the Sunnis and Kurds know it. That is why they are protesting these elections tooth and nail. All the protesting and new elections, if they are able to attain them, will not help Sunnis and Kurds overcome the massive Shiite majority in the country.

This arrogant, elitist point of view apparently presumes that a multi-ethnic population can't peacefully co-exist in a unified Iraq. Total horses--t, given the facts on the ground.

Ladies and gentleman, ignorance from leftist appeasers just doesn't get any more profound than this…

25 posted on 01/01/2006 2:54:15 AM PST by sargon (How could anyone have voted for the socialist, weak-on-defense fraud named John Kerry?)
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To: Watery Tart
Steven Leser

"..Authors Bio: Steven Leser is a freelance journalist specializing in Politics, Science & Health, and Entertainment topics. He has held positions within the Democratic Party including District Chair and Public Relations Chair within county organizations. His coverage of the Ohio Presidential Recount in 2004 was distinguished by actual interviews with Carlo Loparo, spokesperson for the Ohio Secretary of State, along with Supervisors of Elections of several Ohio counties. Similar efforts on other topics to get first hand information from sources separate Mr. Leser from many of his contemporaries..."

This is a man with an agenda and not to be trusted. While a lot of FR comments about Islam are over the top, the hard fact is that the current practice of Islam by many in those areas is part of the problem and that Islam as a belief system praticiced by the extremists is not compatible the the values of modern Western Civilization.

They want "that old time religion", right back to the seventh century with barbaric punishments and opression of women and a host of other unacceptable rules. And they want it worldwide.

26 posted on 01/01/2006 2:56:16 AM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Watery Tart

This op-ed.com web site is nothing more than a collection of conspiracy theories, "rigged voting machines" and Republicans are Nazis crap. They are so far out on the lunatic fringe, one of their articles complain that NPR is too pro republican.

I would wager more people have read the nutjob's article after it was posted on FR than did before. You've probably trippled traffic to the lunatic website as well.


27 posted on 01/01/2006 3:00:02 AM PST by NavVet (“Benedict Arnold was wounded in battle fighting for America, but no one remembers him for that.”)
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To: Watery Tart

Do you REALLY want my opinion of this writer?

28 posted on 01/01/2006 3:07:47 AM PST by MEG33 (GOD BLESS OUR ARMED FORCES)
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To: GodBlessRonaldReagan

It was included in one of the links above. One post with one reply, which was a bump. I guess in DU land that makes a picture "popular".


29 posted on 01/01/2006 3:08:01 AM PST by cincinnati65 (Just up the road a piece.......)
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To: cgk

stop mocking liberals with conservative penis envies...


30 posted on 01/01/2006 3:11:32 AM PST by JudgemAll (Condemn me, make me naked and kill me, or be silent for ever on my gun ownership and law enforcement)
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To: cgk
Forgive me, I have the world's slowest connection tonite.

I think this one is more popular, actually. The author must've missed it.

Then I am guessing you won't mind if I keep a copy?
;o)

31 posted on 01/01/2006 3:16:26 AM PST by Watery Tart (It's where I get all my good photos of Ollie, too....)
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To: Watery Tart

The article's author committs the same type of grouping together of people in naming, attributing the faults of a few to the entire group, and then hating his convoluted construct, that he attacks in his criticism. The only difference is that he attacks others for attacking Islam, while he applies the same method he hates against conservatives.


32 posted on 01/01/2006 3:16:38 AM PST by Cvengr (<;^))
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To: GeronL

Isn't this an established fact??



yes and one which "unhomophobic" liberals find very appealing... probably the bottom line message of the author asking for some of his own rear end action for mooslims.


33 posted on 01/01/2006 3:18:11 AM PST by JudgemAll (Condemn me, make me naked and kill me, or be silent for ever on my gun ownership and law enforcement)
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To: Cvengr

Good point. At the bottom the author wants to destroy free speech and the trust it promotes in the economy for its valid reports on products.

He wants to destroy FR and American "freeperonomics" in general


34 posted on 01/01/2006 3:22:13 AM PST by JudgemAll (Condemn me, make me naked and kill me, or be silent for ever on my gun ownership and law enforcement)
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To: JudgemAll
Liberals get on my nerves
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35 posted on 01/01/2006 3:22:16 AM PST by GeronL (http://flogerloon.blogspot.com)
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To: JudgemAll

You are quite correct, we know how jealousy works, and the author really doesn't know how to express his deepest feelings. It's a shame, that's his profession.


36 posted on 01/01/2006 3:24:31 AM PST by Cvengr (<;^))
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To: Watery Tart

The entire world of Islam could stop terrorism in a heartbeat. They talk nice, and contribute money to charities which funnel money to murder.


37 posted on 01/01/2006 3:26:29 AM PST by tkathy (Ban the headscarf (http://bloodlesslinchpinsofislamicterrorism.blogspot.com))
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To: GodBlessRonaldReagan

First time I've seen that graphic. Seems that in addition to the war on Bush, there may be a coordinated War on "Blogs" starting at the MSM.


38 posted on 01/01/2006 3:27:57 AM PST by Paladin2 (If the political indictment's from Fitz, the jury always acquits.)
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To: GodBlessRonaldReagan
I've never seen this, and I spend plenty of time on FR. Any FReepers remember this?

I've never seen it either. In fact, the FR he describes is not something I recognize at all.

Of course, the author is a leftist, ergo he is a liar.

39 posted on 01/01/2006 3:29:24 AM PST by alnick
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To: Watery Tart
Most practitioners of Islam that I have had the pleasure to know are wonderful, law abiding and hard working people

Spot on. After all, most everyone by now knows that the murderous animals that strap explosives to their bodies and randomly blow up innocent civilians are Irish Catholic altar boys and how dare they blame any Muslims.

40 posted on 01/01/2006 3:39:05 AM PST by varon (Allegiance to the constitution, always. Allegiance to a political party, never.)
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To: patriciaruth; GeronL
Forgive me, I have the world's slowest connection tonite.

I like your picture gallery, and have many of the same ones in my files.

Yes, I walked around all of X42's regime and said, "What the HECK do they see in that old bloated @#$%%?

Invariably, any discussion of Islam on these websites involves description of Muhammad as a pervert and a pedophile

Isn't this an established fact??

As for Mohammed, yeah, he sounds like a bad dude, and I wonder if his Satanic Verses were the entire Koran.

Yeah, I thought this youngster ("youth?") would have commented before this on the subject. On a real website. That has real news. Not this "OpEd" site where they seemed to have given this boy the keys over the holidays.

41 posted on 01/01/2006 3:40:50 AM PST by Watery Tart (Babe Ruth is dead. Throw strikes.)
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To: kanawa
Forgive me, I have the world's slowest connection tonite.

Nuke Steven Leser

With extreme prejudice. But maybe if he joined up....Nah. I'm assuming he'd pass the physical.
</freerepublicconservative>

42 posted on 01/01/2006 3:45:36 AM PST by Watery Tart (Babe Ruth is dead. Throw strikes.)
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To: Anti-Bubba182

"Authors Bio: Steven Leser is a freelance journalist specializing in Politics, Science & Health, and Entertainment topics"

Three inexact disciplines and the fourth a waste of everybody's time.


43 posted on 01/01/2006 3:53:49 AM PST by RoadTest (Religion never saved a soul - that's Jesus' job.)
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To: Paladin2
I believe you're right on the mark Paladin2.

Since that pesky Freedom of Speech thing prevents them from actually silencing the bloggers, the next best thing is to discredit them with lies and distortions.

It's a standard political tactic. One perfected by the liberal.

Freeper Starbase has assembled a list of propaganda techniques you might find interesting. You'll find each one used with abandon by the media (and other leftists) on a daily basis.
44 posted on 01/01/2006 3:53:54 AM PST by Dr.Zoidberg (Whats with the Marquis of Queensbury Rules bullsh*t, we fight for our very survival! Fight Dirty!)
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To: Watery Tart
In any case, the Republican electorate is virulently anti-Islam and that is a shame. Most practitioners of Islam that I have had the pleasure to know are wonderful, law abiding and hard working people.

Since 9-11 I have been hoping in vain for someone to show me one single aspect of Islam that doesn't totally disgust me.

From what I have seen, there are only three types of Muslims -- murderous Islamist fascists, enablers of murderous Islamist fascists, and lapsed Muslims.

Perhaps the author of this screed hangs around with the latter group. In any event, we need a lot more of those types.

It is certainly possible to hope for democracy in Iraq and still believe that Islam at its core is an evil doctrine. That doesn't mean there aren't good people also who were born into Islam and nominally practice it because of peer and family pressure.

45 posted on 01/01/2006 3:56:09 AM PST by Maceman (Fake but accurate -- and now double-sourced)
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To: GodBlessRonaldReagan

I've seen it quite a bit, it's a good pic.


46 posted on 01/01/2006 4:00:22 AM PST by thoughtomator (How to recognize the enemy: he says "peace" and means something entirely different)
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To: CzarNicky
I favor freedom for the middle east so that they may eventually leave the swamp that is islam. That evil cult has had a stranglehold there for 14 centuries too many it is time it had some competition and eventually some brave souls will see that there is life beyond the pedophile profit's (pigs be upon him) death cult.

YES!! I think people ALL OVER this world can come to this conclusion, once they're LET OFF THE PLANTATION to see what's really available to them out there. And the Democrat water-carriers KoolAid drinkers don't want to let this happen

47 posted on 01/01/2006 4:05:47 AM PST by Watery Tart (Forgive me, I have the world's slowest connection tonite.)
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To: Watery Tart

[most remembered for establishing a radical Islamic Republic in Iraq.]

Do any of the liberal left realize that Arab nations are Islamic and Islamic nations kill all people, subjugate women, dispise all free nations and have the intent to destroy them..
The liberal left elitists
"Always learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth".


48 posted on 01/01/2006 4:06:14 AM PST by kindred (Lord,thou art God, which hast made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and all that in them is:)
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To: chemicalman
He's just pissed because he keeps getting zotted here.

Yeah, that, and his mom keeps yelling down the basement stairs because he keeps getting one side of the keyboard all orange....

49 posted on 01/01/2006 4:08:57 AM PST by Watery Tart (Forgive me, I have the world's slowest connection tonite.)
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To: tkathy
The ACTIONS of Islam are diametrically opposed to the WORDS of Islam.

The left is childish and naive enough to take people at their word.

Iraq must yet prove itself as well as the entire world of Islam.

I belive their "good guys" should have said a little more after the recent elections about how good life is here, etc., IMO.

It actually should have been since 9/11, but we'll take all the good PR they can give--like Betty did.


50 posted on 01/01/2006 4:20:08 AM PST by Watery Tart (Forgive me, I have the world's slowest connection tonite.)
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