When words are not enough...
Posted on 01/06/2006 1:33:31 PM PST by F14 Pilot
Thomas Friedman's article, "A shah with a turban" (Views, Dec. 24), poignantly illustrated the rift between Iran's clerical dictatorship and the country's population, especially the youth. However, an inappropriate headline and cartoon by Kal undermined what was informative and valuable in his article.
The implication that the shah's reign bears any resemblance to the present regime is inaccurate. Under the late Mohammad Reza Pahlavi, Iranians enjoyed incomparably better lives than what they have to endure today; moreover, the prospect for a stable Middle East appeared promising.
Jews and other religious minorities thrived and prospered under the shah, who promoted religious freedom and tolerance. During World War II, Iran assisted many Jews fleeing the Nazis by issuing them Iranian travel documents, a policy that was continued for Middle Eastern Jews expelled from their respective countries.
Farah Pahlavi, New York
(Excerpt) Read more at iht.com ...
When words are not enough...
thanks for the links, Pilot.
I've done no such thing! F14, your repetitive slander makes you a liar. The actual history of Iran, the history you so casually whitewash, the history that has brought Iranians and Americans to this undesirable place in relations is what you have a problem with. You are a distracter. You are a fabricator. I had estimated an improvement in your character but I was wrong. You have no honor, none whatsoever.
It is an honor to hear this from an MEK supporter
Thanks!
What you see? What you see are conspiracies against your perception of history. But let's step back for a moment. Why does anyone study history? Why would they take the time to look at it, read the words, and glean the lessons? The answer is of course to develop context for what is happening now. Your content is utterly devoid of both context and contemporary relevance. Have you ever wondered why your ilk hits so many road blocks… no it is not the conspiracies so deep and wide that you imagine are against you, those exist only in your head. It’s because of what you can’t see, or rather, are unwilling to see. Your words indicate you're nearly blind.
Again... more lies and slander. You author fiction at the expense of all that you claim to represent. You are nothing but a tool for a deposed despot. That’s nothing to do with my politics. One need not be a supporter of the MEK to see this sad fact. These alms to an Iranian monarchy that fell 26 years ago are shear fantasy. It’s a circus F14 and this behavior is ultimately dangerous. The Iranian regime is playing with big guns these days and you want to sit there and misguide Americans by filling this thread with tall tales about how perfect things were under the Shah. There are some serious maneuvers underway to attack Iran, right now. Presumably you have some capacity to formulate an opinion on this subject instead of trying to rewrite history. Get to work, or get out of the way.
Like I said, do not support FTOs! (Foreign terrorist organizations)
Btw, I do not let you talk like that about our monarchy!
You have no authority to talk about Iran and the future of it since you are not even an Iranian. All you can do is to keep on day dreaming about MEK terrorists invading Iran and set up a puppet to serve your interests.
Over & Out!
LOL.
I said I saw a whitewashing of MEK and I'm not the only one that independently saw the same thing. We aren't all "blind".
And let's not forget, you burst on the scene here at FR full of pro-MEK ammunition ready to defend any attacks against the terrorist group. And what about your long lost friend who also burst on the scene full of MEK propaganda, but was banned way back then after only a short time?
Yes, you have some nice historical/pro-American pieces on your blog. Thank you.
LOL. I'm still laughing at your reply. I may have to borrow a line or 2. Maybe there's a tagline in there.
What's the most powerful authority on earth? No, it's not the king of the Iranian empire of your dreams... A citizen with the freedom to speak their mind is the most powerful authority on earth. The "truth" is the only real ammunition any person has and I’ve been hording truths for years. Iran is a favorite subject of mine because of the imminent threat the Iranian regime poses to my country. The Iranian threat will come to an end one day and until that day comes, I will do my utmost to hasten its departure. As much as you may want to strip me of my God given authority to speak freely, you cannot. I will continue my pursuit of a world where the rites that I enjoy as an American are available to all humanity. That includes Iranians. My pursuit includes you too F14. You have a rite to lie about the history of your nation. You even have the rite to slander me. There can be no law passed that prevents you from spewing the garbage you post to me. However, it serves you no purpose other than to let you wallow in your own fantasies. I’m afraid the stakes are too high for you to continue hitting the snooze button unchecked. Once you’ve awoken from your dysfunctional attempts to shut me up, please know that in my humility and in recognition of the scars you and your countrymen bear, I’ll be the first to bring you a fresh cup of coffee or tea, at your preference.
My blog has plenty of ammunition that could be used against the MEK. You’re welcome to use it for that if you wish. When it comes to my research on the MEK, I’ve cataloged an old NCRI platform in order to check it against the one they have now. I've also cataloged a few old interviews that I've found. Again, I have not made any opinion about this material and there are plenty of things within them that I disagree with. But that's not the issue. The issue is that the mere existence of this material on my blog makes you assert that it is a pro-MEK blog. It most certainly is not a pro-MEK blog! It is not an anti-Monarchy blog either. It is simply an informal accumulation of documents to facilitate my musings on different topics. Your perception of my bias is yours and yours alone. The fact that others agree with you is no indication of correctness. In fact it only demonstrates the flaw propagates throughout your consensus body.
Erase the flaw by challenging the assertions therein, not me! Calling me names is like shouting at the moon… I enjoy engaging people who disagree. Either they’ll pull their hair out in frustration or we will begin the long march toward a RESOLUTION together. I hope said RESOLUTION comes before war. No one wants an all out war with Iran. I certainly do not.
"Your perception of my bias is yours and yours alone. The fact that others agree with you is no indication of correctness."
Hmmm.... must not be my perception alone then since others agree.
"the mere existence of this material on my blog makes you assert that it is a pro-MEK blog."
No. I never said that. I said I saw "a load of whitewashing of MEK".
How come you catalog pro-MEK stuff only? Have you bothered to catalog statements by the U.S. government and our military and advisers that are anti-MEK? Since you haven't directed me toward a link on your blog to those articles, I'll have to assume you haven't posted any. I'd say that's evidence of a bias on your part.
You may have information on your blog that can be used against MEK, that's pretty meaningless. You have yet to condemn them yourself or use your information to challenge the MEK's actions, beliefs, etc.
Calling you names? What names?
Remember this...?.." no it is not the conspiracies so deep and wide that you imagine are against you, those exist only in your head."
Apparently, things exist only in Your head.
"It’s because of what you can’t see, or rather, are unwilling to see. Your words indicate you're nearly blind."
Maybe that describes you with regard to MEK.
I told you, you are an MEK speaker/Advocate in a wrong place!
I let you be happy with your MEK friends. may they make your dreams come true!
If I were you, I wouldnt be wasting my time with Marxist believers
They are any thing but wise!
Are you looking for direction? I'm in possession of a surplus and would be glad to donate to your cause.
There is much work to do and the freest Iranians, Iranian Americans, bear much of the responsibility to facilitate the changes that will turn Iran into a stable ally of the United States. Your posts to me are a clear indication that your priorities are not what they need to be to do the job. In fact, I'd say your priorities are counter productive...
F14, you are a liar. That is not an accurate representation of my posts and you have degraded yourself to the lowest of the low. You have no honor or self respect. Your lies have disconnected you from reality and made you impotent in the face of the simplest of challenges, like political discourse. Whatever was done that has made you so foul a person, I sincerely hope can be undone. Maybe it is wishful thinking, but I still hold out the possibility that you will eventually stop your slander and lies.
nonesense from an FTO supporter and advocate!
Do not correspond with me any more. I have nothing to do with MEK and their speakers
I hate them more than Mullahs!
Over & Out!
Cute, but once again, you were given the opportunity to denounce MEK, and didn't. As long as you continue to defend a terrorist group, your kind of help isn't needed.
"Your posts to me are a clear indication" that you prefer to remain loyal to MEK philosophy, over denouncing who and what they are. The Rajavis are dangerous and run a muslim militaristic cult with communist roots, that has been seeking to take over the leadership of Iran for about 40yrs. Here is their flag :
Why don't you post their flag on your blog for all to see? Afraid it might scare people? Maybe you should get back to your friends at NCRI and suggest that they develop a new, less communist-looking flag. This one clearly gains no empathy for "the cause" from anyone except perhaps from those with a communist "ilk". Though I suppose inventing a new flag is just trying to put lipstick on a pig, since everyone can see the old flag that they've saluted all these years. (maybe the pig reference was a bit insensitive since the Rajavis are running a muslim cult)
Anyone trying to whitewash or push the cause of the MEK/Rajavis, which is to take over the government in Iran themselves, is NO help in the struggle for a DEMOCRATIC Iran.
I've mentioned that I'm not pro-MEK. The issue at hand is that a true denial of the MEK would require analysis of what and who they are. You’re not even willing to do that with your own politics so it's absurd and counterproductive to engage in echoing your vague denials of the MEK. In this forum the MEK is your tool to distract from your own political shortcomings. The Iranian regime does the same thing with Israel, the U.S. and the MEK. As far as I'm aware, there are no MEK supporters who post on FR. Adding your lies to F14s does not make me a supporter of the MEK. If you’re interested in constitutional monarchy, FINE, describe it in detail. That would be a fruitful conversation. If you’re interested in a good Iranian economy, FINE, that would be a fruitful conversation. If you’re interested in discussing Iran today, FINE, that would be a fruitful conversation. But those take work… you’ll have to think. Stomping your feet and waving your fists in the air about the MEK is a thoughtless waste of time.
My favorite part of your post is the suggestion that the MEKs flag be changed to look less communist. Is that how you determine friend from foe? Political analysis is not conducted by measuring stylistic similarities! Analysis is done by measuring political similarities and differences. If you’re an American, your enemies try to prevent freedom of speech, freedom of assembly, freedom to travel. It is clear F14 would like to become my enemy but has no power to do so. Americans are impervious to despotic tendencies, even from other Americans. So I ask you, how should anyone take you seriously when you talk about a Democratic Iran, when you sit by and let F14 tell me I have no rite to talk about Iran? If you believe I have no rite to talk about Iran then you do not subscribe to the principals of democracy. It’s clear you’re both despotic and therefore anti-democracy!
"a true denial of the MEK would require analysis of what and who they are. "
I have done that. You apparently have not.
Your first posts here on FR were all sympathetic defenses of MEK. You wrote them, You posted the pro-MEK articles to counter the anti-MEK articles posted by me and others. You chose to defend the MEK.
Now you want me and everyone else to dismiss your past actions and accept that you're not Pro-MEK. "So I ask you, how should anyone take you seriously?"
" As far as I'm aware, there are no MEK supporters who post on FR."
There have been. They do show up. They are usually quickly banned.
I am not interested in a constitutional monarchy, that is up to Iranian people to decide.
The comment I made about changing the flag was sarcasm. Sorry you missed it.
I have no control over what another poster may say.
You and the other posters have every right to say what you want. This forum has the perogative of deleting posts or banning those posters whose comments it finds undesireable or contrary to the rules of the forum.
I'm afraid your humint handle is identified with the pro-MEK posts you made from the beginning and will continue to provoke antagonism from others. Your words have caused the feelings of mistrust that others have.
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