Murtha's War Hero Status Called Into Question

cnsnews.com ^ | 1/13/05 | By Marc Morano and Randy Hall

[mickie]

Jack Murtha has plenty of problems.

Back in June'05 his ties to the lobbying firm of KSA Consulting (his brother Kit is a senior partner, along with Carmen V. Scialabba, who worked 27 years for Rep. Murtha) prompted criticism from Keith Ashdown of Taxpayers for Common Sense.

An article titled "Lobbyist's Brother Guilded House Bill" was printed in the LA Times. It stated that KSA received $20.8 million from the bill that Murtha pushed thru the House.

Funny how Rep. Murtha just happened to start bashing Bush and the war, about the same time.
Maybe he wanted to divert attention away from his curious action with the lobbyist group........he can now say that any investigation is payback.

I say lets clean house.....get rid of all the crooks.

[68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub]

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1558666/posts?page=411#411

[68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub]

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1558666/posts?page=414#414

[68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub]

Stolen Valor Act of 2005 (Introduced in House)
HR 3352 IH

109th CONGRESS

1st Session

H. R. 3352

To amend title 18, United States Code, with respect to protections for the Medal of Honor, and for other purposes.

IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

July 19, 2005

Mr. SALAZAR introduced the following bill; which was referred to the Committee on the Judiciary

A BILL

To amend title 18, United States Code, with respect to protections for the Medal of Honor, and for other purposes.

Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,

SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.

This Act may be cited as the `Stolen Valor Act of 2005'.

SEC. 2. FINDINGS.

Congress finds that--

(1) fraudulent claims surrounding receipt of the Medal of Honor, the Distinguished-Service Cross, the Air Force Cross, the Navy Cross, the Purple Heart, or any other medal or decoration awarded by Congress or the armed forces damage the reputation and meaning of these medals;

(2) Federal law enforcement officers are currently limited in their ability to prosecute fraudulent claims of receipt of military medals; and

(3) changes to the current statute are necessary to allow law enforcement personnel to protect the reputation and meaning of these medals.

SEC. 3. MILITARY MEDAL PROTECTIONS.

Section 704 of title 18, United States Code, is amended--

(1) in subsection (a)--

(A) by inserting `purchases, attempts to purchase, solicits for purchase, mails, ships, imports, exports, produces blank certificates of receipt,' after `wears'; and

(B) by inserting `attempts to sell, advertises for sale, trades, barters or exchanges for anything of value' after `sells';

(2) in subsection (b)(1), by inserting `or (b)' after `subsection (a)'

(3) by redesignating subsection (b) as subsection (c);

(4) by inserting after subsection (a) the following:

`(b) False Claims About Receipt of Military Medals- Whoever falsely represents himself or herself, verbally or in writing, to have been awarded any decoration or medal authorized by Congress for the armed forces of the United States, or any of the service medals or badges awarded to the members of such forces, or the ribbon, button, or rosette of any such badge, decoration or medal, or any colorable imitation thereof shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than six months, or both.'; and

(5) by adding at the end the following:

`(d) Other Medals- If a decoration or medal involved in an offense under subsection (a) or (b) is a Distinguished Service Cross awarded under Section 3742 of title 10, an Air Force Cross awarded under section 8742 of section 10, a Navy cross awarded under section 6242 of title 10, a silver star awarded under section 3746, 6244, or 8746 of title 10, or a Purple Heart awarded under section 1129 of title 10, or any replacement or duplicate medal as authorized by statute, in lieu of the punishment provided in that subsection, the offender shall be fined under this title, imprisoned not more than 1 year, or both.'.

1 posted on 01/18/2006 8:24:40 PM PST by Calpernia

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1560750/posts

[Calpernia]

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1560750/posts
Stolen Valor Act of 2005

[68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub]

`(b) False Claims About Receipt of Military Medals- Whoever falsely represents himself or herself, verbally or in writing, to have been awarded any decoration or medal authorized by Congress for the armed forces of the United States, or any of the service medals or badges awarded to the members of such forces, or the ribbon, button, or rosette of any such badge, decoration or medal, or any colorable imitation thereof shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than six months, or both.'; and

(5) by adding at the end the following:

`(d) Other Medals- If a decoration or medal involved in an offense under subsection (a) or (b) is a Distinguished Service Cross awarded under Section 3742 of title 10, an Air Force Cross awarded under section 8742 of section 10, a Navy cross awarded under section 6242 of title 10, a silver star awarded under section 3746, 6244, or 8746 of title 10, or a Purple Heart awarded under section 1129 of title 10, or any replacement or duplicate medal as authorized by statute, in lieu of the punishment provided in that subsection, the offender shall be fined under this title, imprisoned not more than 1 year, or both.

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THIS is something that hanoi kerry can't get out of!

The Swift Boat Vets, proved, without any doubt,
to any logical, reasoning person,
that hanoi kerry's 1st Purple Heart is a fraud.

Now that Republicans AND Democrats are behind this bill
and since the GOP has control of both houses in Congress
hanoi kerry has finally been caught.

"the offender shall be fined under this title,
imprisoned not more than 1 year, or both."

Their is nothing about IF the fraud was committed before this bill.

IF hanoi kerry does not renounce his 1st Purple Heart
(and his 2nd and 3rd)
he's guilty of fraud and gets to go to jail.

37 posted on 01/18/2006 8:57:58 PM PST by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (Have you said Thank You to a Service Man or Woman today?)

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1560750/posts?page=37#37

[Mr. Silverback]

Guess you don't like that I don't and never will contribute one dime to the GOP.

I asked you--courteously--to provide evidence that your plan of action will work. Your response is to accuse me of being a party shill. You accuse me and many other good Americans of treasonous conduct, and the only reason you can think of that I would call that shameful is that I'm a party shill. Still examining that bark rather closely, eh? You've got nothing and so you slander a fellow vet.

You are the one who can't admit that if was not for men like John O'Neill and Zell Miller that you would be saying president hanoi kerry

1. That's either a lie or such a grievous error that it zotted the last tatters of your credibility. I have given the Swiftees credit on this board numerous times, and you know it! Either that or you're so busy looking down your nose at everybody who doesn't want get saved by the Gospel According to Tonk that you've mistaken me for somebody else.

2. Even if that were true and I didn't give the Siftees their due, what would that have to do with whether your silly plan to "get" Kerry will actually work? At first I thought you were just short on logic skills (like when you turn "Kerry got 48% of the vote" into "The Swiftees didn't help") but now I see that you can't back any of it up, you can't even get the Constitutional law on it straight, so you slander fellow vets! John Kerry would be laughing his poodle butt off at you if he read this thread.

I said you were a better man than this.

I was wrong.

[Mr. Silverback]

Kerry Positioning himself for 2008

Yeah. So's Dennis Kucinich. Take your boogeyman story elsewhere.

[68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub]

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1557630/posts?page=586#586

Your chance to get onboard, plain and simple

[68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub]

"Take your boogeyman story elsewhere."

It's not my story.

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Kerry Positioning himself for 2008
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,180361,00.html

Jerome R. Corsi and Scott Swett

Read about it in John Kerry and the VVAW: Hanoi's American Puppets?

by Dr. Jerome Corsi (FReeper jrlc)
and Scott Swett (FReeper Interesting Times)

http://ice.he.net/~freepnet/kerry/staticpages/index.php?page=puppets

http://ice.he.net/~freepnet/kerry/index.php

[68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub]

Is there a valid reason why you ignore other posters
to you and instead "lock on" to me.

Have you evem bothered to read the post by river rat
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1557630/posts?page=320#320

[Mr. Silverback]

*SIGH*

You didn't read the whole conversation between me and Tonk, did you?

Or do you really think it's appropriate for him to portray me and other people on this board as traitors to the Republic when we disagree with him on a tactical course?

I've put in the hours on cold flightlines and hot streetcorners. I sure deserve better than that.

[Mr. Silverback]

It's not my story.

My point was that if you're trying to scare me with the possibility that Kerry might become Prez, you should tell your story walkin', because:

1. He ain't getting nominated.

2. The Swiftees will torpedo his butt again.

Like I said, Kucinich is prepping for '08 as well.

[Mr. Silverback]

Is there a valid reason why you ignore other posters to you and instead "lock on" to me.

Did you notice how in that post river rat honored the fallen and did so without accusing his fellow Freepers (especially those of us who are vets) of treason? If you were doing that, you and I would not be having this conversation, and you would not be throwing years of goodwill away on a vendetta against fellow Freepers.

River rat has not been abusive and slanderous. You have.

River rat, I honor your service, and I am not asking you to "move on." I am pinging you to this reply out of courtesy, I am not attempting to drag you into this personal issue between me and Tonk. And don't you worry, I'm not forgetting about the names on the Wall either. God Bless.

[68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub]

"Did you notice how in that post river rat honored the fallen and did so without accusing his fellow Freepers (especially those of us who are vets) of treason?"

The EXACT post where I said you were guilty of treason?

Now answer why you choose not to answer the other posters, on this thread, who have posted replies to you.

And are you onboard on this new way to keep
hanoi kerry out of office in '06 or not.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1560750/posts?page=37#37

Yes Or No, Plain and Simple

[68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub]

I VOW to the 58,000 + Brothers and Sisters on
The Viet Nam Wall who never came home
and to those who died at home from injuries and
from broken hearts.

"I will do everything I LEGALLY can
to expose Hanoi Kerry once and for all.

I will not tire, I will not falter,
and I will not fail.

I solemnly vow to do all I can to restore your honor
until I give my last breath on earth."

http://www.freerepublic.com/~6869tonkingulfyachtc/

[JCEccles]

OK, Republicans... Just don't cry about these tactics when you're back in the minority.

Why would Republicans have any desire or need to protect a Republican member of Congress if that member of Congress were using a fraudulent war record to enhance his credibility?

This Republican would be way out ahead of the Democrats in seeking to have the bum thrown out.

Forums such as this one are exactly where Murtha's war record should be scrutinized.

[river rat]

We are a small community...here at FreeRepublic..
We share many similar goals, but obviously disagree on tactics and often even disagree on which fights we should engage.
This is normal, since we all arrived here by a different path, with different experiences.
There are enough enemies to engage, that we needn't weaken ourselves by fighting each other..

No doubt - many of us have unresolved issues and reasons to despise the Kerry/Fonda/Murtha types very deeply. At times some might consider our hatred and desire for vengeance as irrational and unhealthy.. We're told we should "move on"...or "get beyond the past and leave it in the past"....
I for one, would love to --- but some of us haven't been successful. This is a fight that some of us MUST fight.

We can't pretend that our lost brothers are not still watching and waiting for vindication.. Waiting to have the doubt cast on their honor by that lying sonuvabitch Kerry -- removed and their honor restored without question or doubt, by even the most radical opposition to that war. And, challenging ANYONE that resorts to "Stolen Valor" to diminish the valor of those that truly earned it.

To further his career, Kerry branded our fallen brothers as "war criminals" -- and no one has SUFFICIENTLY called him to task for that act... In fact, America has rewarded him far beyond his worth or integrity....in violation of my uneducated reading of the Constitution.

Actually, I think Tonk's ambition to have Kerry removed from the Senate is an impossible dream -- which doesn't go far enough for me...
I for one, have learned the hard way, that congress critters can not be trusted to do the right thing..
They are far more interested in doing the politically expedient and rewarding thing for themselves......

Personally, I'd rather dream of Kerry being convicted of treason and hung before our Wall until the rats have picked his bones clean.. This would come close to satisfying me -- If I could spring the trap door...

You two need to agree to disagree on some points and accept each other as brothers with a difference of opinion - and no more than that.....

Semper Fi

[freema]

Pinging tonk to be etiquettely correct.

"You didn't read the whole conversation between me and Tonk, did you?"

How could I help but read it? This thread is 'Murtha's War Hero Status Called into Question', you don't think it matters, and you're still here arguing "It can't be won!".

"Or do you really think it's appropriate for him to portray me and other people on this board as traitors to the Republic when we disagree with him on a tactical course?"

I don't think it's appropriate of you or anyone else to put words in Tonk's mouth. I don't know where on God's green earth the word traitor came from. Oh, wait, my bad. Yes I do.

"I've put in the hours on cold flightlines and hot streetcorners. I sure deserve better than that."

Those are your words, but I could just as easily see where they could have been written by Kerry or Murtha.

That said, I deeply appreciate your service, and thank you for it.

If you want to move on and focus on what Murtha is doing today, please do so. Please ping me with an after action report.

[freema]

I VOW to the 58,000 + Brothers and Sisters on
The Viet Nam Wall who never came home
and to those who died at home from injuries and
from broken hearts and to the Sons and Daughters of this generation.

"I will do everything I LEGALLY can
to expose Hanoi Kerry once and for all.

I will not tire, I will not falter,
and I will not fail.
Peace and Freedom will prevail.

I solemnly vow to do all I can to restore and uphold your honor until I give my last breath on earth."