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Mexican military incursions reported
The Washington Times ^ | January 17, 2006 | Jerry Seper

Posted on 01/17/2006 12:23:17 AM PST by neverdem

    The U.S. Border Patrol has warned agents in Arizona of incursions into the United States by Mexican soldiers "trained to escape, evade and counterambush" if detected -- a scenario Mexico denied yesterday.


    The warning to Border Patrol agents in Tucson, Ariz., comes after increased sightings of what authorities described as heavily armed Mexican military units on the U.S. side of the border. The warning asks the agents to report the size, activity, location, time and equipment of any units observed.


    It also cautions agents to keep "a low profile," to use "cover and concealment" in approaching the Mexican units, to employ "shadows and camouflage" to conceal themselves and to "stay as quiet as possible."


    Border Patrol spokesman Salvador Zamora confirmed that a "military incursion" warning was given to Tucson agents, but said it was designed to inform them how to react to any sightings of military and foreign police in this country and how to properly document any incursion.


    Mr. Zamora added that although incursions by the Mexican military do occur, they usually have taken place in areas of the border "not marked by monuments or signs." He said U.S. military units also have crossed mistakenly into Mexico.


    But Rafael Laveaga, spokesman for the Mexican Embassy in Washington, denied that Mexican military personnel are crossing into the United States.


    "I strongly deny any incursions by the Mexican military as inaccurate allegations," Mr. Laveaga said. "The Mexican military is a well-respected institution with strict rules on how to control Northern Mexico. It maintains a protocol of not going within a mile of the border, and those who would trespass would be severely punished."


    Mr. Laveaga said some drug smugglers headed "both north and south" wear uniforms and drive military-type vehicles, and might have "confused"...

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Arizona; US: California; US: District of Columbia; US: New Mexico; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: aliens; immigrantlist; mexicantroops; politicallycorrect; warondrugs; wod
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To: neverdem
we need a punative expedition. Where is Black Jack Pershing now that we need him?
21 posted on 01/17/2006 4:04:43 AM PST by Vaquero ("An armed society is a polite society" Robert Heinlein)
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To: Solamente
We dont need no stinking badges.......
22 posted on 01/17/2006 4:06:10 AM PST by Vaquero ("An armed society is a polite society" Robert Heinlein)
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To: neverdem

Hmmm. Spose the Mexigovernment is meaning to establish soveriegnty over some land north of the border. If they increase the number, extent, and personnel and go unchallenged, Mexico may just put itself in position of owning some currently US real estate after awhile.


23 posted on 01/17/2006 5:15:22 AM PST by ThanhPhero (di hanh huong den La Vang)
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To: bybybill

Given the recent addition to Homeland Security of one Jackboot John Magaw, you should ask yourself, who does the administration plan to burn alive in their homes?

Hint: It won't be Mexican invaders.


24 posted on 01/17/2006 6:41:22 AM PST by the gillman@blacklagoon.com
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To: Vaquero

"Borders! We don' need no Steenkin' borders!"

25 posted on 01/17/2006 6:44:15 AM PST by OB1kNOb (Those who seek to punish the truth, are the ones most convicted by it.)
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To: Johnnyboy2000

Kick them out and the Toyoda they rode in on.


26 posted on 01/17/2006 7:30:27 AM PST by R.W.Ratikal
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To: King Prout; HiJinx; gubamyster


U.S. Constitution Article 4 Section 4:

"The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government,

and shall protect each of them against Invasion;"


Invasion: \In*va"sion\, n. [L. invasio: cf. F. invasion. See Invade.] [1913 Webster]

1. The act of invading; the act of encroaching upon the rights or possessions of another; encroachment; trespass.


27 posted on 01/17/2006 7:37:30 AM PST by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: neverdem
Mr. Zamora added that although incursions by the Mexican military do occur, they usually have taken place in areas of the border "not marked by monuments or signs."

It's stunning that this is the state of our border in time of war, 4 years after 9-11.

28 posted on 01/17/2006 7:39:24 AM PST by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: neverdem

Sounds like an iffy story, actually. What would be the logic of "Mexican military incursions?" There's nothing to be gained from them.


29 posted on 01/17/2006 7:40:42 AM PST by r9etb
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To: neverdem
and those who would trespass would be severely punished."

Should work both ways, now shouldn't it?

30 posted on 01/17/2006 7:43:21 AM PST by Eagle Eye (There ought to be a law against excess legislation.)
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To: Marine Inspector
The Mexican military is actively involved in running drugs and people.

I can see units being bought off. But it's rather difficult to see this being done as a policy of the Mexican government.

31 posted on 01/17/2006 7:43:24 AM PST by r9etb
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To: r9etb

Just to see if they can.

I had good info that there *used to be* evidence of Russian military excursions on Alaskan shores.

And I personally know of an incident on the East German border where a patrol got a bit misoriented in some heavy brush and emerged on the wrong side of the markers. But that was an accident.


32 posted on 01/17/2006 7:47:14 AM PST by Eagle Eye (There ought to be a law against excess legislation.)
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To: Eagle Eye
Just to see if they can.

Perhaps, but I rather doubt it. There are better explanations than it being an official policy of the Mexican government. For example, it's easy to imagine poorly-paid Mexican soldiers being bought off by a very wealthy drug or people smuggler.

I had good info that there *used to be* evidence of Russian military excursions on Alaskan shores.

Sure ... in the context of the Cold War. We're not in a cold war with Mexico, though. The illegal immigration problem is a result of other factors, primarily domestic, on both sides of the border.

33 posted on 01/17/2006 7:51:19 AM PST by r9etb
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To: Marine Inspector; bybybill; HiJinx; SandRat; gubamyster
The Mexican military is actively involved in running drugs and people.

This is consistent with what I was told by a border patrolman, whom I saw as a patient a couple of weeks ago.

I also understand we have a huge "hole" in the fence, along the "sovereign" Tohono O'odom Reservation, where a nice chunk of the drug/human running occurs, courtesy of the tribal government.

34 posted on 01/17/2006 8:03:12 AM PST by kstewskis ("Political correctness is intellectual terrorism..." Mel Gibson)
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To: r9etb

Is there any reason to believe that the Mexican government isn't bought and paid for by drug cartels?

Allowing for that possibility, then having the Mexican military running operations across the border doesn't sound outrageous.


35 posted on 01/17/2006 8:05:22 AM PST by Eagle Eye (There ought to be a law against excess legislation.)
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To: r9etb
But it's rather difficult to see this being done as a policy of the Mexican government.

Then check your reading glasses...

The tunnel is across the border from an area that is either owned or leased by Mexican Customs.

36 posted on 01/17/2006 8:11:53 AM PST by kstewskis ("Political correctness is intellectual terrorism..." Mel Gibson)
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To: r9etb
Sounds like an iffy story, actually. What would be the logic of "Mexican military incursions?" There's nothing to be gained from them.

Have you been on another planet? Mexican police and military units actively support drug and alien smuggling operations. They provide security, do diversions, and in many cases just plain haul the dope themselves, in uniform, in military vehicles, knowing full well that the USBP has been ordered to run from them and never ever ever challenge them.

37 posted on 01/17/2006 8:14:17 AM PST by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: Americanwolf

"This is occuring in "my backyard" It is a bit unnerving to say the least. "

I know where you can pick up a used German 37mm antitank gun. It's WWII vintage but works great! You have to machine your own shells though.


38 posted on 01/17/2006 8:29:28 AM PST by dljordan
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To: nathanbedford

My great-great and his son were in the 10th Tennessee under Gen. Forrest.


39 posted on 01/17/2006 8:30:30 AM PST by dljordan
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To: r9etb

"Sounds like an iffy story, actually. What would be the logic of "Mexican military incursions?" There's nothing to be gained from them"

They're escorting drug and human smugglers.


40 posted on 01/17/2006 8:31:30 AM PST by dljordan
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