'Footprints' Debate To Run And Run (40K YO Human Footprints, Mexico)

BBC ^ | 1-16-2006 | Martin Redfern

[Little Bill]

If I remember correctly Leakey thought that there could have been preclovis settlement in the New World. I was surprised at the thought, he may have been wrong in the details but he was one of the first to suggest that the settlement of NA predated Clovis.

[SunkenCiv]

Professor Mike Waters of Texas A&M University is sceptical. He thinks the marks are products of the quarrying process and subsequent erosion. There are certainly some marks at the site that are very obviously due to that and seem much fresher - pick marks and tracks from mechanical diggers.

Next up, we have a professor who claims that some dead guy from California faked the tracks using big rubber feet. ;') Will ping when I get home.

[SunkenCiv]

Louis Leakey (the old, dead guy) caught hell for talking about greater antiquity than the (at that time) dogma of 3000 years (IOW, the blind belief back then was that humans had entered the Americas no more than 3000 years ago). This was before Clovis entered the picture. He based that on the number of major civs found around the two continents, the number of language families, etc. Since that time, Clovis-First-and-Only replaced the 3000 year limit.

[Coyoteman]

Louis Leakey (the old, dead guy) caught hell for talking about greater antiquity than the (at that time) dogma of 3000 years (IOW, the blind belief back then was that humans had entered the Americas no more than 3000 years ago). This was before Clovis entered the picture. He based that on the number of major civs found around the two continents, the number of language families, etc. Since that time, Clovis-First-and-Only replaced the 3000 year limit.

You might want to research this one a little more. I think the western US had radiocarbon dates far older than 3,000 years at the time Leakey made his pronouncements.

[SunkenCiv]

Perhaps you're right, but I don't think so. Radiocarbon dating (that began post WWII) is what got Clovis dates accepted; Leakey's visit was circa 1930.

[Coyoteman]

Perhaps you're right, but I don't think so. Radiocarbon dating (that began post WWII) is what got Clovis dates accepted; Leakey's visit was circa 1930.

Leakey didn't do Calico until the late 1960s. Calico didn't even start up until 1964. There were radiocarbon dates in the western US much older, at that point, than 3,000 years.

Source

[AndrewC]

and a human the size of that woman wearing black pants to the beach captured forever.

Do you mean this "woman"?

"Her" name is Jon, by the way.

[SunkenCiv]

I didn't say it had anything to do with Calico. It happened when Leakey was lecturing in the US circa 1930. That was twenty years before RC dating. Okay?

[SunkenCiv]

You've been at this a while. Here's an old style topic, related, you posted in 2001.

Study Says Americas Settled 15,000 Years Ago
Source: National Geographic
Published: 8-31-2001 Author: Not stated
Posted on 09/03/2001 06:59:54 PDT by blam
http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3b938cda48c8.htm

[Walkingfeather]

This is not going to turn into a singles add..... " I like walks on the beach bare foot..."

[SunkenCiv]

Ice Age clothing said to be more advanced than previously thought
Source: Euereka Alert
Published: 2 FEBRUARY 2000 (2 FEBRUARY 2000 GMT) Author: Andrea Lynn, Humanities/Social Sciences Editor
Posted on 02/02/2000 18:01:28 PST by ckilmer
http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3898e1782de5.htm

[SunkenCiv]

Thanks Blam.

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[SunkenCiv]

The First Americans by James M. Adovasio with Jake Page (review)
Athena Review | Vol.3,no.4. | George Wisner
Posted on 01/17/2006 10:40:50 PM PST by SunkenCiv
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1560115/posts

[Dog Gone]

ROFL

[wildbill]

If there were prints of human feet, then the prints would have a consistent pattern of both feet since they would have been traveling through the same ash--unless you posit a tribe of one-legged hoppers that lived in the region 40,000 years ago.

Then we'd have to get into the intelligent design debate.

[Dustbunny]

That gave an age of 1.3 million years, far too old to be compatible with human footprints.

I am still trying to figure out where the get the absolutes on this statement.

[MillerCreek]

It could be, if that is an imprint of a human foot (looks that way to me, and I also note the bulging upward of the area just beneath the toes, which would support the motion pressure of a forwardly walking human), that whoever it was wore some sort of wrap or "bandage" type padding around the arch area of their feet.

If they'd bundled up their feet such that only the toes would push inward, downward, upon a soft ground area such as that was at the time any print could have been made, then only the indentation of their heel and the pressure points from their toes would leave those impressions.

Padding around the whole foot with lesser padding on the toes and more pressure via the toes and heel upon the ground could very well have left such a mark as that.

Particularly, especially, if the human who left the mark, if that is a footprint indentation, was slight in build, which most humans were up until agricultural societies.

[SunkenCiv]

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