Remembering Two Great Americans

EverVigilant.net ^ | 01/19/2006 | Lee R. Shelton IV

[stand watie]

i think most here know how most southrons (as opposed to southerners) feel about "lincoln, the clay-footed, secular saint of DAMNyankeeland".

personally, i've openly said that the "lincoln memorial" should be removed from VA & given to anyplace that will take it. (i've suggested it would make an excellent artificial reef in the Chesapeake Bay. the rock-fish would like his statue, i think.)

free dixie,sw

[stand watie]

oh, really????

free dixie,sw

[exdem2000]

I remember several years ago the Grant Monument in New York was severely neglected. Has that changed?

[linda_22003]

The Lincoln Memorial is not in Virginia and never has been. Feel better, now? :)

[Flavius Josephus]

Got carried away. But many Southrons do feel that way about him. And he wasn't eclipsed by a worse President until Clinton.

[robowombat]

Actually the Lincoln Memorial is in DC. The part of DC that once belonged to Maryland. Are you maybe referring to the Lincoln statue that was put up on the old Tredegar tract in Richmond?

[Flavius Josephus]

I know, I booboo'd.

[Flavius Josephus]

I used to love Grant & Lincoln, but maybe I've been in the south too long. I still think Lincoln started the Big Government, and his fondness for Marx at the time was a big red flag.

[SC33]

I have no real problem with Grant. He greatly respected Lee, and just did what he thought was right. Now Lincoln, that is another story...

[Melas]

When I read the headline I was expect truly great Americans like Ronald Reagan or Abraham Lincoln, not traitors whom history has been far too kind too like Lee and Jackson. What I understand even less is the hardy bunch that clings so tightly to a failed rebellion that was put down at the cost of the blood of patriots. The patriots would have been the boys wearing blue, for those who may otherwise be confused.

[stand watie]

GOOD. i was told by a NPS ranger that it was actually in the portion of VA that was "ceded to the federal government".

fwiw, i'm glad she was wrong. DC is welcome to him, as the DC government is about as corrupt as the lincoln/clinton administrations.

free dixie,sw

[Melas]

And why don't you recognize MLK? Let me guess he's just an uppity ----- in your book. Pathetic what's passing for conservatism these days.

[robowombat]

I'm fascinated with this Lincoln being fond of Marx, or more correctly old electric whiskers writings. What evidence is there of this? The question is posed in serious inquiry not as a polemical put-down.

[linda_22003]

Nope, it's always been over the river, in the District. If you were willing to come this far north you'd see that for yourself.

[Melas]

Amen. What's the pity is that it took 24 posts for the truth to be put out on this forum. Good job.

[SC33]

?When I read the headline I was expect truly great Americans like Ronald Reagan or Abraham Lincoln, not traitors whom history has been far too kind too like Lee and Jackson. What I understand even less is the hardy bunch that clings so tightly to a failed rebellion that was put down at the cost of the blood of patriots. The patriots would have been the boys wearing blue, for those who may otherwise be confused."


You are right. I also feel that history has been far too kind to those "patriots" who rebelled against Great Britain. What I understand even less is the bunch that clings to the rebellion, the one that caused the bloodhed of many patriots. Those patriots, btw., were the British.

[SC33]

Are you a native Virginian? Just curious.

[PzLdr]

No, it wasn't. He was on a 9 mile exterior line. Meade had a 5 mile interior line. By the time Pickett jumped off, Ewell had already had his butt kicked [again], Stuart was in the process of learning [not for the first time since Brandy Station] that the Union Cavalry in general, and George Armstrong Custer in particular could, and would whip his a*s on a battlefield, and A.P Hill was on a walkabout, since his Corps [except for Pettigrew and Trimble] had done nothing since 1 July.

More to the point, no one ever asks the question, what if Pickett broke through? He had the whole Army of the Potomac in front [and on two sides] of him, and NO reinforcements. Seems Marse Robert forgot to plan for a followup - probably because he had nobody else to send in.

Gettysburg is hubris writ large. Not necessarily irrational hubris, but hubris none the less. Lee thought his troops could do anything he willed. They couldn't. After Day 2, he should have packed it in and gone home, or gone on defense.

[linda_22003]

I've only been here half my life, which pretty much puts me in the "illegal alien" category in Virginia. ;-D

[SC33]

lol, are you from the Northeast? I'm not criticizing you, I guess it would just help me understand your position.