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In describing the same events, which person should be believed?
January 27, 2006

Posted on 01/27/2006 12:42:52 PM PST by Dog Gone

Scott Ritter:

"As [Colonel H.R.] McMasters and others know, the vast majority of the "terrorists" killed and detained during the fight for Tall Afar were natives of that town simply fighting to defend their homes... There can be little doubt about what will motivate them for the foreseeable future -- a burning desire to drive out an occupying force, that destroyed their homes and slaughtered their fellow townspeople.

In an effort to win back the "hearts and minds" of the citizens of Tall Afar, Col. McMasters' 3rd Armored Cavalry Regiment participated in a program in mid-November 2005 to distribute blankets to help ward off the cold of the coming winter. This action was reported by the Department of Defense's new "Defend America" website, part of a propaganda effort to feed to the American people the "good news" coming from Iraq. Tell that to the citizens of Tall Afar, who know that a few blankets and repaired schools can't undo the damage done by a brutal occupation run by officers like Col. McMasters who have lost all sense of history or responsibility when it comes to waging war in Iraq."

or the Iraqi mayor of the city of Tall Afar?:

[O]ur city was overrun by heartless terrorists, Zarqawi and his followers, who unloaded their bloodthirsty and voracious action of evil on this city for several months by indiscriminately killing men, women and children. Tall Afar was a human slaughterhouse. Simple services were not possible, causing the people to suffer, till the day you dispatched your troops, who were our lion-hearted saviors. Your troops came to rescue Tall Afar led by our heroes, whom Tall Afar will never forget. After the major operation, your wonderful soldiers started nursing the wounds of this city by rebuilding the damaged lives and buildings with great compassion and speed. These soldiers have done more than their original mission required of them. Thank you from the bottom of our hearts.



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1 posted on 01/27/2006 12:42:54 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: Dog Gone
I sure hope President Bush is keeping minor girls safe by monitoring Scottie's Internet activity.
2 posted on 01/27/2006 12:45:02 PM PST by TexasCajun
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To: Dog Gone

Ritter needs to hook-up with Sheehan and live happily ever after in Ven. sucking on Chavez's toes.


3 posted on 01/27/2006 12:45:35 PM PST by penelopesire
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To: Dog Gone

The key to understanding Scott Ritter is to realize that everything is relative. If you are a partisan extremist on the take, then the other guys' "terrorist" is your "native... simply fighting to defend their homes."


4 posted on 01/27/2006 12:48:24 PM PST by Brilliant
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To: Brilliant

Maybe Scott may want to search some 10 year old girls for weapons.


5 posted on 01/27/2006 12:49:25 PM PST by Semper Paratus
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To: Dog Gone

Scotty *will indeed* get his comeuppance someday. There may not always be justice in this world, but you can't escape it in hte next.


6 posted on 01/27/2006 12:52:41 PM PST by Frank_Discussion (May the wings of Liberty never lose a feather!)
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To: Dog Gone

Scott Ritter is a turd...I'll believe the other guy who speaks from his heart-the Iraqi.


7 posted on 01/27/2006 12:54:02 PM PST by oust the louse
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To: Dog Gone

Who do I believe?
The Mayor.


8 posted on 01/27/2006 12:56:08 PM PST by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: R. Scott

I'm starting to see a consensus here.


9 posted on 01/27/2006 12:57:39 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: Dog Gone

There was a crazy woman on Rush today quoting scott ritter as her source. This pedophile, took sadman's blood money bribe and sold his soul to the devil. When I see him on tv my blood boils. This traitor should be tried, found guilty and shot. I volunteer for the final act. {I'll bring my own gun and ammo}.


10 posted on 01/27/2006 1:30:34 PM PST by USS Alaska (Nuke the terrorist savages - In Honor of Standing Wolf)
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To: Dog Gone
Message for Scott Ritter from Betty Dawisha
11 posted on 01/27/2006 1:35:16 PM PST by ASA Vet (Those who know don't talk, those who talk don't know.)
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To: ASA Vet

Great clip!


12 posted on 01/27/2006 1:40:02 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: Dog Gone
Tell that to the citizens of Tall Afar, who know that a few blankets and repaired schools can't undo the damage done by a brutal occupation run by officers like Col. McMasters who have lost all sense of history or responsibility when it comes to waging war in Iraq."

If I have to choose between Col. McMaster and Scotty-boy, no contest.

McMaster is a fine, courageous officer and a pretty fair historian. Scotty Ritter is, shall we say, truth-challenged. I think Ritter criticising Col. McMaster's sense of history is ridiculous, to say the least.

13 posted on 01/27/2006 1:52:09 PM PST by WarEagle (This is obviously Karl Rove's fault...)
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To: Dog Gone
"...can't undo the damage done by a brutal occupation run by officers like Col. McMasters who have lost all sense of history or responsibility when it comes to waging war in Iraq."

I submit that Col. McMasters knows far more about "history or responsibility when it comes to waging war" than does Ritter.

For one thing, McMasters IS a historian...

Dereliction of Duty: Johnson, McNamara, the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and the Lies That Led to Vietnam, by H.R. McMasters.

This book, perhaps the most important book on the subject of Viet Nam and why it turned out as it did, was McMasters' graduate thesis at UNC-Chapel Hill.

Ritter is an utter fool.

14 posted on 01/27/2006 2:09:34 PM PST by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: Dog Gone

That Scott Ritter has an agenda has been painfully obvious for at least five years. That this mayor would speak well, publicly, of foreign troops in his town is only rational. I'd wait and see, until after our troops leave his town, as far as how genuine this mayor's comments actually are. There's a spin on both sets of comments, in other words. I'd be willing to bet that the first is far more spun than the second, though.


15 posted on 01/27/2006 2:16:40 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: RegulatorCountry

Look at the clip in post 11 and judge for yourself who might be spinning.

You can read the reports of our soldiers, you can read and see (rarely) the reports of the Iraqis, or you can read the reports of the moonbat American left and the Islamic terrorist websites.

If you want to keep an open mind on it until we've left the country because we might be an oppressor occupying army, that's up to you. That's not how I see it.


16 posted on 01/27/2006 2:27:25 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: Dog Gone

"If you want to keep an open mind on it until we've left the country because we might be an oppressor occupying army, that's up to you."

You're reading something into my reply that isn't there.


17 posted on 01/27/2006 2:31:14 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: RegulatorCountry
I'm not sure how else to read this comment:
I'd wait and see, until after our troops leave his town, as far as how genuine this mayor's comments actually are.

You don't know whether he's being honest because American troops are there. That's what you said.

18 posted on 01/27/2006 2:48:36 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: Dog Gone

"You don't know whether he's being honest because American troops are there."

The meaning of the sentence, as far as I am concerned, is that this mayor may be speaking about our presence there in more glowing terms while we're there than he will after we're gone. Foreign troops are often resented, no matter how well treated the native people might be. History bears this out. To try and turn this into saying that I think our troops are oppressors is wrong.


19 posted on 01/27/2006 2:54:50 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: RegulatorCountry

Okay, you have your doubts.

If you can find a similar statement from him made to Zarqawi while his folks were running the show, I'll be convinced.


20 posted on 01/27/2006 3:11:12 PM PST by Dog Gone
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