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Evangelical Filmmakers Criticized for Hiring Gay Actor
NY Times ^ | 2/2/06

Posted on 02/02/2006 7:52:20 AM PST by Mr. Brightside

Evangelical Filmmakers Criticized for Hiring Gay Actor

By NEELA BANERJEE

Published: February 2, 2006

WASHINGTON, Feb. 1 — Christian ministers were enthusiastic at the early private screenings of "End of the Spear," made by Every Tribe Entertainment, an evangelical film company. But days before the film's premiere, a controversy erupted over the casting of a gay actor that has all but eclipsed the movie and revealed fault lines among evangelicals.

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Many evangelicals are concerned that young people inspired by the movie will look up Mr. Allen on the Web and "get exposed to his views on homosexuality, and that would cause some of them to question Biblical views of homosexuality and every other sin," said Will Hall, executive director of BPNews.net, the news service of the Southern Baptist Convention, which has published articles critical of Every Tribe's decisions.

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One Web log, nossobrii.blogspot .com, written by Kevin T. Bauder, president of Central Baptist Seminary in Minneapolis, stated in a Jan. 13 entry: "Granted, we must not overreact. And it would probably be an overreaction to firebomb these men's houses. But what they have done is no mistake. It is a calculated strategy."

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"Has Focus on the Family made a strong statement against homosexuality? Absolutely," he said. "But what is the message of the product? And do we at Focus feel compelled to check on the sexual history of everyone in a movie? Did they have a D.U.I.? Did they pay their taxes?"

Mr. Hanon echoed: "If we start measuring the sin of everyone in a movie, we would never be able to make a picture because none of us would be left."

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it would probably be an overreaction to firebomb these men's houses

Probably? Uh... yeah. Probably, so.

1 posted on 02/02/2006 7:52:21 AM PST by Mr. Brightside
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To: Mr. Brightside

Did the actor use his role to convey or portray something homosexual in the film?


If not, then why in the world would they care?


2 posted on 02/02/2006 7:54:00 AM PST by Petronski (I love Cyborg!)
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To: Petronski

Most kids would never know the actor was gay.... if it wasn't for the Southern Baptists.


3 posted on 02/02/2006 7:55:02 AM PST by Mr. Brightside
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To: Mr. Brightside

The movie is called "End of the Spear"? Hmmmm....interesting bit of irony here.


4 posted on 02/02/2006 7:57:20 AM PST by DeusExMachina05
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To: Mr. Brightside
This film tells a great story, one that needed to be told outside of the church walls. It was never likely to be a big success at the box office, but I am so sad that it hasn't done better, partly because of the response of Christians to Chad Allen.

If you have the opportunity to see it before it leaves the theaters, I highly recommend it. (I review it on my blog -- shameless plug)

5 posted on 02/02/2006 7:59:33 AM PST by Chanticleer (May you be gruntled and combobulated in 2006.)
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To: Mr. Brightside

Bingo, although I wouldn't put it on the Southern Baptists as a group.

A lot of the big email alerts and calls for boycotts are really just publicity campaigns by these organizations, IMO. They use them to generate money by saying, "SEE WHAT WE FOUND! ISN'T IT JUST HORRIBLE? SEND MONEY SO WE CAN DO MORE OF THIS."


6 posted on 02/02/2006 7:59:44 AM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: Mr. Brightside

Much ado about nothing, imho.


7 posted on 02/02/2006 8:00:49 AM PST by SoFloFreeper
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To: Mr. Brightside

How many times is this going to be posted? Are we going for a record or something?


8 posted on 02/02/2006 8:01:11 AM PST by When_Penguins_Attack (Smashing Windows, Breaking down Gates. Proud Mepis User!!!!)
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To: Mr. Brightside

bump


9 posted on 02/02/2006 8:01:19 AM PST by VOA
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To: Petronski

It doesn't matter. It's just something to send to the contributors on your list.


10 posted on 02/02/2006 8:01:26 AM PST by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: DeusExMachina05

"The movie is called "End of the Spear"? Hmmmm....interesting bit of irony here."

I caught that too! Of course gay actors will apply for roles on a film with a name like that.


11 posted on 02/02/2006 8:03:01 AM PST by SmoothTalker
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To: MineralMan
...publicity campaigns by these organizations

I coulnd not agree more. But the Southern Baptists are behind this campaign.

the Southern Baptist Convention... has published articles critical of Every Tribe's decisions

12 posted on 02/02/2006 8:03:06 AM PST by Mr. Brightside
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To: When_Penguins_Attack

>>>How many times is this going to be posted? Are we going for a record or something? <<<<



http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/search?m=all;o=time;s=evangelical


13 posted on 02/02/2006 8:04:47 AM PST by Mr. Brightside
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To: Mr. Brightside

My Southern-Baptist mother-in-law and father-in-law, both missionaries, in fact my father-in-law is a retired pastor, did not pose any objection to this film. And they enjoyed seeing it. All Southern-Baptists need not be painted with the same brush. Of those in my family who have seen it, they were already familiar with the story and thoroughly enjoyed the movie.


14 posted on 02/02/2006 8:07:37 AM PST by Pan_Yans Wife ("Death is better, a milder fate than tyranny. "--Aeschylus)
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To: Petronski

Remember how close Lot was to the fire and brimstone of Sodom and Gomorrah? His wife had the sin of those cities so much a part of her life that she could not run away and not look back. Lot lost his sons in law to be-and his daughters escaped because the angels picked them up by the collar and dragged them out of there before they firebombed the place. Even though they escaped the destruction, they still had the sin of those who were destroyed inside of them--they lost it with their father. Thus, the idea that you can casually live side by side with homosexuality and that it has no effect is really wrong. The problem with homosexuality is not that is the worst sin, it is this sin's ability to twist the very creation of God into something that denies the creator and your purpose altogether.


15 posted on 02/02/2006 8:08:29 AM PST by truthingod
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To: When_Penguins_Attack
How many times is this going to be posted?

I think this is the only posting of this New York Times article.
It's interesting to see how The Old Gray Lady summarizes
the controversy amongst a demographic group they haven't a clue about.
16 posted on 02/02/2006 8:08:55 AM PST by VOA
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To: truthingod

Homosexuality is not in itself a sin. The homosexual behavior is the sin.


17 posted on 02/02/2006 8:10:48 AM PST by Petronski (I love Cyborg!)
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To: Petronski

Please tell me how you can be a "homosexual" in your mind and not be a sinner? The idea that behavior is the sin is not correct. Jesus said thoughts were just as bad.


18 posted on 02/02/2006 8:11:53 AM PST by truthingod
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To: DeusExMachina05

Agreed. I'm still laughing.


19 posted on 02/02/2006 8:12:25 AM PST by lilylangtree
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To: Mr. Brightside
"Most kids would never know the actor was gay.... if it wasn't for the Southern Baptists."


Really, you mean the guy is secretly a gay??? I think you might need to check out this guy's gayness before you make unsubstantiated accusations.
20 posted on 02/02/2006 8:12:31 AM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: Mr. Brightside

"...president of Central Baptist Seminary in Minneapolis, stated in a Jan. 13 entry: "Granted, we must not overreact. And it would probably be an overreaction to firebomb these men's houses. "



I'm happy that the president of a Seminary thinks that terrorism via firebombing is "probably..an overreaction".


21 posted on 02/02/2006 8:12:50 AM PST by Blzbba (Sub sole nihil novi est)
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To: Mr. Brightside

The actor should be excluded if he was "out" and and maintained that homosexuality is not a sin. Similarly, if a straight actor had a web site in which he described pre-marital sex as though it is not also sinful, he should be excluded.

We are all sinners, but there is a differences between accepting and rejecting the Bible.


22 posted on 02/02/2006 8:13:37 AM PST by Jibaholic (We wouldn't let our enemies have guns, why should we let them have ideas? -- Josef Stalin)
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To: truthingod

I'm a sinner in my mind on occasion - I break some commandments in my mind all the time. I don't act on it. Do you think God can't distinguish between a passing thought and an action?


23 posted on 02/02/2006 8:13:57 AM PST by HitmanLV (Listen to my demos for Savage Nation contest: http://www.geocities.com/mr_vinnie_vegas/index.html)
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To: Mr. Brightside

Must stop all sinners from acting.. New rule, no glutons...


24 posted on 02/02/2006 8:14:19 AM PST by mnehring (Perry 06- It's better than a hippie in a cowboy hat or a commie with blue hair.)
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To: Pan_Yans Wife

Sorry for your offense.

I made my comments simply because the article stated that the Southern Baptist Convention and its news service are waging a campaign against the movie.


25 posted on 02/02/2006 8:14:56 AM PST by Mr. Brightside
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To: Jibaholic

Correct! If the movie is being made by Christians with the idea of projecting the christian lifestyle, then those working on the film should have a lifestyle that backs of the whole premise of christianity.


26 posted on 02/02/2006 8:15:32 AM PST by truthingod
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To: Just mythoughts
I think you might need to check out this guy's gayness before you make unsubstantiated accusations.

huh?

27 posted on 02/02/2006 8:16:49 AM PST by Mr. Brightside
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To: HitmanLV

See Matthew 5:27-30. Jesus had some tough words about how our thoughts could destroy us. God surely distinguishes the passing thought that Satan loves to tempt us with, but there ought to be a complete arrest of that thought and not give it life in any way. Recognize the attack against the mind, the battlefield is in the mind first. If the enemy can get your mind, he's got your body too.


28 posted on 02/02/2006 8:17:23 AM PST by truthingod
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To: truthingod

I don't disagree. So we agree that God is smart enough to distingush between the two?


29 posted on 02/02/2006 8:18:03 AM PST by HitmanLV (Listen to my demos for Savage Nation contest: http://www.geocities.com/mr_vinnie_vegas/index.html)
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To: Blzbba
I'm happy that the president of a Seminary thinks that terrorism via firebombing is "probably..an overreaction".

My thoughts also. Sheesh!

30 posted on 02/02/2006 8:18:44 AM PST by Mr. Brightside
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To: Mr. Brightside

Yes huh? That is exactly what I thought about your baseless accusation.

The kids of this world are not relying upon the "Southern Baptist" to out this guy, he wears his 'sexuality' as his identity.


31 posted on 02/02/2006 8:19:12 AM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: truthingod

I think what he was saying is that a person can struggle with desires for un-God-ly affection for another person of the same gender. The Scriptures clearly differentiate between temptation and sin. YES, I do agree wholeheartedly that a person can most certainly sin with his thoughts and desires. However, my advice is to be careful that you don't become the hypocritical judge who fails to see the plank in his own eye. Examine yourself first--look to see where you fall short and are in need of God's grace, too.


32 posted on 02/02/2006 8:19:35 AM PST by OldArmy94
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To: HitmanLV

Your point about commandments in the mind is so key.

Being heterosexual is just part of who I am. I don't THINK about it, nor do I ACT on it in every waking minute, an impossibility. I believe this is true of homosexuals, too.

ALL HAVE SINNED AND FALLEN SHORT OF THE GLORY OF GOD. But, all can be redeemed.


33 posted on 02/02/2006 8:20:19 AM PST by Pan_Yans Wife ("Death is better, a milder fate than tyranny. "--Aeschylus)
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To: Mr. Brightside; Petronski
Before a lot of folks spout off against "evangelicals" on the basis of the NYT's reporting (!), please read my take here, for starters.

Dan

34 posted on 02/02/2006 8:20:40 AM PST by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: HitmanLV

Absolutely, God is big enough. However, He did not leave us without a way to escape temptation. That is why the idea that one can be a homosexual only in the mind is lying to themselves. The Bible says that the heart is deceitfully wicked and who can know it? See Jeremiah 17:9.


35 posted on 02/02/2006 8:20:46 AM PST by truthingod
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To: truthingod; HitmanLV

Speaking of Jesus... Didn't he hire Judas, an unrepentant man?


36 posted on 02/02/2006 8:21:01 AM PST by Mr. Brightside
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To: truthingod
Please tell me how you can be a "homosexual" in your mind and not be a sinner?

Can you claim to know if such thoughts are at their root voluntary or involuntary?

37 posted on 02/02/2006 8:21:37 AM PST by Petronski (I love Cyborg!)
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To: OldArmy94

The examination of our heart should begin and end with God's own word on the subject. I cannot trust myself enough to know except I find that guidance in the word of God. I have friends caught in this web of living and I pray for them every day with love and compassion. Truth out of balance is error.


38 posted on 02/02/2006 8:22:43 AM PST by truthingod
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To: Pan_Yans Wife

I agree. I also tend to dislike analyses that made God look bad. Of course God can distinguish between my own internal passing coveting of a married woman I may encounter (that's just a normal, natural reaction). I don't linger on it, nor do I lust over it. Nor do I act on it.

The idea that God can't tell the difference makes God look dumb. God isn't dumb. As you say, we are all with sin (that is, 'missing the mark').


39 posted on 02/02/2006 8:22:45 AM PST by HitmanLV (Listen to my demos for Savage Nation contest: http://www.geocities.com/mr_vinnie_vegas/index.html)
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To: Mr. Brightside
"Speaking of Jesus... Didn't he hire Judas, an unrepentant man?"


Where do you get this stufffff? Judas returned his thirty pieces of silver, he threw them on the temple floor to those who payed for the betrayal.
40 posted on 02/02/2006 8:23:41 AM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: truthingod
Correct! If the movie is being made by Christians with the idea of projecting the christian lifestyle, then those working on the film should have a lifestyle that backs of the whole premise of christianity.

Let's be honest, can you name one person who would fit this bill other than Christ himself?
Do we know this actor's heart? We are labeling him based on one 'sin' yet, we are all sinners.
Do we know why this person is 'gay'? Is this a mental illness as some suggest? Is there genetic issues as others do? Is this purely rebellion against G_d as many accuse?
Would any of this effect the message of the film if he weren't put against the wall and stoned in judgment?
41 posted on 02/02/2006 8:23:52 AM PST by mnehring (Perry 06- It's better than a hippie in a cowboy hat or a commie with blue hair.)
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To: Mr. Brightside

Talk about mountains out of molehills. I bet some of these people complaining have hired adulterous plumbers or promiscuous roofers.


42 posted on 02/02/2006 8:24:03 AM PST by Sloth (Archaeologists test for intelligent design all the time.)
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To: Mr. Brightside

Was Judas unrepentant when he got on the payroll?


43 posted on 02/02/2006 8:24:18 AM PST by HitmanLV (Listen to my demos for Savage Nation contest: http://www.geocities.com/mr_vinnie_vegas/index.html)
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To: Just mythoughts

Most moviegoers would never have known the guy was a homosexual... if it wasn't for the SBC.

You and I both know that.



44 posted on 02/02/2006 8:24:42 AM PST by Mr. Brightside
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To: truthingod

OK. A passing thought and I escape temptation. Works for me.


45 posted on 02/02/2006 8:25:19 AM PST by HitmanLV (Listen to my demos for Savage Nation contest: http://www.geocities.com/mr_vinnie_vegas/index.html)
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To: Just mythoughts

I never assumed Judas was saved. You do?


46 posted on 02/02/2006 8:25:36 AM PST by Mr. Brightside
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To: Mr. Brightside
"Most moviegoers would never have known the guy was a homosexual... if it wasn't for the SBC.

You and I both know that. "


I think you need to do a little checking into the "movie-making" of this guy and what he lives his life about.
47 posted on 02/02/2006 8:26:13 AM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: HitmanLV

Judas stole from Jesus over the years.

Jesus knew Judas would steal, and ultimately betray him. Yet he still hired him.


48 posted on 02/02/2006 8:27:03 AM PST by Mr. Brightside
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To: HitmanLV

yes.


49 posted on 02/02/2006 8:27:55 AM PST by kinsman redeemer (the real enemy seeks to devour what is good)
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To: Mr. Brightside

Doesn't mean he was unrepentant about the stealing. It just means he kept doing it. :-)


50 posted on 02/02/2006 8:28:02 AM PST by HitmanLV (Listen to my demos for Savage Nation contest: http://www.geocities.com/mr_vinnie_vegas/index.html)
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