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BRITISH JOURNALIST EYE-WITNESSED OSAMA BIN LADEN ENTERING ALIJA IZETBEGOVIC’S OFFICE IN SARAJEVO
www.slobodan-milosevic.org ^ | February 3, 2006 | Andy Wilcoxson

Posted on 02/04/2006 12:59:01 PM PST by joan

The trial of Slobodan Milosevic resumed on Friday with the testimony of Ms. Eva Prentice. Ms. Prentice is a British journalist who has covered the Balkans for both The Guardian and the London Times newspapers since the 1980s. Over the course of her career she visited the former Yugoslavia at least forty times.

Ms. Prentice testified that she was concerned by non-objective reporting in the Western media. She said that Western politicians and journalists presented the conflicts in the former Yugoslavia in terms of good vs. evil. She said that Serbs were demonized and portrayed as evil while Kosovo-Albanians, Croats, and Bosnian-Muslims were portrayed as innocent victims.

Ms. Prentice made it clear that she believed that all sides had committed crimes and that all sides had innocent victims. As her book “One Woman’s War” makes clear she is not an apologist for the Serbian cause.

Ms. Prentice testified that the KLA waged a terrorism war in Kosovo throughout the late 1990s. She said that Kosovo fell victim to a cycle of violence where the KLA launched attacks and the Yugoslav security forces retaliated.

Ms. Prentice was one of the few Western journalists who was actually in Kosovo during the NATO bombing campaign. She testified that she spoke to hundreds of Albanian, Roma and Turkish civilians.

She testified that the Kosovo-Albanians told her that they were leaving Kosovo primarily because they were afraid of the KLA and the NATO bombing. She only came across one Albanian who told her that he was leaving because the Serbian police had told him to.

She said that the KLA was telling the Albanian population that it was their “patriotic duty” to leave Kosovo in order to make it appear that the Serbs were victimizing the Albanians and ethnically cleansing the province.

Ms. Prentice testified that she took measures to speak to Albanian civilians at times when Serbian police were not around. Her Albanian interpreter was a lawyer who worked for Ibrahim Rugova.

She testified that Albanian civilians were afraid to speak freely in the presence of the KLA. She recounted one instance in Kosvoska Mitrovica where she was interviewing a group of Albanians and they would not speak to her once a member of the KLA came within earshot.

During her stay in Kosovo she never witnessed any inappropriate behavior on the part of the Yugoslav Army or the Serbian police. She said that she saw non-Serb civilians enjoying a relaxed relationship with the army.

She testified that she had heard from other journalists that some people had been forced to leave Kosovo due to pressure exerted against them by Serbian forces, but she never witnessed any such incidents herself.

Ms. Prentice testified that the civilian population was justifiably afraid of the NATO bombing. She witnessed the destruction of civilian targets almost daily. She saw the result of NATO’s cluster bomb attack on Nis. She saw at least 30 corpses in the streets and interviewed several wounded persons in the hospital.

She also witnessed the destruction caused by NATO bombing raids in Gnjilane, Istok (Dubrava Prison), Orohovac, and Meja. In each of these cases the indictment accuses Serbia for the destruction.

In the case of Meja, the indictment accuses Serbian forces of organizing a massacre, Ms. Prentice spoke to several victims in the hospital and they told her that NATO had bombed them.

While she was in Gnjilane she did not see any evidence of the deliberate burning of shops and houses alleged by the indictment. All she saw was the destruction caused by NATO.

The indictment says that Serbian troops forced the Albanian population to leave Prizren from March 28th onwards. But Ms. Prentice said that there were a lot of Albanians in Prizren while she was there in May.

Ms. Prentice was bombed by NATO herself. At about 3 PM on May 30, 1999 she was on her way to Prizren. She was on the road about 8 km east of Prizren when NATO attacked. Her driver was killed in the attack, and a cameraman she was traveling with was blown into a river several meters away.

She said that the NATO aircraft were flying low enough that they could have easily seen the civilian cars on the road below.

Ms. Prentice, who has a pilot’s license herself, estimated the aircraft to be flying at about 2,000 ft. Because she was traveling with a cameraman she also has videotape of the NATO aircraft. She was ultimately rescued from the scene Yugoslav Army personnel who took her to safety and gave her medical treatment.

About two weeks after the bombing Ms. Prentice began to suffer health effects. She lost her voice. Her immune system weakened. She has had cancer twice since then, and the presence of heavy metals in her blood stream causes her to suspect that NATO used depleted uranium weapons during the attack.

NATO has publicly denied that it carried out the bombing raid, but Ms. Prentice’s father (who is a member of the British House of Lords) received information from his contacts in the British military that NATO had indeed carried out the bombing.

Ms. Prentice testified that after NATO entered Kosovo a massive exodus of the non-Albanian population occurred. She said that the KLA, together with Albanians from Albania, went around Kosovo forcing the non-Albanian population to leave. She said that NATO did nothing to protect the non-Albanian population.

The most explosive part of her testimony dealt with an interview that she scheduled with Alija Izetbegovic in November 1994. While she was waiting in Izetbegovic's foyer both she, and a journalist from Der Speigel, saw Osama bin Laden being escorted into Izetbegovic’s office. Yes *that* Osama bin Laden -- the same Osama bin Laden who masterminded the 9/11 terrorist attacks.

Needless to say this evidence did not sit well with the tribunal. Mr. Nice immediately objected and Judge Robinson cut off the testimony immediately declaring it “irrelevant.”

Milosevic tried to explain that the involvement of Islamic terrorists with the highest level of the Bosnian Muslim government shows that the Bosnian Serbs were fighting a war for self-preservation, not a war for some made-up “greater Serbia” conspiracy. Unfortunately the Judges wouldn’t have any of it so he was forced to move on.

Milosevic questioned the witness questions about the Markale market. Over the course of her work, Ms. Prentice spoke with people who had access to ballistics data on the blast. According to the information she received the blast did not come from an outside projectile. The blast came from an explosive device that had been taped under one of the tables at the market.

When she interviewed Lord Owen she asked him whether he had believed that the Bosnian-Muslim government planted the bomb themselves. She said that Owen responded by refusing to confirm or deny the suggestion. The Markale Market is significant because NATO used it as the justification to bomb the Bosnian Serbs.

Ms. Prentice testified that when she visited Sarajevo in 1994 she did not find the city under siege. She said that there was some shelling but not a siege.

She said that one day while she was at the offices of the Bosnian presidency a shell exploded near the house she was staying. She observed that the shell fell in a location that was surrounded by tall buildings and narrow streets meaning that the shell could have only come in from a steep angle, which meant that it could only have been fired from a Muslim-held position.

During her time in Bosnia she visited Pale. She said that she was surprised to find that a large number of non-Serb refugees were being given shelter there. Before she actually visited Bosnia she had believed what the rest of the media told her about the Serbs.

She recounted one occasion where she tried to convince Robin Cook to visit Pale so that he could see for himself that non-Serbs were living freely in the Bosnian-Serb capital. Cook, who was on a fact finding mission, told her that he would not visit Pale because he thought the Serbs were “monsters.”

Mr. Nice spent the last part of the day cross-examining Ms. Prentice. As I said in the beginning of this report Ms. Prentice is not an apologist for the Serbian cause. She wrote a lot of things that were critical of the Serbian side and Mr. Nice spent his entire cross-examination quoting every unfavorable word that she ever wrote about the Serbs. Ms. Prentice could barely get a word in edgewise.

However, it is worth noting that nearly everything Mr. Nice quoted from Ms. Prentice’s work was hearsay. It was mostly information that she had heard from others – not events that she had directly witnessed herself.

At the end of the day Milosevic was left with practically no time for re-examination. He accused the prosecutor of quoting Ms. Prentice’s work in a selective and misleading fashion.

The trial will resume next Monday with the continued testimony of Prof. Branko Kostic.


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1 posted on 02/04/2006 12:59:04 PM PST by joan
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To: FormerLib; DTA; Honorary Serb; Wraith; tgambill; kronos77

ping


2 posted on 02/04/2006 12:59:24 PM PST by joan
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To: joan

Clintoon put us on the wrong side of that conflict. We should have stayed out of it and let the Serbs do their worst to the Kosovar Islamonazis.


3 posted on 02/04/2006 1:02:32 PM PST by Bon mots
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To: joan; zagor-te-nej; Lion in Winter; Honorary Serb; jb6; Incorrigible; DTA; ma bell; vooch; ...
The most explosive part of her testimony dealt with an interview that she scheduled with Alija Izetbegovic in November 1994. While she was waiting in Izetbegovic's foyer both she, and a journalist from Der Speigel, saw Osama bin Laden being escorted into Izetbegovic’s office. Yes *that* Osama bin Laden -- the same Osama bin Laden who masterminded the 9/11 terrorist attacks.

While most of us aren't surprised at all that the truth about the Islamofascist involvement in the Balkans, certain posters are going to go into a raging hissy fit of denials. I'm sure they'll have plenty of stuff to post from one of Mr. Soros' websites.

4 posted on 02/04/2006 1:04:53 PM PST by FormerLib (Kosova: "land stolen from Serbs and given to terrorist killers in a futile attempt to appease them.")
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To: FormerLib

Assuming that is true, that leads us to exactly where? I am not sure Osama was even on the bad boy list back then.


5 posted on 02/04/2006 1:09:44 PM PST by Torie
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To: joan
Many of knew instinctively that slick willie was on the wrong side of the issue. The media had an agenda, but as long as I live I will never understand their reasoning.

Our military knew as well, but followed the orders of their CIC, and by designation, General Weasley Clark.

6 posted on 02/04/2006 1:12:18 PM PST by OldFriend (The Dems enABLEd DANGER and 3,000 Americans died.)
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To: FormerLib
** FREE SLOBO!! **


7 posted on 02/04/2006 1:17:41 PM PST by Incorrigible (If I lead, follow me; If I pause, push me; If I retreat, kill me.)
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To: FormerLib
Ms. Prentice, who has a pilot’s license herself, estimated the aircraft to be flying at about 2,000 ft

This makes me raise the B.S. flag because the altitude restrictions during that campaign were way higher than 2000 ft.

8 posted on 02/04/2006 1:23:01 PM PST by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: joan

bump


9 posted on 02/04/2006 1:23:21 PM PST by VOA
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To: joan
Incredible testimony. . .

It cannot be surprising; giving their 'witness' to our war against terrorism these past few years. . .which side the Liberal/radical/Demrat Left favors. . . .and further evidence offered above.

Again we see our Left; in this case. . .Clinton and Osamma; fighting the same war; from the same side. . .

As well, it cannot be said often enough. . .that EVERY problem. . .be it major or minor. . .which we face in our country today. . .can be traced to the actions. . .the M.O. and the AGENDA of the lying 'The LEFT'. . .as we know it. . .and them. . .

10 posted on 02/04/2006 1:23:22 PM PST by cricket
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To: USNBandit
Given the subterfuge and the lies that NATO has already given voice to. . .i.e. those 'apparently' confirmed in her testimony; why do you think that these 'limits' were uniformly observed?

That said. . .I thought it was 'our' military that was supposedly confined to the higher altitudes in their operations specifically; so as to keep at a minimum, the casualty rate so as to confirm that Clinton indeed; was forging a war. . .

. . .from a 'higher plane' - no pun intended - (plane of consciousness, of course) according to Clinton. . .and praised by his 'suck-up' cadre - so to speak. . .

11 posted on 02/04/2006 1:37:51 PM PST by cricket
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To: joan
Milosevic may have been a Communist thug, but at least he was our Communist thug,... unlike Bill Clinton!
12 posted on 02/04/2006 1:39:49 PM PST by Gritty (“Both Clintons do nothing but talk your ears off” - Jim Kouri)
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To: joan

Sorry, but I don't believe it.


13 posted on 02/04/2006 1:44:39 PM PST by Christopher Lincoln
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To: Torie

Neither was Hitler in 1936, but than Brits even back that allowed him to grow and kill 50 millions.

Clinton did same to Osama. feeded him, and in return he killed 3,000 americans.


14 posted on 02/04/2006 1:51:39 PM PST by kronos77 (Kosovo I Metohija - "Field of Blackbirds And Land of The Monastry" full official name.)
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To: joan

bump


15 posted on 02/04/2006 1:59:48 PM PST by lunarbicep (There is something about a closet that makes a skeleton terribly restless.)
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To: USNBandit

If she has a video of the incident then it should be easy to identify the type. The Serbs were also flying their aircraft during the conflict over Kosovo. They flew down at low levelon recon and bombing missions against KLA positions. It would be interesting to see her cameraman's video?


16 posted on 02/04/2006 2:01:06 PM PST by Tommyjo
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To: Christopher Lincoln
What parts don't you believe - or don't you believe any of it?

The fact that she was in Kosovo and injured by bombing was reported by the BBC while the air war was still going on. Though, one thing to note, is her husband saying she has been fighting cancer since she was 17-years-old, so the part of the write up implying the bombing being responsible her cancer, operations and illnesses is deceptive as they were pre-existing conditions.

Times reporter leaves hospital

UK journalist injured in an apparent Nato air strike in Kosovo has left hospital, it has been confirmed.

The newspaper's correspondent Eve-Ann Prentice escaped from the attack, in which one person died, with only "light injuries".

The Times later said Mrs Prentice had decided to return to Belgrade and had sent a short satellite message to her colleagues.

Defence Minister John Spellar first revealed Mrs Prentice had left hospital at Monday's Ministry of Defence briefing. Nato had begun an investigation to determine if it had bombed the two-vehicle convoy of Western journalists travelling from Prizren to Brezovica, he said.

Driver and interpreter Nebojsa Radojevic, 28, died in the missile attack. Two other journalists were injured.

Mr Spellar told the Ministry of Defence briefing: "With regard to the journalist, we regret injuries to civilians and particularly those journalists who in difficult circumstances are trying to report the truth from Kosovo."

The defence minister also declined to comment on responsibility for the deaths of 11 people at a sanatorium in south east Serbia.

"I understand that Nato are conducting an investigation and will be making a statement later," he said.

Balkans veteran

The Times said it would consider whether Mrs Prentice should now return to Britain or remain in Yugoslavia to report the conflict.

"There are no immediate plans to pull her back, it depends on her physical condition and her own wishes," a spokesman said.

"We will consult with her when she gets to Belgrade, which will not be until tomorrow."

Her husband, Pat, said Yugoslavia's Deputy Prime Minister Vuk Draskovic, a friend of the correspondents, was keeping them informed of her condition.

Mr Prentice, who also works at The Times, said: "She has been in Bosnia, Croatia, Sarajevo, she has been everywhere. She is a veteran in the Balkans."

Mr Prentice, who was married to her for 23 years, said she has been fighting cancer since she was 17 years old. Her last operation to beat breast cancer was 18 months ago, he said.

"We are still trying to get through to the hospital," he said. "We keep getting told she wasn't badly injured, but we just don't know."

17 posted on 02/04/2006 2:02:28 PM PST by joan
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To: USNBandit

My BS flag now.

There were at least two casess one when 40 mm Bofors AA gun shot A-10 in Engine, and A-10 surviving it, and other fiering upon F-16 with 30 mm Praga AA gun, so, in both casess planes hade to be in range of 30-40mm guns.
Also, A-10 is using his gun as main armament, and way abowe 2,000 ft that is impossibile. Planes using cluster bombs also flew in low altitude, and cluster bombs are used on altitudes
CBU-59 have 400 ft. minimum altitude and above 2,000 ft you miss Iowa.


18 posted on 02/04/2006 2:03:27 PM PST by kronos77 (Kosovo I Metohija - "Field of Blackbirds And Land of The Monastry" full official name.)
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To: cricket
"Ms. Prentice testified that she was concerned by non-objective reporting in the Western media."

A concern shared by all who are not infected by the liberal disease in this country.

19 posted on 02/04/2006 2:08:41 PM PST by TheClintons-STILLAnti-American (Keep the adults in charge of Congress.)
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To: Tommyjo

We are missing a point here.
Woman testifyed that she saw Osama Bin laden making buddies with Bosnias Clinton-backed president Aliyah Izetbegovic.

That was the point of the article.

Secondary (sadly so) is her testemony that NATO planes bombed area.
Sadest thing is that (NATO or Serbian, but I can`t blame Serbians for using their planes in defence of their country) war occured.
that i sthat mombing took place in protection of Clintons "Osama Ben laden" project on Balkans that backfiered heavy.

Even if Serb planes flew mission, that is cheers for them, cause than generalissimmo Wesley Clark failed to achive, first and major point in war, air superiority. Im not sure what is worse

1. NATO killing inocent civillians
2. Serbian airforce flying missions despite 50:1 odds.
3. Wesley Clark failing misserably.


20 posted on 02/04/2006 2:12:22 PM PST by kronos77 (Kosovo I Metohija - "Field of Blackbirds And Land of The Monastry" full official name.)
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To: joan

Bump.


21 posted on 02/04/2006 2:12:51 PM PST by auboy
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To: kronos77
Also, A-10 is using his gun as main armament, and way abowe 2,000 ft that is impossibile. Planes using cluster bombs also flew in low altitude, and cluster bombs are used on altitudes CBU-59 have 400 ft. minimum altitude and above 2,000 ft you miss Iowa

Inaccurate, misinformed, and wrong.

How much experience do you have delivering A/G ordnance? My guess would be zero.

22 posted on 02/04/2006 2:14:06 PM PST by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: FormerLib
There have been numerous incidents in both Bosnia and Kosovo where "friendly" Muslim forces, the same folks our troops were sent in to defend, have attacked their NATO protectors.

There was an incident in 1995, right after the Dayton Peace Accord was signed, where a group of US Army Rangers were conducting a sweep for any Serbian forces who might have come across the border and they walked into a village that had been completely taken over by Chechen fighters who'd just finished clobbering the Russian Army back home and were out looking for another fight. If I recall correctly, one Ranger was killed and several others were severely injured before they could break contact. At first, no one wanted to admit what had happened, but it eventually broke, created a stir for a few days, then quickly faded into the background.

23 posted on 02/04/2006 2:17:34 PM PST by Stonewall Jackson ("I see storms on the horizon")
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To: USNBandit
Even General Michael C. Short, admits that they lowered it down to 5,000 ft. But I suspect, they did fly even lower, but that is all he will admit to:

It came back from the squadron that we needed to let the forward air controllers go down to 5,000 feet, and to let the strikers go down as low as 8,000 feet in a diving delivery, to ensure that they verify their target and then right back up again to 15,000 feet. We acknowledged that that increases the risks significantly, but none of us want to hit a tractor full of refugees again. We can't stand that.

So from that point on, the rules were: "Try to operate at 15,000 feet, but if you're a forward air controller, like my son is, in the daytime with your binoculars and you see something on the ground and you can't identify it from 15,000 feet, then you're clear down as low as 5,000 feet to make that identification." . . .

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/kosovo/interviews/short.html


24 posted on 02/04/2006 2:22:38 PM PST by joan
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To: joan

Do you know what a FAC is?


25 posted on 02/04/2006 2:28:08 PM PST by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: joan
But I suspect, they did fly even lower, but that is all he will admit to:

You know all us guys in the miltary are liars.

26 posted on 02/04/2006 2:35:16 PM PST by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: joan
Another journalist has pointed out the one sided and sometimes false reporting about the Serbs.

I have heard Michael Medved say similar things.

In other words the Serbs were not completely innocent but they were probably the lessor of two evils, and we sided with the Moslem terrorists.

27 posted on 02/04/2006 2:35:36 PM PST by yarddog
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To: USNBandit
No, what is it?

Also, I do remember seeing footage of the Chinese embassy bombing, and the bomber planes didn't fly there all that much higher than the building itself. The bombs were sent in, one after the other, at strong angles (not directly downward), and seemingly into the windows, as the plane flew practically alongside, but a little higher. That plane wasn't any higher than a few hundred feet. Nothing in Belgrade is near World Trade Center towers'height (1368 and 1362 ft.).

28 posted on 02/04/2006 2:40:23 PM PST by joan
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To: USNBandit

Not all guys..but this story is a farce...unless
you are a cave dwellar..you won't see..OBL....He
will live there and die there...and that brings up
a question...if we know he is in a certain area...
why have we not the intellience to pinpoint it for
a nice visiting..50 ton missile..forget the capture...
look at the Hussein trial...take him out...Jake


29 posted on 02/04/2006 2:47:46 PM PST by sanjacjake
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To: Bon mots

I have no love for the Serbs---I know Croats and Slovenians who were brutalized by his thugs. But I agree that we should have stayed out and let it run its bloody course.


30 posted on 02/04/2006 3:16:12 PM PST by LS
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To: joan
Forward Air Controllers are required to ID targets if the targets aren't preplanned. The the statement by the general officer, that you accused of lying, he stated the forward air controllers were the only people cleared to 5,000 feet and then for identifications only. Other aircraft were cleared to 8,000 for dive recoveries indicating a release altitude 2-5 thousand feet higher depending on dive angle and airspeed.

Regarding the Chinese embassy, that strike was not conducted at low altitude either. I would love to see the footage you are claiming showed aircraft at roof level, especially at night.

31 posted on 02/04/2006 3:22:57 PM PST by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: USNBandit

My expirienca is that some 60% of all NATO hits were large stationary objects, and that laser-guided bomb couldnt hit anything smaller than steel bridge. For attack on smal mobile targets, A-10 was produced on a first place. Most of small targets in 1999 hade to be attacked from low altitude, and even than, hits were not best.

Your expirience might have ben on exercise, good weather drops, but in real cmbat, on bad terrain, with hills and forests, and large number of small cal AAs and portable SAMs, targets can me hitted only by low-flying sudden strikes, and that includes under 1,000 ft flights.


32 posted on 02/04/2006 3:23:14 PM PST by kronos77 (Kosovo I Metohija - "Field of Blackbirds And Land of The Monastry" full official name.)
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To: USNBandit

First thing that I wondered was whether she'd seen a UAV. The Serbs did shoot down a lot of those during Clinton's war on them and they thought they were shooting down combat aircraft. If trained military folks can make that sort of mistake, it only makes it more likely that a civilian might.

No big surprise about bin Laden working with the Bosnian Muslims, though.


33 posted on 02/04/2006 3:25:17 PM PST by FormerLib (Kosova: "land stolen from Serbs and given to terrorist killers in a futile attempt to appease them.")
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To: sanjacjake

Osamma was 'out and about' before 9/11. . .


34 posted on 02/04/2006 3:29:30 PM PST by cricket
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To: USNBandit

I know clinton is and I know that slug Gen Clark is too.


35 posted on 02/04/2006 3:35:43 PM PST by Lion in Winter (only good nazi/fascist is a dead nazi/fascist!!!!)
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To: kronos77
Your english is slipping.

Your expirience might have ben on exercise, good weather drops, but in real cmbat, on bad terrain, with hills and forests, and large number of small cal AAs and portable SAMs, targets can me hitted only by low-flying sudden strikes, and that includes under 1,000 ft flights.

Your statement is supported the continual successes of the Serbs against NATO air forces.

36 posted on 02/04/2006 3:35:54 PM PST by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: USNBandit

Well, my English is slipping probably due to the fact that Im Serb.
And about success of war of 1999, NATO should not brag about.
Also, about success of NATo war, you may discuss with people from Manhattan. They will tell you taht America certanly lost that war, ant that entire world is about to lose the war if people like than president Clinton are to came to power.


37 posted on 02/04/2006 3:45:14 PM PST by kronos77 (Kosovo I Metohija - "Field of Blackbirds And Land of The Monastry" full official name.)
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To: Stonewall Jackson
There was an incident in 1995, right after the Dayton Peace Accord was signed, where a group of US Army Rangers were conducting a sweep for any Serbian forces who might have come across the border and they walked into a village that had been completely taken over by Chechen fighters who'd just finished clobbering the Russian Army back home and were out looking for another fight. If I recall correctly, one Ranger was killed and several others were severely injured before they could break contact. At first, no one wanted to admit what had happened, but it eventually broke, created a stir for a few days, then quickly faded into the background.

You might want to check your source on this one, Stonewall. The only source I'm familiar with on the "Rangers in Bosnia" line of stories is Serbian, and purported service in the Balkans is one of the litmus tests used to sniff out posers by veterans of the Regiment.

Special Operations Forces In Bosnia (1/27/96)

Army special operations units in the area include the 1st Special Forces Group, Fort Lewis, Wash.; the 5th Group from Fort Campbell, Ky.; the 10th Group, Fort Carson, Colo.; and the Army National Guard 20th Special Forces Group, Birmingham, Ala. Portions of Fort Bragg’s (N.C.) 4th Psychological Operations Battalion, 96th Civil Affairs Battalion, and 112th and 528th Special Operations Signal battalions are also in Bosnia.

While the Rangers are high speed and do secret squirrel stuff, they're not higher speed nor doing more covert secret squirrel stuff than the aforementioned Special Forces Groups.

38 posted on 02/04/2006 3:45:58 PM PST by Hoplite
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To: joan

I saw Elvis once. At a gas station.


39 posted on 02/04/2006 3:47:21 PM PST by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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To: USNBandit
Did you not know that that NATO bombed a civilian walking-type of wooden bridge filled with people who had just left Church in a small Serbian town in May of 1999?

When the priest went out to help, the planes came back, bombed the place again and killed him( he was de-capitated) and other rescuers. I read about this on FR. The MSM made no big deal of it. So what another Christian is murdered.. that IS the MSM attitude.

Eyewitnesses said the planes were quite low in that bombing run as well.

clinton and clark are war criminals... as much if not more than slobo and slobo is a commie. So, what does that make clinton/clark... lower than whale poop, that's what!

40 posted on 02/04/2006 3:49:56 PM PST by Lion in Winter (only good nazi/fascist is a dead nazi/fascist!!!!)
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To: Torie
"Assuming that is true, that leads us to exactly where? I am not sure Osama was even on the bad boy list back then."

At this point in time it hardly matters whether or not Osama was a known terrorist THEN, he certainly made his mark afterward and I doubt his intentions changed much between 1994 and 2001.

41 posted on 02/04/2006 3:50:22 PM PST by norton
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To: Torie
"Assuming that is true, that leads us to exactly where? I am not sure Osama was even on the bad boy list back then."

Bin Laden was very much involved with Somalia (e.g. "Blackhawk Down") in 1993.

In 1994 Bin Laden was in Bosnia. In 1999 he was probably in Kosovo. Certainly many, many Iranian mujaheeden were there by then.

42 posted on 02/04/2006 3:52:03 PM PST by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: USNBandit
Welcome to crazyland, aka FR's Balkan threads.

And if you've been here before, what the hell were you thinking when you waded back in?

= )

43 posted on 02/04/2006 3:54:20 PM PST by Hoplite
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To: FormerLib
Bosnians are still working with/for their pal Osama.

All I need to know about ANY muslim, I learned on 9/11.

Too bad so many on this forum still support weasel muslims.

44 posted on 02/04/2006 3:54:36 PM PST by Lion in Winter (only good nazi/fascist is a dead nazi/fascist!!!!)
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To: Tommyjo
"The Serbs were also flying their aircraft during the conflict over Kosovo."

Proof please,
as I remember the events (as reported) there was little or no Serb air presence during the NATO invasion - and bomb runs of any sort would have been real low on their priority list while a half dozen foreign air forces prowled their air space.

45 posted on 02/04/2006 3:55:23 PM PST by norton
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To: USNBandit

Man, you are going against yourself.

1. You say that NATO won and that NATO airforce was superior
than You denie that by saying "NATO planes didn`t killed civillians, but Serb aircrafts did".

What Serb aircrafts? Worlds largest millitary alliance is at war with 1,000 planes up in the air, and you claim that Serb jets flew and attacked targets?


2. you say that NATO was success, and talking about "Delivering of bombs", but denying tha fact that Serb forces withdrew from Kosovo, after 78 days of NATO "Success" in order with entire techniqe, only after ordered to withdraw. Did NATO found any destroyed tanks? Howmany, 20? 30? Best war capture was M-4 Sherman, near Slatina airport, i belive.

3. After 78 days of war, NATO spokesman Jamie Shea said that "Sqadron of Yugoslav MiGs left Pristina airport.

That was success? It is like fighting Lihtenstein ofr 78 days, claiming victory.

I thank God that US troops in Iraq are not blab-mouth like you, but real-fighting man like they supost to be!

"Delivering payload"
No such thing in real war.


46 posted on 02/04/2006 3:56:32 PM PST by kronos77 (Kosovo I Metohija - "Field of Blackbirds And Land of The Monastry" full official name.)
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To: USNBandit
Apologists for clinton and clark abound on this thread.

In fact, rumor has it that clark's son even comes in in support of bosnains and ALL muslims.

47 posted on 02/04/2006 3:58:43 PM PST by Lion in Winter (only good nazi/fascist is a dead nazi/fascist!!!!)
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To: kronos77

You do realise that your ar giving approximate mininum deployment heights? Cluster munitions are fuzed to allow the payload to be released at predetermined heights. For example the MiG-29 taken out at Nis in May 1999 was taken out from 10,000ft by an aicraft deploying a cluster munition. The cluster munition disperses at a pre-determined height near to the target not at 10,000ft.

Strafing runs with A-10 can be up at 4,000ft and still 80% of the shells will come within 20ft of their target.

The A-10 that left its starboard engine nacelle in Kosovo on 2nd May 1999 was hit by a SAM and not AAA.


48 posted on 02/04/2006 4:00:02 PM PST by Tommyjo
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To: Hoplite

Hoppy, my man, where are up until now?

I got worried that someone is accusing Muslims, and you ar not here to defend them.


49 posted on 02/04/2006 4:00:15 PM PST by kronos77 (Kosovo I Metohija - "Field of Blackbirds And Land of The Monastry" full official name.)
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To: Tommyjo

http://www.balkanpeace.org/lan/ICTY3B.HTM

An Associated Press report of 7 May gave the following account:
"An Associated Press reporter, taken to the scene by Serbian authorities, saw destruction to an entire street near Nis University. One house was completely burned. Dozens of others had their windows blown out and their walls were pierced by what appeared to be fragments of cluster bombs. Several cars were destroyed.
A bit farther, in the Anete Andrejevic street near a market place, three bodies were lying in pools of blood. One was that of an old woman surrounded by pieces of carrots. The other two were men, one dismembered. Unexploded yellow bomblets were scattered over the pavement."
('Milosevic Opens Door to Peace Deal' by George Jahn, The Associated Press, 7 May).




That was that "pinpoint cluster attack"

game, Set, Mach.


50 posted on 02/04/2006 4:05:07 PM PST by kronos77 (Kosovo I Metohija - "Field of Blackbirds And Land of The Monastry" full official name.)
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