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Nurses want self-harmers to be given fresh blades
WorldNetDaily ^ | 2/5/06 | WorldNetDaily

Posted on 02/05/2006 9:43:27 AM PST by wagglebee

A professional nurses group is proposing that "self-harming" patients who are intent on mutilating themselves be given clean blades, bandages and "how-to" advice so they can cut themselves more safely.

The proposal for "safe" self-harm will be debated in April at the Royal College of Nursing (RCN) Congress and is expected to prove controversial.

Current practice mirrors what most people expect of the medical profession – stopping anyone from harming himself and removing any sharp objects that could be used to cut the skin.

According to the National Mental Health Association, self-harm – also termed self-mutilation, self-injury or self-abuse – is defined as the "deliberate, repetitive, impulsive, non-lethal harming of one's self. It includes: 1) cutting, 2) scratching, 3) picking scabs or interfering with wound healing, 4) burning, 5) punching self or objects, 6) infecting oneself, 7) inserting objects in body openings, 8) bruising or breaking bones, 9) some forms of hair-pulling, as well as other various forms of bodily harm. These behaviors, which pose serious risks, may by symptoms of a mental health problem that can be treated."

Maria Church, mother of Charlotte Church, the Welsh singer, recently revealed her 17 years of self-harming behavior. During times of depression, she cuts her arms and stomach with knives and razor blades, and it relieves "unbearable tension" for her, reports the London Times.

It's those like Church advocates of clean blades are hoping to help.

RCN's Jeremy Bore supports the proposal. "We should give patients clean blades and a clean environment to self-harm and then access to good-quality dressings," he said

"My instinct is that it is better to sit with the patient and talk to them while they are self-harming. We should definitely give advice on safer parts of the body to cut. It could get to the stage where we could have a discussion with the patient about how deep the cuts were going to be and how many."

Ian Hulatt, mental health adviser for the RCN, sees a parallel to the similar proposal to give hypodermic needles to drug users to prevent the spread of AIDS through shared needles.

"There is a clear comparison with giving clean needles to reduce HIV," he said. "We will be debating introducing a similar harm-reduction approach. This may well include the provision of clean dressing packs and it may mean providing clean 'sharps'. "Nurses who encounter individuals who self-harm on a regular basis face a dilemma. Do they go for prohibition? Or do we allow this to occur in a way that minimizes harm?"

According to one unnamed source, some nurses already do what is being proposed. "We may not like someone self-harming, but they are going to do it whether we like it or not and we will need to deal with the problems afterwards."

Hulatt is prepared for opposition from others in the profession. "Some nurses will not support this because our code of practice says we should not do patients any harm. But this may be less harmful than patients using dirty implements. There are mental health units that already allow the use of sterile implements."

The UK's Patient Association has come out against the proposal. "Supplying individuals who self-harm with blades cannot be good for them," said the group's director of communications. "Nurses should not be supporting patients to self-harm. By giving self-harmers the tools they need, the nurses could be seen as encouraging individuals to harm themselves. We should be doing something to discourage this behavior."

Research indicates self-harm is most common among girls aged 15 to 19, but rates are reported to be rising among men in their early twenties. For some, the condition continues for decades.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: cultureofdeath; disorders; moralabsolutes; mutilation; psychiatry
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To: ClearCase_guy

Clearly these nurses belong the the Democratic Party.


21 posted on 02/05/2006 10:14:06 AM PST by OldArmy52 (NYC: Proof that New Yorkers learned nothing from 9-11)
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To: jdm

Give them a self loading pistol and tell them to play Roulette.


22 posted on 02/05/2006 10:19:09 AM PST by 308MBR (The only time four doors look cool are when they are on two cars.)
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To: wagglebee
I too have been known to harm myself (hangovers). I should be given fresh beer and liquor. Might I suggest, Whatney's Red Barrel, and Louis XIII.
23 posted on 02/05/2006 10:20:06 AM PST by smug (Tanstaafl)
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To: wagglebee

24 posted on 02/05/2006 10:40:40 AM PST by sweetliberty (Stupidity should make you sterile.)
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To: wagglebee; LaineyDee

Its so totally unbelievable that a person who is supposed to be dedicated to the well being of her patient would advocate such a totally harmful practice


25 posted on 02/05/2006 10:45:44 AM PST by apackof2 (You can stand me up at the gates of hell, I'll stand my ground and I won't back down)
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To: jdm

We are living in the age of insanity.


26 posted on 02/05/2006 10:49:09 AM PST by BenLurkin (O beautiful for patriot dream - that sees beyond the years)
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To: dighton; aculeus

27 posted on 02/05/2006 10:49:44 AM PST by Senator Bedfellow
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To: wagglebee
Statement: "We may not like someone self-harming, but they are going to do it whether we like it or not and we will need to deal with the problems afterwards."

Response: ""We may not like someone committing murder, theft, arson etc, but they are going to do it whether we like it or not...." Therefore, do not attempt to stop any form of undesireable behavior.

28 posted on 02/05/2006 10:50:35 AM PST by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: wagglebee

The flagellants of medeival times may have pointed to a perennial mystery of human nature: the desire to objectify a spiritual pain in physical terms. While I disagree with the typical liberal approach to self harming, it should be considered more seriously than it has been. The article reminds me of Bishop Sheens canard that liberals always attempt to replace morality with hygiene.


29 posted on 02/05/2006 10:51:47 AM PST by TradicalRC (No longer to the right of the Pope...)
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To: apackof2

Sounds like they are just becoming too lazy to keep the areas policed of harmful items. Of course they have to continually battle the patient's rights orgs. too, who have been known to persuade the licensing agencies to require that suicidal patients have access to shoe laces.


30 posted on 02/05/2006 10:52:40 AM PST by tertiary01 (Dems ..the party that repeats history's mistakes over and over and....)
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To: wagglebee

As a follower of BF Skinner all that's really needed is a 2x4 and a strong arm. Smack em with the board several times each time they cut themselves. Tell them that they'll get beat each time they cut themselves. Repeat as necessary.


31 posted on 02/05/2006 11:00:09 AM PST by festus (The constitution may be flawed but its a whole lot better than what we have now.)
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To: wagglebee

Picking at scabs is perfectly natural behavior. Most people try to resist the impulse when they notice themselves starting to do it, but the impulse is natural, I believe, and most children do it.

Stabbing or piercing or cutting yourself with knives is not a natural impulse.

You have to wonder about the common sense of medical professionals who seem unable to tell the difference.


32 posted on 02/05/2006 11:16:29 AM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: TradicalRC

Flagellation is a whole other kettle of fish. Whether or not it is or can be legitimate is certainly disputable. But that's not really what we are talking about here.


33 posted on 02/05/2006 11:18:25 AM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Clintonfatigued

Most people who engage in "cutting" are diagnosed as being mentally ill.


34 posted on 02/05/2006 11:19:10 AM PST by Pan_Yans Wife ("Death is better, a milder fate than tyranny. "--Aeschylus)
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To: wagglebee
How embarrassing.
35 posted on 02/05/2006 11:24:07 AM PST by CindyDawg (I)
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To: Cicero
Flagellation is a whole other kettle of fish.

Perhaps. I believe that it signals an inner desire for some type of spiritual justice. Guilt=pain=punishment=balance or some similar formula. Just positing an hypothesis.

36 posted on 02/05/2006 11:24:31 AM PST by TradicalRC (No longer to the right of the Pope...)
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To: wagglebee
Guess the next thing would be to teach them the most efficient method of suicide so they don't have botched attempts.

Inmates running the asylums.
37 posted on 02/05/2006 11:48:10 AM PST by TASMANIANRED (The Internet is the samizdat of liberty..".Liberty is the right and hope of all humanity"GW Bush)
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To: RepubMommy


38 posted on 02/05/2006 1:56:24 PM PST by Coleus (IMHO, The IVF procedure is immoral & kills many embryos/children and should be outlawed)
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To: wagglebee
"A professional nurses group is proposing that "self-harming" patients who are intent on mutilating themselves be given clean blades, bandages and "how-to" advice so they can cut themselves more safely."

Just like drug addicts should be given clean needles, and children, condoms./sarcasm

The left will never learn and will continue to propose the same tired and insane solutions to societal ills.

39 posted on 02/05/2006 3:27:07 PM PST by TAdams8591 (The first amendment does NOT protect vulgar and obscene speech.)
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To: festus
As a follower of BF Skinner all that's really needed is a 2x4 and a strong arm. Smack em with the board several times each time they cut themselves. Tell them that they'll get beat each time they cut themselves. Repeat as necessary.

This is not funny. "Cutting" is a serious situation. I have a 15 year old son who was raped by a neighbor when he was only 7 years old. We had him in therapy but as he approached adolescence, he began to cut. Someone mentioned earlier that self-harm is an attempt to maintain control, and that is so true. Being in control of his physical pain gave him some semblence of control over his emotional pain.

Self harm happens a lot more than people know. Kids cover their arms and legs with winter clothes to hide it, sometimes for years.

My son is recovering, praise God, but it has been a long hard road for our family. These kids need help, not more abuse.

40 posted on 02/05/2006 5:28:20 PM PST by Desert_Girl (A scar is what happens when the world is made flesh)
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