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Bush faces Congress revolt over spying
Financial Times ^ | Febuary 8 2006

Posted on 02/08/2006 7:39:39 PM PST by jmc1969

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The Libs and Dems do not care about law or logic ,they don't even care if we all get killed over their stupid ideas. They want to be back in power and they hate Bush and everything he touches with an insane passion.


61 posted on 02/08/2006 8:23:34 PM PST by binkdeville
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To: Wasanother

"The President is giving the Rats a little breathing room in order to allow themselves to squirm away from their previous allegations."
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You could be onto something. The Rats have really changed their tune from "IMPEACHMENT" to "OVERSITE" since they discovered that 70%+ Americans support the PRESIDENT.

Bottom line is do we want Judges running our wars or the President? The Rats are stuck in the years 68-72.


62 posted on 02/08/2006 8:24:16 PM PST by wmfights (Lead, Follow, or Get out of the Way!)
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To: jmc1969

Okay, I am putting this out here so I might be able to say I told you so. I call it the Karl Rove longball theory.

In normative political theory President's in off year elections such as 2006 cannot gain seats in Congress. Unusual circumstances must prevail in order for this to happen.

Republicans stand to lose seats in the Senate in a worst case scenario this fall. According to my long ball theory, the Whitehouse is approving this "revolt" to set up a public backlash against Congressional aggression on an issue they clearly cannot win.

Making the Senate the locus of the action centers public anger in the right place for Bush to possibly pick up a seat or two in the Senate which would be a huge success. NSA wiretap keeps terrorism as a key congressional issue and improves Republican chances overall. Presently, opinion polls show 60-70 percent of the public solidly behind the White House's position on wiretaps.

I think the Whitehouse is leaking info to cause Congressional investigations-- perhaps even pretentious impeachment hearings-- which we may recall actually boosted Bill Clinton's approval.

I could be wrong.


63 posted on 02/08/2006 8:25:48 PM PST by lonestar67
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To: MJY1288
I can nor think of anything that we should not do to defeat the enemy if necessary. War is War.
64 posted on 02/08/2006 8:26:48 PM PST by Big Horn (The senate is loaded with scum-baggers)
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To: jmc1969

Did Arelen read the story today about the guy who lived for years in Utah. Married an American girl and was caught in Baghdad with explosives and charged with helping the insurgency? These are the sorts of people the President is hoping he can stop. There are for more than this guy who still live here. Are Jihadist and sitting in sleeper cells waiting to be activated by a phone call.
And Arelen, are you going to explain to America why nobody can live in Cleaveland or some other city for 100's of years because of a dirty bomb, or 100,000's dead due to a biological or chemical weapon?Arlen are you there? Hello?


65 posted on 02/08/2006 8:29:19 PM PST by lexington minuteman 1775
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To: wmfights
"I wonder if the President will sign or veto that legislation." _____________________________ That's what I was wondering. If the Rats and Rino's got something passed and the President refused to sign it then the Congress has no power to force anything.

A simple majority in Congress can bring the nation to a halt. Congress can blackmail Bush.

66 posted on 02/08/2006 8:30:09 PM PST by ozoneliar ("The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants" -T.J.)
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To: jmc1969

Well Bush wanted everyone to vote for Arlen Specter last year, now he is reeping what he sowed. Senator Specter will lead the impeachment if necessary knowing him.

Then we can all call Karl Rove, see dumb ass this is what we said would happen.


67 posted on 02/08/2006 8:31:14 PM PST by TheEaglehasLanded
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To: Big Horn
Amen, I'm all for showing U.S. Troops burying Terrorists among Swine, and cartoons depicting the United States sodomizing their bogus Prophet Mohammad
68 posted on 02/08/2006 8:35:36 PM PST by MJY1288 (THE DEMOCRATS OFFER NOTHING FOR THE FUTURE AND THEY LIE ABOUT THE PAST)
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To: jmc1969

Besides Spector, who else is on this "collision course"?


69 posted on 02/08/2006 8:44:30 PM PST by LiteKeeper (Beware the secularization of America)
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To: Howlin

Excellent work, Howlin!! Bookmarked, saved, and a hugh BTTT!


70 posted on 02/08/2006 8:47:23 PM PST by Chena (I'm not young enough to know everything.)
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To: jmc1969

wonder if Bush has learned his lesson on supporting people like specter?


71 posted on 02/08/2006 8:48:23 PM PST by Walkingfeather
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To: jmc1969

Where's DeLay when we really need him? -- that Rino woman is an embarassment.


72 posted on 02/08/2006 8:50:12 PM PST by Dionysius (ACLU is the enemy)
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To: Lancey Howard
There isn't all that much room for that bunch of clots to 'grow', mate.

Even at that, Fleet Street are marginally more literate and, toss a coin, perhaps less unintelligent than the so-called ''journalist'' thrombotics at the Slimes and the Compost.

No flag-waving here, but the only worthwhile ''journalism'' in Fleet Street these days is page 3 of the Sun.

Even FT have gone off the deep end, although the Economist is occasionally readable (and its readability varies sharply by whether or not the author of any given article is or is not one of their resident quasi-Marxist bozos).

73 posted on 02/08/2006 8:57:27 PM PST by SAJ
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To: jmc1969

Screw Congress....the so-called peoples' representatives. Ask Americans what they want.


74 posted on 02/08/2006 8:59:39 PM PST by daybreakcoming (May God bless those who enter the valley of the shadow of death so that we may see the light of day.)
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To: wmfights
Not so, my friend. This procedure is thoroughly described in the Constitution.

If the President refuses to either sign or to veto a bill passed by both houses of the Regress, said bill becomes law in 10 days' time -- UNLESS the Regress have passed the bill within 10 days of the end of the Regressional session, in which case the President may ignore said bill (this is the so-called 'pocket veto').

If that latter condition is not met, the President must specifically veto said bill, or else it will become lawful statute by his failing to veto after 10 days.

75 posted on 02/08/2006 9:04:13 PM PST by SAJ
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To: jmc1969

It is things like this that continue to lead me to tell RNC telemarketers that I will not send the RNC a dime.


76 posted on 02/08/2006 9:44:58 PM PST by taxesareforever (Government is running amuck)
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To: jmc1969
In the end, the revelation will be that the FISA court's powers are unconstitutional [ie; established by congress but contradictory to the presidential powers]

The Supremes will rule against FISA [versus presidential powers], IF...they follow the constitution.

77 posted on 02/09/2006 4:30:36 AM PST by harpu ( "...it's better to be hated for who you are than loved for someone you're not!")
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To: JennysCool
Congress is revolting, all right.

Yes it is ............... revolting.

As William Bendix in "The Life of Riley" used to say, "What a revolting developement this is!"

78 posted on 02/09/2006 5:25:48 AM PST by beyond the sea (Cal Thomas: If only Robert Bork had cried ...................)
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To: jmc1969

I don't believe 'civil liberties' have a damn thing to do with anything. Perhaps they want in on the action to claim 'credit' for the war on terror. The demoRATS have been shown to be wishy/ washy on National Security so if they can change the public belief that they cannot be really trusted with National Security ... its a win win.
If it leaks out (which it will) whats the big deal, nothing ventured , nothing gained. They have nothing to loose because Bush is getting the credit for the effective war on terror (no attacks on US soil) so if he's damaged ..... so what. If the RAT's can take some of the credit ...(yes they truly have dreams) then it will be worth it. The citizens of the Nation will come out on the loosing end when 'Congress and the Senate' is briefed because it WILL BE LEAKED, therefore lose it's effectiveness, expose the Nation to further terrorism.


79 posted on 02/09/2006 8:34:36 AM PST by IrishMike
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To: wmfights

maybe Congress resents the President's power to protect us through the Constitution.


80 posted on 02/10/2006 5:41:49 PM PST by Revererdrv
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