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The Worst-Case Scenario
CBS News, 60 Minutes ^ | 01.29.06

Posted on 02/11/2006 2:35:31 PM PST by Coleus

 


(CBS) We can no longer ignore the worst-case scenario of a nuclear terrorist attack on an American city. Osama bin Laden has made it clear he wants to obtain nuclear weapons and use them against us.

The 9/11 Commission considers such an attack the No. 1 threat today, not because it’s the most likely disaster scenario, but because it would be the most devastating. The chairman of the 9/11 Commission even says he expects to see such an attack on an American city in his lifetime.

Hundreds of thousand of people could die in a nuclear attack, but hundreds of thousands of others could be saved. That’s because the Pentagon — after decades of searching — believes it has found a drug to treat radiation exposure. Why isn’t that drug available?

Correspondent Ed Bradley reports.

What would happen if terrorists managed to detonate a nuclear device in a major U.S. city? Hundreds of thousands of people would suffer from acute radiation exposure. They would be at long-term risk of developing cancer, but most deaths would be from damage to the bone marrow, infections and internal bleeding.

Pentagon scientists discovered a possible treatment for radiation sickness after testing a drug made by Hollis-Eden, a small biotech company in San Diego.  "In the summer of 2001, the military came and visited us and they said, 'You know we’ve been testing your drug and we’ve been looking for a drug like this for 40 years,' " says Bob Marsella, the company’s vice president.

Was the military interested in the drug for troops?

"Yes," says Marsella. "Two weeks after 9/11, they came and visited us again and said, 'We’d like to develop this now, not only for troops but for civilians.' "  Hollis-Eden’s drug, Neumune, was not FDA-approved, but the Pentagon had been testing it on mice, dogs and monkeys, where it stopped the lethal bleeding and infections caused by radiation exposure.

The Pentagon decided the drug was in a class by itself and stated in a letter to 60 Minutes: “NEUMUNE … seems to be the most efficacious, least toxic and most comprehensive in its effects.”  "And then we started to look at the impact a nuclear bomb would have on a city and how many people would be exposed and potentially use this product," Marsella says. "And we started looking at the numbers. They were staggering. They were in the millions of doses, so we thought to ourselves, this could potentially be a very big market."

Marsella and his boss, Richard Hollis, knew it was a market with only one initial buyer: the U.S. government. They had to convince potential investors that Washington would spend hundreds of millions of dollars to buy their drug.   "We started circulating in Washington, and there was a lot of support for a medical countermeasure that could save human lives in the event there’s a nuclear 9/11," says Hollis.

"But we couldn’t get it funded," he says. "So we were here in Washington trying to figure out how we were going to get it done and, coincidentally, we were here for the State of the Union when the president addressed it."   "I ask you tonight to add to our future security with a major research and production effort to guard our people against bio-terrorism called Project Bioshield," President Bush said during his 2003 speech.

"Project Bioshield" provided nearly $6 billion to create a biodefense industry. The program gave drug companies a powerful incentive to come up with new drugs to be used in the event of terrorist attacks. For the first time, there would be a guaranteed market for drugs if they tested successfully. It was the assurance Hollis-Eden had been waiting for.

"So you have a partner in the Pentagon?" Bradley says.   "Yes," Hollis says.

"You’ve got a drug that you think is ahead of everyone else’s drug," says Bradley. "You’ve got a bill, Bioshield, that says we will invite you to participate and provide money for you. So that looks like everything’s coming up roses for you."

"That’s what the investors saw," Hollis says.

With the prospect of a huge market, investors put money in the company and Hollis-Eden’s stock soared from $5 to $35 a share.   "The investors looked at our data, and knew we had a very encouraging drug," says Marsella. "Nobody argued the science. It was very effective in non-human primates. So you put two and two together. You invest in the company. The government’s going to buy your drug. The investor’s going to make money. We’re going to deliver a drug to the American people that’s going to protect them, and we’re going to be better off."
 
Over the next three years, Hollis-Eden spent more than $100 million, with the expectation that the government would buy millions of doses.

Finally, last September, the Department of Health & Human Services surprised everyone by announcing that it would commit to purchase a radiation drug from whichever company had the best product, but only 100,000 doses.

No one expected the order to be that small.

"Our stock plummeted. We went to $5 a share. And we were shocked and surprised because we just couldn’t see how they could come to that decision," Marsella says.  No one knows where a terrorist strike might take place, but there are dozens of U.S. cities with populations large enough to be plausible targets.   Drugs would need to be stockpiled in every city, according to Lee Hamilton, Vice Chairman of the 9/11 Commission.

"A hundred thousand doses is not nearly enough," he says. "If you really had a major attack you probably would need much more than that. One estimate we made was that we’d need 10 million doses."   Who made the decision to buy 100,000 doses instead of 10 million? It was Stewart Simonson, the man who oversees Project Bioshield. Simonson is a Republican political appointee who, before running Project Bioshield, was a lawyer for Amtrak. Republicans as well as Democrats have criticized his management of the program.

"Secretary Simonson just appears to be over his head on this particular issue," says Rep. Tom Davis, a Virginia Republican, who chairs the committee that oversees Project Bioshield.   Davis, who usually supports the administration, is taking the unusual step of calling in this story for Simonson’s removal from Bioshield.   He says Simonson lacks the necessary technical and scientific background, and compares him to Michael Brown, the former FEMA director who resigned after Hurricane Katrina.

"Oh, I think that we’re seeing the same kind of issues," says Davis. "Michael Brown had been before our committee prior to Katrina and exhibited the same kind of arrogance, a lack of expertise. This is a serious job at this point, and I think we need to have professionals filling it, not political appointees."   Asked if he thinks Simonson is up to the job, Davis says, "To date he’s been singularly unimpressive in this particular area."

Would he fire Simonson if it was his decision to make?  "I would transfer him out of this. I wouldn’t have him handling this program," says Davis.   Assistant Secretary Simonson has been under fire for committing nearly a billion dollars to acquire a controversial new anthrax vaccine, but he has been given credit for successfully stockpiling drugs for smallpox.   Simonson declined 60 Minutes' request for an interview, but his deputy, Dr. William Raub, was made available. Raub defended his boss.

"When he worked for Amtrak, one of his major responsibilities was terrorist threats against the rail industry. He’s brought a considerable background and expertise and he’s provided strong leadership," he said.   Why did the government decide to buy only 100,000 does to treat acute radiation syndrome?   "Well this is the place to start and we don’t see 100,000 as the end, we see 100,000 as the beginning," says Raub.   "So, if you order 100,000 and there’s a nuclear explosion … when do you get the rest of them?" asks Bradley.   "Again, we take this a step at a time. First off, we need agents that we can be sure will work," Raub replies.   "If we were told four years ago, Ed, that they were only going to buy 100,000 doses, we would have never developed this drug," says Marsella.

But HHS said the initial 100,000-dose order was just a starting point.

"They’re supposed to create a market, not a starting point," says Marsella. "If they were going to buy tanks for the military would they just buy one tank, or would they buy 100 tanks? And I think that the contractor would have a hard time spending all the money and research and not have a guarantee that they’re going to buy more than one tank."   "But they’re not saying, 'We’re only going to buy 100,000 doses.' They’re saying, 'This is where we’re going to start,'" Bradley says.

"How much more are they going to buy, Ed? Do we know that?" says Marsella. "Are they going to say they’re going to buy millions more? See, they won’t commit to that."   "The thing that must be understood here is the urgency of the problem," says Lee Hamilton. "We don’t have an unlimited amount of time here. We know that it is possible to have a nuclear attack very soon, and we must not go about business as usual."
 
Even though the Department of Health & Human Services hasn’t committed to buy Hollis-Eden’s drug, the Pentagon continues to endorse it.

Furthermore, the Pentagon’s chief radiologist wrote 60 Minutes that: "One of the most desirable features of Neumune" is that it "could be self-administered without physician supervision in a disaster scenario."   The drug could be in a cartridge with a needle. You could inject it in your thigh.   Marsella says having a drug that people can administer themselves was the whole idea.   "We need something that’s safe enough that we can distribute to people even in their homes," he says.   Assistant Secretary Simonson seems to be going in a different direction. He wrote a letter to Congress emphasizing that nuclear victims bleeding to death could be treated in hospitals.

Asked if he thinks hospitals would be able to handle the load of patients in such an event, Simonson’s deputy, Raub, says, "There would be hospital capacity that would be able to treat a substantial portion of that load. By no means would there be the ability to treat all of it, and therefore that’s what makes it a catastrophe."

"I talked to one of the top hematologists in this country this morning, and he said that he thought his facility, his hospital, would be able to handle maybe dozens of people, that’s it," says Bradley. "And I think if you’re looking at radiation exposure, you’re looking at more than dozens of people, you’re talking about hundreds of thousands in a place like New York or Washington, Chicago, Los Angeles."

"But no one has ever claimed a perfect response here," says Raub.   Relying on hospitals is far from a perfect solution according to the Pentagon. They wrote to 60 Minutes: "In the event of a radiation disaster the overwhelming majority of radiation victims will not have access to medical personnel."  But Raub says people can be evacuated to hospitals in the surrounding area.   "Do you imagine what it would be like evacuate New York City?" Bradley asks.    "Yes, I understand that. But, also, this is a catastrophe and I think people would do their very best on under those circumstances," Raub replies.

"Whose going to drive the buses?" asks Marsella. "If you have 450,000 people that are in a radioactively contaminated area possibly with acute radiation syndrome, how are you possibly going to deal with that many people when you just saw in Katrina that we had a hard time getting people food and water?"   Hollis-Eden’s executives believe Bioshield has been managed so badly they’ve decided to do what companies who have to deal with the government almost never do: publicly criticize the very same officials on whom their future depends.   "It is now four years after 9/11, why is this drug not a top priority to be deployed to protect the American public," Hollis said during testimony.

"I’ve personally testified five times now in front of various committees indicating the fact that if it’s not implemented properly with the right leadership that this very important piece of legislation, in my opinion, was going to fail," says Hollis.   Hollis-Eden’s executives say that if the government had done its part, their drug could have been ready for market this year. Instead, they’re now struggling to keep their company going.   "It’s just so frustrating because you’ve got nothing but duck and cover, and duct tape and plastic in the past 60 years," says Marsella. "And then you try to come out with a countermeasure that the Department of Defense is supporting. And HHS tells you, 'Well, we don’t really need it. We’re just going to put everyone in the hospital.' "   Without a government contract, their drug to treat acute radiation sickness may never see the light of day.

What happens to companies like Hollis-Eden if the government fails to recognize it, and they don’t get those incentives?   "What happens is that they fold up," says Rep. Davis.  But it’s not Hollis-Eden’s future that most concerns Davis. He says that HHS is playing a dangerous game.    "Ultimately, you’re betting that we don’t have a terrorist attack and that we’ll be able to catch up by that time. That’s the gamble," Davis says.   How far behind are we?   "I think years from where we ought to be," he says.   "What I want to see is a president of the United States and a secretary of HHS saying 'This is my No. 1 priority," says Lee Hamilton. "The No. 1 threat to the safety and security of the American people is the possibility of a nuclear attack of some kind, and it should be at the top of my priorities. That’s what I want to hear."   And he doesn't see that today?   "I do not see that," Hamilton says.



TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: 109th; 60minutes; alqaedanukes; cbsnews; hhs; jihadinamerica; preparedness; projectbioshield; radiationsickness; tomdavis
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Radiation sickness drug could save thousands
1 posted on 02/11/2006 2:35:33 PM PST by Coleus
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2 posted on 02/11/2006 2:35:45 PM PST by Coleus (IMHO, The IVF procedure is immoral & kills many embryos/children and should be outlawed)
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To: Coleus

Would "best case scenario" place CBS at ground zero?


3 posted on 02/11/2006 2:37:17 PM PST by joonbug
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To: Coleus

Mecca assured destruction. MAD.


4 posted on 02/11/2006 2:40:59 PM PST by Paladin2 (If the political indictment's from Fitz, the jury always acquits.)
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To: joonbug
Would "best case scenario" place CBS at ground zero?

Only if it included ABC, NBC, CNN, and NPR.

5 posted on 02/11/2006 2:41:31 PM PST by Rocko (Liberals -- they have a compassion you always hear about, but never witness.)
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To: Coleus

This is raw stock tooting by Sixty Minutes. 100,000 acute cases of rad posioning is a lot more than small nuclear device would deliver even if set off in Union City NJ -- imo.


6 posted on 02/11/2006 2:41:44 PM PST by bvw
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To: joonbug
Would "best case scenario" place CBS at ground zero?

Unlikely. The CBS building is also known as Black Rock, and of course the muslims worship a black rock. The two have much in common.

7 posted on 02/11/2006 2:41:52 PM PST by gotribe (Hillary: Accessory to Rape)
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To: Coleus

SHUUUUUUUSH!! CBS....your scaring Hilderbeast


8 posted on 02/11/2006 2:42:20 PM PST by Doogle (USAF...8thAF...4077th TFW...408th MMS...Ubon Thailand..."69"..Night Line Delivery,AMMO)
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To: Coleus; Chieftain

Am I sure I want to be 'saved" and be around for what follows in this country after an attack? What a F...g nitemare. And our congress is just a ship of Fools. I am so depressed I am going out to get ice cream.


9 posted on 02/11/2006 2:42:56 PM PST by Recovering Ex-hippie (I am soooo sick of Oprah!!!! Oprah, STFU !)
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To: Coleus
Democrats and a few Republicans are hell-bent on welcoming this kind of calamity!

It's not fair listening to the terrorists' cell phone calls.

Why doesn't Congress just make a law requiring every other American to be beheaded by Christmas!?

10 posted on 02/11/2006 2:44:26 PM PST by CROSSHIGHWAYMAN (expell the fat arrogant carcasses of Congress)
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To: Coleus

Ping for later reading.


11 posted on 02/11/2006 2:44:52 PM PST by Alexander Rubin (Octavius - You make my heart glad building thus, as if Rome is to be eternal.)
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To: Coleus
>That’s because the Pentagon — after decades of searching — believes it has found a drug to treat radiation exposure. Why isn’t that drug available?

So, the Pentagon
knocks on your door, and they want
to give you a shot.

How many Freepers
are gonna roll up their sleeves
and get injected?!

12 posted on 02/11/2006 2:45:44 PM PST by theFIRMbss
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To: Coleus
Would he fire Simonson if it was his decision to make? "I would transfer him out of this. I wouldn’t have him handling this program,"

Typical Government response.... Never fire the worthless SOB, just promote him "out of the department"....

13 posted on 02/11/2006 2:45:50 PM PST by dirtbiker (I've tried to see the liberal point of view, but I couldn't get my head that far up my a$$....)
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To: Coleus

Even the worst case scenario isn't all that bad...

1) Muslims nuke a major city (most are predominantly democratic bastions)
2) The attack results in fewer DUmmies to steal elections/cause crime/murder the unborn/vote for socialists/live off the government teat.
3) We "honor their memory" by nuking Mecca.

I can live with that.


14 posted on 02/11/2006 2:47:23 PM PST by Triggerhippie (Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose.)
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To: Coleus

I suggest they hit San Francisco, Vermont, or Massataxus.


15 posted on 02/11/2006 2:50:46 PM PST by right right
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To: Coleus

Yeah, but for Howard Dean and the rest of the DefeatoCrats, the "Worst Case Scenario" is really the "Best Case Scenario" because a nuclear terrorist attack opens up the door to all sorts of political opportunities in which the 'Rats can blame the Republican Party for a "miserable failure" (thank YOU Dick Gephardt) in allowing such an attack to take place, you can bet your last dime that while Red Cross teams are trying to save lives, the 'Rat Party will be trying to assess their chances for seizing power at the earliest opportunity.

Cynical? Not at all. This is based on the proven behavior of the Wellstoners and King "mourners" who have demonstrated what their priorities are.


16 posted on 02/11/2006 2:50:51 PM PST by mkjessup (The Shah doesn't look so bad now, eh? But nooo, Jimmah said the Ayatollah was a 'godly' man.)
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To: CROSSHIGHWAYMAN
Why doesn't Congress just make a law requiring every other American to be beheaded by Christmas!?

Sorry. That law would honor the "Winter Holiday."

17 posted on 02/11/2006 2:51:00 PM PST by Rocko (Liberals -- they have a compassion you always hear about, but never witness.)
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To: Coleus

18 posted on 02/11/2006 2:53:16 PM PST by sono (Ted Kennedy's naming his dog Splash is like Jack Abramoff naming his dog Bribe.)
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To: Coleus

"We can no longer ignore the worst-case scenario of a nuclear terrorist attack on an American city."




Hmmmmm... I don't think the rest of us have been doing that. Only the media and the Congress.


19 posted on 02/11/2006 2:56:17 PM PST by Brilliant
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To: Coleus
BUTT CBS, NYT, TWP, ABC, NBC, CNN, LAT, ACLU, Bob Barr and the left wing say we should not monitor the terrorist without a warrant. So we can do nothing if the judge says NO and the enemy is laughing at the idiots who say we cannot monitor them.

DUMB, DUMB, DUMB
20 posted on 02/11/2006 2:57:44 PM PST by YOUGOTIT
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To: bvw

(it stopped the lethal bleeding and infections caused by radiation exposure.)

"This is raw stock tooting by Sixty Minutes"

I think so, too, esp if the statement from the article is all this drug is known to do. Radiation sickness is complex, whether from a detonation or just particles....


21 posted on 02/11/2006 2:59:13 PM PST by Vn_survivor_67-68
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To: Triggerhippie

Why not just cut out the middle man, avoid the "Ramadan rush", and nuke Mecca NOW?


22 posted on 02/11/2006 3:01:18 PM PST by WayneS (Follow the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th)
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To: right right

Actually, the correct name of that particular Commonwealth is Taxachusetts.


23 posted on 02/11/2006 3:03:07 PM PST by WayneS (Follow the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th)
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To: joonbug

There is no "best case scenario" for a nuke on nuclear soil. To even joke about it being good if it took out media outlets you don't like is reprehensible.


24 posted on 02/11/2006 3:05:01 PM PST by jude24 ("Thy law is written on the hearts of men, which iniquity itself effaces not." - St. Augustine)
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To: WayneS
Why not just cut out the middle man, avoid the "Ramadan rush", and nuke Mecca NOW?

Because Mecca has done nothing meriting the annihilation of every man, woman, and child in a city held holy by one-third of the world's population.

Nuke Mecca, and this will be a war on Islam, and not just Islamic radical terrorism. Even every nominal Muslim would rightfully condemn us.

This "nuke Mecca" bullcrap shows that behind the thin veneer of tolerence, at the end, too many "conservatives" are just bigots.

25 posted on 02/11/2006 3:08:36 PM PST by jude24 ("Thy law is written on the hearts of men, which iniquity itself effaces not." - St. Augustine)
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To: jude24

Please do not reply to any more of my sarcastic postings with your self-righteous, condescending gibberish.

Who are you to label people whom you have never met as reprehensible or bigoted simply because they choose to make jokes about a serious issue?

Thank you.

PS - For future reference, I will make jokes about ANYTHING I want to make jokes about. If you do not like it you can go to the hot place.


26 posted on 02/11/2006 3:16:55 PM PST by WayneS (Follow the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th)
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To: Coleus

Maybe I'm an idiot here, but why does the GOVERNMENT need to purchase said drug? Why can't individuals purchase it themselves, through their doctors? Why do we need to go through the government for this? Will Big Brother buy the duct tape for everyone's windows, too?


27 posted on 02/11/2006 3:17:27 PM PST by Yaelle (in their effort not to demonize humans, Spielberg and Kushner end up humanizing demons)
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To: Yaelle

You mean you haven't received your 2006 Federal duct tape subsidy yet?

I just got mine yesterday, and as soon as the snow stops Im gonna be one tapin' fool!


28 posted on 02/11/2006 3:21:05 PM PST by WayneS (Follow the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th)
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To: WayneS
Who are you to label people whom you have never met as reprehensible or bigoted simply because they choose to make jokes about a serious issue?

I did not say you were reprehensible - I said your joke was. There's a key difference.

29 posted on 02/11/2006 3:23:11 PM PST by jude24 ("Thy law is written on the hearts of men, which iniquity itself effaces not." - St. Augustine)
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To: CROSSHIGHWAYMAN

The drug is AVAILABLE.....just not to moonbats......LOL


30 posted on 02/11/2006 3:31:01 PM PST by Youngman442002
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To: jude24

Actually, it was the other person you called reprehensible.

You called ME a bigot. And a "conservative".

I'm SURE the first description is inaccurate, and if George W. Bush is a "conservative" then I'm not sure I'm one of those either. Actually, I'm more of a "Compassionate Libertarian with a juvenile sense of humor"... I think.


31 posted on 02/11/2006 3:31:54 PM PST by WayneS (Follow the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th)
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To: jude24
Nuke Mecca, and this will be a war on Islam

Wake up and smell the embers, brother. They've already fired a few salvos in this war. The sooner people realize what is at stake (Western Civilization) the sooner we can win this war against the savages.

Bigotry? HA! That's a hoot! Try "war for survival from Sharia". BTW "Moderate Muslim" is an oxymoron like "Jumbo Shrimp", "Military Intelligence", and "Civil Libertarian."

32 posted on 02/11/2006 3:32:02 PM PST by Triggerhippie (Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose.)
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To: WayneS
Why not just cut out the middle man, avoid the "Ramadan rush", and nuke Mecca NOW?

Actually now would be bad timing. Mecca would be a better target during the hajj.

33 posted on 02/11/2006 3:34:03 PM PST by Triggerhippie (Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose.)
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To: jude24
"Nuke Mecca, and this will be a war on Islam, and not just Islamic radical terrorism."

If you wish to inhabit your fantasy-world, where most Muslims are "good" and a "small percentage" are giving Islam a "bad name", you are more than welcome.

Fortunately, each day, intelligent people are coming to the valid conclusion that Islam is not a religion at all, but a violent, fascist political philosophy, with "Allah" taking the place of "The Fatherland".

Cities are going to burn in this war and tens of millions are going to die. I would rather it be them, and the sooner, the better.

34 posted on 02/11/2006 3:35:37 PM PST by 10mm
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To: theFIRMbss

It depends, Was downtown houston just vaporized? Then Yes.


35 posted on 02/11/2006 3:37:56 PM PST by spikeytx86 (Beware the Democratic party has been over run by CRAB PEOPLE!)
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To: jude24; All

I am so glad you posted your thoughts on this. These "islam" must be destroyed threads are really tiresome, depressing, and frightning. Hey everyone that wants to NUKE mecca please give me some sort of moral Christian reasoning that would justify that. I swear there was a whole thread on here where everyone most were in agreement that the moslems were the ones burning churches in rural alabama for goodness sake.
If people dont like Islam engage in the marketplace of ideas. MUch of the Arab world has satelite dishes you can get the message out.
Soon there is going to a mosque bombed in the US and a lot of innocent people are going to get killed if some of the overblown talk doesnt get calmed down. We should be preparing our Arab allies for a possible attack on Iran not dishing Islam every 5 seconds.
Also, and I am not trying to defuse peoples speech here. I am against hate crime legislation. I support Denmark competly. BUt if some Mosque or Islamic school is bombed because of escalation of "hate" then dont be suprised if certain Federal agenices come and look at the archives of conversations that are held here.


36 posted on 02/11/2006 3:38:34 PM PST by bayourant
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To: jude24
Why not just cut out the middle man, avoid the "Ramadan rush", and nuke Mecca NOW? Because Mecca has done nothing meriting the annihilation of every man, woman, and child in a city held holy by one-third of the world's population.

Nuke Mecca, and this will be a war on Islam, and not just Islamic radical terrorism. Even every nominal Muslim would rightfully condemn us.

This "nuke Mecca" bullcrap shows that behind the thin veneer of tolerence, at the end, too many "conservatives" are just bigots.

Actually this just shows that many here have read Sun Tsu's Art of War and Karl Von Clausewitz's On War and understand the principles contained therein.

37 posted on 02/11/2006 3:39:10 PM PST by MrEdd
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To: 10mm; Jim Robinson
Fortunately, each day, intelligent people are coming to the valid conclusion that Islam is not a religion at all, but a violent, fascist political philosophy, with "Allah" taking the place of "The Fatherland".

Jim, do you want this to be an anti-Islamic hate site?

End this now. It reflects poorly on conservatives. It makes us look like we're all members of the KKK.

38 posted on 02/11/2006 3:40:21 PM PST by jude24 ("Thy law is written on the hearts of men, which iniquity itself effaces not." - St. Augustine)
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To: Yaelle
Because very few people will be buying a Rad. Poison Treatment before a nuke attack. The government needs to buy large amounts of the drug to stockpile them in case of an attack. It's a matter of national security, its one of the few things the Feds. should actually be doing.
39 posted on 02/11/2006 3:41:20 PM PST by spikeytx86 (Beware the Democratic party has been over run by CRAB PEOPLE!)
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To: Triggerhippie

"I can live with that."

You know, your post makes a lot of sense. If it really did happen......and as long as we really did nuke Mecca in retaliation.....I probably could live with it too.


40 posted on 02/11/2006 3:43:50 PM PST by Dazedcat
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie
I am so depressed I am going out to get ice cream.

Probably more efficacious than most anti-radiation treatments and at least it's tasty. If there is a nuke attack, the diet is off and I break out my own personal quart of Rocky Road.

41 posted on 02/11/2006 3:43:52 PM PST by 6SJ7
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To: WayneS
We have the means to completely annihilate our enemies, but lack the will to do so.

The enemy has the will to annihilate us, but lacks the means.

It is a race to see who gets what first.

42 posted on 02/11/2006 3:45:14 PM PST by 10mm
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To: Coleus
The 9/11 Commission considers such an attack the No. 1 threat today, not because it’s the most likely disaster scenario, but because it would be the most devastating.

I suspect there are things these terrorists could do that would be comparatively destructive to a nuke (and much less costly). The powers that be need to be using their imaginations.

43 posted on 02/11/2006 3:46:26 PM PST by The Duke
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To: theFIRMbss
Unless I've large chunks
of hair falling from my head,
not a chance in hell.

At that point I'll think
I'm already a dead man,
So it won't matter.

This far in the woods
there are few worthy targets
I have naught to fear.
44 posted on 02/11/2006 3:57:37 PM PST by Dr.Zoidberg (Mohammedism - Bringing you only the best of the 6th century for fourteen hundred years.)
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To: Yaelle
Maybe I'm an idiot here, but why does the GOVERNMENT need to purchase said drug? >>

because they said they would (and after the taxpayers, who bought stock, and this company spent $100 million developing the drug the US Govt. decided to buy only 100,000 doses where there are 300 million living in the USA. I wonder how the govt. will decide which 100,000 people are worthy enough to get the drug.

Then why does the GOVERNMENT buy influenza vaccines and distribute them?

Remember it was the very idiotic, inept and ill-prepared United States GOVERNMENT who actually suggested we buy duct tape to protect ourselves from anthrax and other weapons of mass destruction, LOL.
45 posted on 02/11/2006 3:59:40 PM PST by Coleus (IMHO, The IVF procedure is immoral & kills many embryos/children and should be outlawed)
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To: Dazedcat

What? Can you explain to me how nuking Saudi Arabi and have fallout all over parts the middle east is justifyed if we get attacked. I dont get it. We are not dealing with the Russans here. These people envision bringing on Armaganddon. They would be pleased to have a nuclear exchange for instance with Pakstain Nuclear weapons which would s happen after that Govt fell after we nuked Mecca. Whats a vital response for them The Vatican?


46 posted on 02/11/2006 4:00:27 PM PST by bayourant
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To: Coleus
If "Red Star Rogue" is correct The Worst-Case Scenario, a nuclear attack on the US, already happened. On March 7, 1968 a highly placed, but not ruling, renegade clique within the USSR attempted to nuke Pearl Harbor and frame Mao for it. And we thus know what a Democrat President would do in that case. Hide that it ever happened. If the book's reading of what's known is correct we have the foresight of a Republican President to thank for the attack's failure. Thank you, Ike, for leaking fail safe technology in the 50s. It kept 50 stars on the flag. The subsequent Republican President, Nixon, used this as diplomatic leverage against the USSR in general and told Breznev enough so he could pull the clique's teeth.

If the book is correct than now is the time for the secret to become known. So we realize that small groups of powerful nut cases are capable and willing to nuke us. If Yuri Andropov, as the head of the KGB, and his mentor Suslov, the top Soviet ideologue, did it; we can't discount that the head of Iran and their top Mullahs would do it. They might not fail.

47 posted on 02/11/2006 4:00:59 PM PST by JohnBovenmyer
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To: Coleus
Hundreds of thousand of people could die in a nuclear attack, but hundreds of thousands of others could be saved.

Lets concentrate on stopping said nuclear bomb detonating in the first place, and not setting the ground for post nuclear lawyer trust funds.

48 posted on 02/11/2006 4:02:06 PM PST by operation clinton cleanup
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To: Coleus
Does Ed Bradley hold Hollis-Eden stock?
49 posted on 02/11/2006 4:06:20 PM PST by operation clinton cleanup
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To: spikeytx86
its one of the few things the Feds. should actually be doing.

True, but the taxpayers should insist that cost overruns be kept no worse than the norm for national security expenditures... There should be big volume discounts. Not only would we need a lot for an attack, but the stuff won't have an infinite shelf life, so we'll be restocking this (or a new and improved version) periodically. Lawsuits should be prohibited if the government stockpile is actually used, thus holding down the drug company's risk and costs. Now if they want to further develop a commercial product for radiation damage of other sorts, e.g. late side effects of cancer therapy, then the normal rules apply for that separately.

50 posted on 02/11/2006 4:14:57 PM PST by JohnBovenmyer
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