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A New Hollywood: It is Possible
Steve Frank's California Political News and Views ^ | February 14, 2006 | Steve Finefrock (intro by Steve Frank)

Posted on 02/14/2006 6:24:15 PM PST by EveningStar

"Right Turn on Sunset":Prequel to a Documentary...

...[Conservatives] don't need to be a majority in Hollywood to make a Big Difference in the entertainment influence that gets to the TV and silver screen. A healthy third of this towne will do nicely; it's just that most conservatives don't even know how many of their own red-state kind are all around, for they are all silent as lambs, for fear of losing their job, income, health insurance, children's college fund...

(Excerpt) Read more at capoliticalnews.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Editorial; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: blacklist; conservativecinema; hollywood; hollywoodblacklist; liberalelites; mediabias

1 posted on 02/14/2006 6:24:18 PM PST by EveningStar
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To: WinOne4TheGipper; Borges; Howlin; Xenalyte; SevenofNine; veronica; onyx; Clemenza; Petronski; ...

misc ping


2 posted on 02/14/2006 6:27:10 PM PST by EveningStar
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To: lainie; BurbankKarl; DoctorZIn; seenenuf; RonDog; abigail2; StoneColdGOP; SevenofNine; ...

SoCal ping


3 posted on 02/14/2006 6:28:25 PM PST by EveningStar
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To: EveningStar
Fine. Just break the grip of the Left on Hollywood. Return it to people of the quality of Bob Hope, Marlene Dietrich, Henry Fonda. Get rid of the decadent, dishonest, disgusting Leftists. And I might start watching movies again.

Meanwhile, Hollywood can go to the devil for all I... Uh...well...er... It has; that's the problem!

4 posted on 02/14/2006 6:30:48 PM PST by Savage Beast (9/11 was never repeated--thanks to President Bush and his surveillance program.)
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To: Savage Beast

The full article is pretty interesting, if a bit optimistic.


5 posted on 02/14/2006 6:33:39 PM PST by EveningStar
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To: EveningStar; All

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MEL's -PASSION- sparked by -WE WERE SOLDIERS-

http://www.Freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1085111/posts

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6 posted on 02/14/2006 6:38:46 PM PST by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: EveningStar

Hollywood is going to go from a black hole to a bright, shining light, when God gets finished with it. Watch in awe and wonder when God "pours out His Spirit on all flesh." Its going to make all so called "revivals" look like a tinker toy convention.


7 posted on 02/14/2006 6:39:42 PM PST by HisKingdomWillAbolishSinDeath (My Homeland Security: Isaiah 54:17 No weapon that is formed against thee shall prosper)
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To: ALOHA RONNIE

Now that Star Wars is finished I don't really see myself wasting $7.50 to line the pockets of anti-American hollyweird ingrates ever again.


8 posted on 02/14/2006 6:41:43 PM PST by manglor
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To: EveningStar

At first, I was renting less and less videos because the quality of contemporary movies stinks. But over the past 4 years, I just decided "screw 'em", they're not getting any more of my money.

We are at war, and if Hollywood can't make a few movies that cater to the majority of Americans who think that Islamic extremism poses a grave threat to our security, then I'm not interested in anything else these liberal writers, directors and actors have to offer.

There were tons of patriotic WWII movies. So if today's Hollywood moguls think that those old war movies were something that we should either laugh at or be ashamed of, and that the only credible war movies are the ones that are directed by the likes of Oliver Stone or Steven Spielberg, which trash our military, they need to have Middle America give them the middle finger.

Let the big city pseudo intellectuals keep them in business.


9 posted on 02/14/2006 6:48:40 PM PST by The Fop (They attacked 2 of America's main arteries, so we invaded the heart of Arabia. It's that simple)
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To: Savage Beast
I've had a theory about Hollywood for a while. Look around locally, at the high schools, colleges and local theaters. Who are the actors? There are a few normal joes, a few sorority and frat types, but mostly they're the goth, punk, flamboyant people who don't really fit in. The skinny kids in the super baggy jeans and t-shirts, smoking behind the gym. Some of them go to theater because it's almost a guaranteed A, some go there because it's a place where no matter how goofy they act, nobody will rip on them.

Now, think about getting out of high school or college, having little money, and deciding you're going to go to Hollywood to break into movies or television. Most people will tell you flatly, it's not a rational dream. At any point in time, probably 95% of all actors are out of work. Even after you hit the top, you can hit the basement in an hour. Anybody heard anything from the three boys who were the sons on Home Improvement lately? Every one of them talked about projects they were going to do when Home Improvement ended. But they apparently couldn't get work. So who goes there? Basically three types of people. First, the emotionally unstable. These are the people so desperate for cheers and approval that they would do ANYTHING to get it. Second, the people who hate where they are, hate small town or midwest or suburban America so much that they'd risk anything to get away. The third are the predators. They're the ones who take advantage of the other two. They're the manipulators, the sex freaks, and the drug pushers.

Basically the message that comes out of Hollywood is the viewpoint of the people who are drawn to it. Want to know why there are so many stories about drug dealers? Cause so much drug dealing goes on. Want to know why there are so many movies that feature the sickest kind of sex you can think of? That's what they like. Want to know why the movies all paint middle America as this vast wasteland of morons, nonthinkers, and hateful people? That's how they see us.

This is absurdly oversimplified, of course. There are good people in Hollywood, just like everywhere else. But I always tend to go for the simple explanations. They do these kinds of movies because that's what they like, and that's how they see things.

10 posted on 02/14/2006 6:54:38 PM PST by Richard Kimball
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To: EveningStar

A right turn on Sunset from where?


11 posted on 02/14/2006 6:56:50 PM PST by Cinnamon Girl (OMGIIHIHOIIC ping list)
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To: Cinnamon Girl

Heck. I don't know. I live in OC. ~:D


12 posted on 02/14/2006 7:17:23 PM PST by EveningStar
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To: EveningStar

The way to take Hollywood BACK is to regain it the way the left took it over. Expose the blacklist.

AND expose the Red ties to Hollywood of old.



13 posted on 02/14/2006 7:24:16 PM PST by weegee (We are all Danes now.)
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To: weegee
expose the Red ties to Hollywood of old

Already been done. Over and over and over.

14 posted on 02/14/2006 7:25:41 PM PST by EveningStar
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To: manglor; JLO; Alamo-Girl; Mia T; All

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I personally will be watching closely for MEL's next Motion Picture,

(MEL, who is a clear student of Our Lady of FATIMA's sacred 3rd Secret prediction about the End of the Earth)

...titled "APOCALYPTO" due out this summer.

...A story about a highly evolved & mysterious Mayan civilization whose stellar calendar ended in the year...

...2012..!!!

http://www.aztlan.net/apocalypto.htm


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15 posted on 02/14/2006 7:32:21 PM PST by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: Richard Kimball

Yours are very interesting ideas, R. You could well be right. The same crowd also gravitates to the Left, including the Democrat Party. I've been saying that the Democrat Party is the party of sociopaths and morons. We might also add the seriously delusional. It's the sociopaths, as you say preditors, who manipulate and exploit the morons and other assorted nuts who make up the rank and file of the Left.


16 posted on 02/14/2006 7:40:17 PM PST by Savage Beast (9/11 was never repeated--thanks to President Bush and his surveillance program.)
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To: Savage Beast

Bob Hope, Marlene Dietrich, Henry Fonda
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Henry Fonda...hmmm...you better rethink that....add Jimmy Stewart instead.


17 posted on 02/14/2006 7:43:31 PM PST by chasio649
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To: Savage Beast

Conservatives in Hollywood should ban together and out the leftists for blacklisting them. If it were an issue of race or sex or religion, we would have a strong lawsuit. They should be outed.


18 posted on 02/14/2006 7:47:11 PM PST by outofhere2
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To: The Fop

'Saving Private Ryan' trashes our Military?


19 posted on 02/14/2006 8:09:04 PM PST by Borges
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To: outofhere2

Political beliefs aren't a protected class though. Gender, Race and Religion are.


20 posted on 02/14/2006 8:10:36 PM PST by Borges
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To: EveningStar

Bruce Willis seems to be doing a lot for the cause.


21 posted on 02/14/2006 8:21:13 PM PST by jamesm51
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To: Savage Beast

Thanks. The thing that started me thinking about it was how movies such as Pleasantville (which I liked), The World According to Garp (hated), Edward Scissorhands (never could get through), The Last Picture Show (ultra-nihilistic), etc., had such a negative view of middle America. Then it hit me. If the actors and directors had liked middle America, they wouldn't have left.


22 posted on 02/14/2006 8:32:23 PM PST by Richard Kimball
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To: Richard Kimball
I don't think LPS scribe Larry Mcmurtry hates Middle America. He wrote Lonesome Dove. It's an elegy to the Death of the myth of the West. I wouldn't call it nihilistic.
23 posted on 02/14/2006 8:33:47 PM PST by Borges
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To: Borges; The Fop
I think he was painting with a little bit of a broad brush. Saving Private Ryan doesn't trash the military, and I can't think of any Spielberg movies offhand, that do. I haven't seen Munich, but if Spielberg is so convinced that the Mossad and the terrorists in Munich are morally equivalent, maybe he should go spend some time with each. Oh, that's right. Hamas would kill him simply for being Jewish. Guess he should schedule the meeting with the Mossad first. In Schindler's List, he played fast and loose with the facts. Schindler sneaked weapons into the Jews, and they were better armed and outnumbered the guards that were supposed to kill them. He also left out a significant fact about the "Night of Broken Glass." While it's true that this marked the beginning of the actual rounding up of the Jews, it was also a test run. The Nazis thought the Jews had to know what was planned for them, and that they had planned an armed resistance. The Nazis expected the Jews to have stockpiles of weapons, and for rounding them up to be a difficult military operation, involving door to door fighting and significant losses. When, on the "Night of Broken Glass", they found nothing but a couple of rusty revolvers and rifles, none of which were used, they began the sweep in earnest. Spielberg left these points out because they didn't fit in with his personal vision of an unarmed citizenry is a safe citizenry. Why do Jews in Israel carry weapons? After the Holocaust, their mantra was, "Never again." What they meant was that they would never again be led like lambs to slaughter because they couldn't defend themselves.

Also, though, even movies that don't trash the military are a little hard to watch, sometimes. Blackhawk Down is very difficult for me to watch, although I think it's a brilliant movie. The concept of Hollywood trashing our military, I think, really goes back to the eighties and MASH. MASH was kind of the template. Everyone who was patriotic was a moron or a flake. Hawkeye made his famous speech about how we were fighting for the Koreans right to have a heart attack while planning to stab their boss in the back. Fop painted with a broad brush, but his overall criticism is valid.

24 posted on 02/14/2006 8:59:49 PM PST by Richard Kimball
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To: Richard Kimball
All dramatizations of historical events play fast and loose with the facts. From Shakespeare on down. In any case Munich doesn't make the case that the Mossad are equivalent to the terrorists. Nothing of the sort. But I was referring specifically to the assertion that one of the American filmmakers most respectful of the Military, he had them flown in to see the premier of War of the Worlds (a film which shows them as the primary force for order and stability) makes films that 'trash the military'.
25 posted on 02/14/2006 9:03:43 PM PST by Borges
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To: Richard Kimball
Also Schindler's List doesn't dramatize the 'Night of Broken Glass' at all. Maybe the book does but I have yet to read it. You're thinking of the liquidation of the Warsaw Ghetto scene which took place a few years later.
26 posted on 02/14/2006 9:06:10 PM PST by Borges
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To: Borges

I admit I didn't see it, but I've read mixed things about it. Some said that it didn't trash the soldiers, but it trashed the military leaders.

Either way, Spielberg's a wet noodle.


27 posted on 02/14/2006 9:23:10 PM PST by The Fop (They attacked 2 of America's main arteries, so we invaded the heart of Arabia. It's that simple)
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To: The Fop

It's been recognized by many as one of the most pro Military films of the modern filmmaking Era (post mid 1960s). If someone who has seen it agrees with the assesment you've heard about it I'd love to hear it.


28 posted on 02/14/2006 9:25:34 PM PST by Borges
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To: The Fop
There were tons of patriotic WWII movies

Most of which s-cked and WERE laughable! The same can be said of many more recent war films however (Born on the Fourth of July comes to mind).

The best war films are either not directly about war (ie Apocalypse Now) or those that don't hide the grittier aspects of war while not making knee jerk statements either way (We Were Soldiers comes to mind). Those WWII movies with the Andrews Sisters or John Wayne had laughable scripts and were as believable as the Wizard of Oz.

29 posted on 02/14/2006 9:26:55 PM PST by Clemenza (I saw the best minds of my generation destroyed by madness, starving hysterical naked...)
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To: Borges

I've heard a lot of good things about Lonesome Dove, but haven't seen it. McMurtry won a Golden Globe for writing the screenplay to Brokeback Mountain, so I tend to be a little skeptical of him. I haven't read the book, but here was my take on the movie: Peter Bogdanovich was the director, and in an interview stated that the reason he filmed the movie in black and white was because the landscape in west Texas where he was filming was too beautiful and colorful. He wanted a depressing, lost look to the movie. Everyone in the movie was miserable, until one of the high school boys has an affair with the coaches wife. During the affair, they are blissfully happy. When he ends the affair, the joy leaves. The only grounded character in the movie, Ben Johnson as Sam, dies of a heart attack while the lead characters are out of town for a week and is buried before they get back. A retarded kid who spends his days sweeping the dirt street gets hit by a car and killed, and the only entertainment in the entire town, the picture show, shuts down. It seemed pretty nihilistic to me, and painted small town Texas as a place you wanted to escape from. Nobody went hunting, learned to run cattle, enjoyed playing on the high school sports team, or saw any kind of future for themselves. It, along with the movie Carnal Knowledge, was also one of the early movies to turn sexual morality on it's head. The girl who wouldn't have sex with one of the high school boys is portrayed negatively. The thirty-something wife who has an extramarital affair with one of her husband's students is portrayed positively. It was kind of the changeover from "nice girls don't" to "girls who don't are vindictive, angry b*ll busters."


30 posted on 02/14/2006 9:28:09 PM PST by Richard Kimball
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To: Clemenza

John Ford's 'They Were Expendeable' with Wayne was quite good though.


31 posted on 02/14/2006 9:30:18 PM PST by Borges
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To: Borges

Wayne was always at his best when he worked with John Ford. Preferred the Duke out on the range rather than on the battlefields or Asia and Europe.


32 posted on 02/14/2006 9:32:07 PM PST by Clemenza (I saw the best minds of my generation destroyed by madness, starving hysterical naked...)
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To: Borges
Like I said, I haven't seen Munich, and don't intend to, but I have read some of Spielberg's comments on it, and it seemed to me that he made very much a moral equivalence. Since you've seen it, I'll certainly yield to your take on it. I agree with you that Spielberg has never been negative about the US military that I've noticed, and would also point out that although Tom Hanks is a lefty, he has never, to my knowledge, said anything negative about the US, and has been a big booster of the space program, and spent quite a bit of time helping to raise funds for a WWII memorial.
33 posted on 02/14/2006 9:33:50 PM PST by Richard Kimball
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To: Richard Kimball

Well as I said it was an exercise in delfating the old Hollywood myths (The myth of the West, of idyllic small town life). It was made in the first flush of freedom from the Production Code that had been in place from the mid 30s to the mid 60s. Filmmakers were reveling in their lack of restraints. It got old fast of course. The person metaphor for the loss of those old verities in the film was that downbeat old theater showing Red River (possibly the best Western ever made). Carnal Knowledge however is nihlistic. Or at least misanthropic. Then again the characters' actions and lifestyles don't lead to very satisfying lives in the end.


34 posted on 02/14/2006 9:33:58 PM PST by Borges
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To: Richard Kimball

I didn't like Munich that much but for different reasons (pacing, acting, narrative construction). It's a muddled and dreary film.


35 posted on 02/14/2006 9:35:51 PM PST by Borges
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To: The Fop

The opening sequence of Saving Private Ryan, the storming of the beaches, is probably one of the most realistic and nail-biting action sequences ever filmed. Absolutely brilliant. I thought the plot dragged a little in places, but his essential point of the movie, as at the end, he panned over the graves of the US soldiers, was that those are real men under there. Men who had lives back home, and plans for after the war, but never went back home. If you haven't seen the movie, I won't spoil it by revealing the way he gets this point across, but it's IMHO, his best movie, and one of the best war movies ever made. It's a brilliant movie, and well worth watching.


36 posted on 02/14/2006 9:38:51 PM PST by Richard Kimball
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To: Borges

I think that's a very fair assessment. You can tell from watching the movie that it is something special, but I don't think it's held up particularly well. FWIW, it's apparent to me that you know your movies. I'm going to start looking for your posts on the movie threads.


37 posted on 02/14/2006 9:44:27 PM PST by Richard Kimball
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To: EveningStar

Fight back: file sharing!


38 posted on 02/15/2006 7:11:15 AM PST by BJClinton (Let slip the Viking Kittens!)
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To: ALOHA RONNIE

Thanks for the ping!


39 posted on 02/15/2006 8:55:39 AM PST by Alamo-Girl
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